Rafa to Juve link denied

[dee]

Rafa Benitez's agent has played down reports his client is being lined up to replace Ciro Ferrara as Juventus coach.

Both men have come under pressure and criticism at their present employers, with Juventus' struggles this season in many senses echoing Liverpool's.

The Old Lady were expected to mount a title tilt this term but like Liverpool are badly off the pace as they currently sit in sixth place.

A 2-1 defeat to Roma at the weekend has only increased the pressure on Ferrrara, with many speculating he is working on borrowed time in Turin.

Benitez is known to be admired in the Juventus boardroom but his agent, Manuel Garcia Quilon, is loath to be drawn into hypothetical scenarios.

On the contrary he claims Benitez is very much committed to Anfield, while at the same time conceding things can change very quickly in football.

"This hypothesis is not correct because Rafa has a four-year contract with the Reds. His figure is very important there, the idols of the fans are Gerrard, Torres and Benitez," he told calciomercato.it.

"At Juventus next summer? I don't know what can happen between now and four to five months.

"In football, everything changes very quickly, but the basic principle is that Rafa has another four-year contract with Liverpool."

 

[zlatan18]

Please take him 🙂

 

[ZhaoYun]

Together with Lucas+Insua+Kuyt

 

[MaBigTip]

[quote author=ZhaoYun link=topic=38644.msg1042829#msg1042829 date=1264477340]
Together with Lucas+Insua+Kuyt
[/quote]
For mass amounts of money?

Rafa has done real good for the health of the club but he isn't worth the pay day we need.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=ZhaoYun link=topic=38644.msg1042829#msg1042829 date=1264477340]
Together with Lucas+Insua+Kuyt
[/quote]

Why stop at three? Why not including Torres, Reina, Reira, Ngog, Yossi, Babel, Aurelio, Degen and all those foreigners?

 

[Fabio]

...................ok......

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=ZhaoYun link=topic=38644.msg1042829#msg1042829 date=1264477340]
Together with Lucas+Insua+Kuyt
[/quote]

Kuyt should barely be one of the first names out the door. Go find me a player in his position who'll score more goals and offer more assists, who'll work his arse off for the team and score the occasional crucial goal in big games.

No?

Exactly. Whether people feel he's good enough to play every week is irrelevant, he's been one of our best players over the last two years and deserves a place in the squad of a top side. Only a fucking mentalist would say otherwise.

And for the good he has shown to the club, as a professional on and off the pitch and to life in general, he deserves a bit more respect too.

 

[DHSC]

ZhaoYun and Zlatan18 do come up with alot of nonsense.

 

[Y1]

Is it because their nick starts with Z?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

A squad place for Kuyt? Surely that's what everyone thinks is right. It's only a mentalist who thinks he should be undroppable ...

 

[DHSC]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38644.msg1042858#msg1042858 date=1264493153]
A squad place for Kuyt? Surely that's what everyone thinks is right. It's only a mentalist who thinks he should be undroppable ...
[/quote]

We wouldn't want it to be another Kuyt debate again but my view is I wouldn't mind Dirk starting most games as there is no one better on the right that we have. However, what would be even more ideal is that this is balanced with a world class attacking midfielder on the left.

 

[TheBunnyman]

This could be the best solution for everyone: Rafa gets a job at another big European club; Liverpool get a new manager without having to pay off the old one; we part ways without rancour, with gratitude and respect, having (hopefully) qualified for next year's CL.

The Guardian says that Hiddink is being touted in all the Italian papers as Rafa's successor. We could do much worse, obviously, but I'm not sure he'd be my first choice.

 

[manwithnoname]

Juve are desperate to get in a big name manager, but any fool could have told them that Ranieri wasn't going to work, and Ciro seemed another panic decision

Benitez has had great success in taking established, decent squads and winning trophies with them. He's done it at Valencia and at Liverpool.

He has failed miserably in his attempts to ever build a trophy-winning squad of his own, but if Juve want a manager to get the very best out of what he inherits, then he's an obvious choice

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38644.msg1042858#msg1042858 date=1264493153]
A squad place for Kuyt? Surely that's what everyone thinks is right. It's only a mentalist who thinks he should be undroppable ...
[/quote]

No one said he was undroppable either, infact, it was me you just quoted regarding a squad place. This whole Kuyt thing seems to be stemming from the fact that a few on here have given Yossi stick in the past and you seem to use Kuyt as some kind of poor comparison, I think both at the very least are tremendous squad players capable of offering alot to a top team, and statistically for both, can anyone justifiably argue otherwise?

