Quick Poll: Where does Liverpools biggest Problem Lie ?
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The owners, definitely. Then the new owners would come in and replace Benitez, and the new manager would put Lucas on the bench or the transfer list.
Start at the top and work our way down.
Start at the top and work our way down.
it has to be the owners.
there's instability at the club that goes way beyond the manager, who has, let's face it, had more good seasons than bad seasons.
there's instability at the club that goes way beyond the manager, who has, let's face it, had more good seasons than bad seasons.
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Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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I voted for the Yanks to go first.
I have lost faith in Rafa to lead us to the promised land but under the current owners I doubt if any manager would be able to do so.
They have to go first and foremost.
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Yep. Although I do think other top managers wouldn't have us fall out of the title race so soon.
Negative tactics and poor players is the reason we didn't get maximum points at Stoke, Blackburn, Portsmouth and Wolves.. which would have us at 50points and still in the title race. Rafa is really underachieving with the players he has at his disposal. There's really no excuse as to why we're only in the hunt for one trophy.
I voted for the Yanks to go first.
I have lost faith in Rafa to lead us to the promised land but under the current owners I doubt if any manager would be able to do so.
They have to go first and foremost.
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Yep. Although I do think other top managers wouldn't have us fall out of the title race so soon.
Negative tactics and poor players is the reason we didn't get maximum points at Stoke, Blackburn, Portsmouth and Wolves.. which would have us at 50points and still in the title race. Rafa is really underachieving with the players he has at his disposal. There's really no excuse as to why we're only in the hunt for one trophy.
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Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
Has to be the owners.
It's impossible to blame Lucas as he doesn't pick the team. Our current on-field crisis is caused by Rafa for his continual use of an obviously limited player in a pivotal role.
I would still rather a change of owners in preference to a change of manager as, long term, they will do us more harm than Rafa.
I would still rather a change of owners in preference to a change of manager as, long term, they will do us more harm than Rafa.
Can't we blame the credit crunch like the yanks did?
Owners 100%, shabby to say the least. Rafa for all his faults, and he does have some, IMO his positives far outweigh the negatives and he has been hamstrung dealing with two complete lowlifes running the big picture for a while now.
In as much as many people doubt Rafa Hate Rafa even and want him gone ASAP, IMO they are wrong (not too mention doolally) and the problem is with the owners.
I just was looking in the newspapers and it said in a side heading on the main page "americans must find 100M or risk..." and even though it was only half a headline visible i knew it was about GnH. Bad news all fucking day long.
In as much as many people doubt Rafa Hate Rafa even and want him gone ASAP, IMO they are wrong (not too mention doolally) and the problem is with the owners.
I just was looking in the newspapers and it said in a side heading on the main page "americans must find 100M or risk..." and even though it was only half a headline visible i knew it was about GnH. Bad news all fucking day long.
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Owners 100%, shabby to say the least. Rafa for all his faults, and he does have some, IMO his positives far outweigh the negatives and he has been hamstrung dealing with two complete lowlifes running the big picture for a while now.
In as much as many people doubt Rafa Hate Rafa even and want him gone ASAP, IMO they are wrong (not too mention doolally) and the problem is with the owners.
I just was looking in the newspapers and it said in a side heading on the main page "americans must find 100M or risk..." and even though it was only half a headline visible i knew it was about GnH. Bad news all fucking day long.
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'....or risk losing the club', it said. That's good news, mate.
Owners 100%, shabby to say the least. Rafa for all his faults, and he does have some, IMO his positives far outweigh the negatives and he has been hamstrung