I don't know why you have to jump on the offensive about Kuyt all the time, no one said he was untouchable.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38644.msg1042865#msg1042865 date=1264495257]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38644.msg1042858#msg1042858 date=1264493153]
A squad place for Kuyt? Surely that's what everyone thinks is right. It's only a mentalist who thinks he should be undroppable ...
[/quote]

No one said he was undroppable either, infact, it was me you just quoted regarding a squad place. This whole Kuyt thing seems to be stemming from the fact that a few on here have given Yossi stick in the past and you seem to use Kuyt as some kind of poor comparison, I think both at the very least are tremendous squad players capable of offering alot to a top team, and statistically for both, can anyone justifiably argue otherwise?

I don't know why you have to jump on the offensive about Kuyt all the time, no one said he was untouchable.
[/quote]

We both agree on Yossi & Kuyt - they both are excellents squad players, and when on form - are excellent 1st team contributors (i'd say Kuyt far more than Yossi, as he does it far more).

As DHSC said - let's not get into it - I just find the defense of him as extreme as the attacks on him (which I was a part of for a while, but have accepted a long time ago that he is a valuable member of our squad).

 

[jexykrodic]

I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38644.msg1042871#msg1042871 date=1264496415]
I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.
[/quote]Im fairly sure we could find SOME other manager who could have us out of every competition by January and scrapping around in the top 7. I know I know, it's a huuuuge ask, but I'm positive that we can entice someone in to replicate what Rafa's doing. Play shit football, scrap for 4th..........anyone?

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Hughes? He could defo do all that Oncy.

 

[Avmenon]

Bet he'd be cheaper too.

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38644.msg1042855#msg1042855 date=1264492573]
[quote author=ZhaoYun link=topic=38644.msg1042829#msg1042829 date=1264477340]
Together with Lucas+Insua+Kuyt
[/quote]

Kuyt should barely be one of the first names out the door. Go find me a player in his position who'll score more goals and offer more assists, who'll work his arse off for the team and score the occasional crucial goal in big games.

No?

Exactly. Whether people feel he's good enough to play every week is irrelevant, he's been one of our best players over the last two years and deserves a place in the squad of a top side. Only a fucking mentalist would say otherwise.

And for the good he has shown to the club, as a professional on and off the pitch and to life in general, he deserves a bit more respect too.
[/quote]

Sadly there are plenty of mentalists...

 

[Squiggles]

They'll always be plenty of takers for Benitez. Nobody else, Capello & Mourinho aside, has his kind or record - which is something we shouldn't easily forget when considering replacing him.

Whether he's the man to take us forward, I'm not so sure. But as said previously, I'd give him another season if we made the CL this year.

 

[rubans]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1042862#msg1042862 date=1264494717]
This could be the best solution for everyone: Rafa gets a job at another big European club; Liverpool get a new manager without having to pay off the old one; we part ways without rancour, with gratitude and respect, having (hopefully) qualified for next year's CL.

The Guardian says that Hiddink is being touted in all the Italian papers as Rafa's successor. We could do much worse, obviously, but I'm not sure he'd be my first choice.

[/quote]
Hiddinik will cost more, apparently he wants 3 million for half a season at Juventus. Not sure we can really afford Hiddink. Also Hiddink does strike me as a unlucky manager, now I know that may not be important but throughout his career does seem to have had some bad luck.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1042881#msg1042881 date=1264498691]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38644.msg1042871#msg1042871 date=1264496415]
I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.
[/quote]Im fairly sure we could find SOME other manager who could have us out of every competition by January and scrapping around in the top 7. I know I know, it's a huuuuge ask, but I'm positive that we can entice someone in to replicate what Rafa's doing. Play shit football, scrap for 4th..........anyone?
[/quote]

That may be, but who would we get to help us achieve our real objectives?

Lippi, Capello and Mourinho are largely out of reach, whilst Hiddink would only be a short-term solution. That would leave us having take a punt on someone. It's a very difficult decision.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=38644.msg1042909#msg1042909 date=1264503263]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1042881#msg1042881 date=1264498691]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38644.msg1042871#msg1042871 date=1264496415]
I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.
[/quote]Im fairly sure we could find SOME other manager who could have us out of every competition by January and scrapping around in the top 7. I know I know, it's a huuuuge ask, but I'm positive that we can entice someone in to replicate what Rafa's doing. Play shit football, scrap for 4th..........anyone?
[/quote]

That may be, but who would we get to help us achieve our real objectives?

Lippi, Capello and Mourinho are largely out of reach, whilst Hiddink would only be a short-term solution. That would leave us having take a punt on someone. It's a very difficult decision.
[/quote]

Hiddink would only be a short-term solution? He's 63 - five years younger than Ferguson. And five years is about as long as any of our managers have lasted since Paisley.

 

[rubans]

Is Hiddink the right man anyway for the job?
Is he capable of doing a long term job at club level, LFC will test him to the limit and with no cash available ( most likely), can he do any better than Rafa?

 

[Asbo]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1042881#msg1042881 date=1264498691]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38644.msg1042871#msg1042871 date=1264496415]
I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.
[/quote]Im fairly sure we could find SOME other manager who could have us out of every competition by January and scrapping around in the top 7. I know I know, it's a huuuuge ask, but I'm positive that we can entice someone in to replicate what Rafa's doing. Play shit football, scrap for 4th..........anyone?
[/quote]

Fucking hell a selective memory or what?

This is his one bad season since he joined but nevermind getting to two European Cup finals and the League Cup Finaland the FA Cup final, the Goldfish on here can't remember more than 5 minutes ago!

Lasts Seasons 2nd by 4 fucking points is totally forgotten?

Arsenals Season was over a month ago, and now there sitting on top of the League, if they can do it I'm damn sure we can get a run together too, after all on average WE have finished higeher than them in Rafa's reign, not to mention won more than them in that time too!!

 

[keniget]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1042948#msg1042948 date=1264506679]
Hiddink would only be a short-term solution? He's 63 - five years younger than Ferguson. And five years is about as long as any of our managers have lasted since Paisley.
[/quote]

Do you think he'd settle down at Liverpool for five years?

 

[Delinquent]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1042948#msg1042948 date=1264506679]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38644.msg1042909#msg1042909 date=1264503263]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1042881#msg1042881 date=1264498691]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38644.msg1042871#msg1042871 date=1264496415]
I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.
[/quote]Im fairly sure we could find SOME other manager who could have us out of every competition by January and scrapping around in the top 7. I know I know, it's a huuuuge ask, but I'm positive that we can entice someone in to replicate what Rafa's doing. Play shit football, scrap for 4th..........anyone?
[/quote]

That may be, but who would we get to help us achieve our real objectives?

Lippi, Capello and Mourinho are largely out of reach, whilst Hiddink would only be a short-term solution. That would leave us having take a punt on someone. It's a very difficult decision.
[/quote]

Hiddink would only be a short-term solution? He's 63 - five years younger than Ferguson. And five years is about as long as any of our managers have lasted since Paisley.
[/quote]

That's what I was thinking.

Why does everyone assume that Hiddink's gonna retire/die soon? Surely he knows his fitness better than anybody? If he's in the market for a job at a top club, I suspect he'd be up for a project.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38644.msg1042981#msg1042981 date=1264510532]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1042881#msg1042881 date=1264498691]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38644.msg1042871#msg1042871 date=1264496415]
I'd think most top European clubs would embrace Rafa as Manager, Juve's gain would be our loss.

There are very few Managers in his league. I think it'd be tough to replace him given some of the implied financial constraints we often see aired in the Press.

Hopefully this is nothing more than a rumour.
[/quote]Im fairly sure we could find SOME other manager who could have us out of every competition by January and scrapping around in the top 7. I know I know, it's a huuuuge ask, but I'm positive that we can entice someone in to replicate what Rafa's doing. Play shit football, scrap for 4th..........anyone?
[/quote]

Fucking hell a selective memory or what?

This is his one bad season since he joined but nevermind getting to two European Cup finals and the League Cup Finaland the FA Cup final, the Goldfish on here can't remember more than 5 minutes ago!

Lasts Seasons 2nd by 4 fucking points is totally forgotten?

Arsenals Season was over a month ago, and now there sitting on top of the League, if they can do it I'm damn sure we can get a run together too, after all on average WE have finished higeher than them in Rafa's reign, not to mention won more than them in that time too!!


[/quote]oh unclench. I was just taking the piss.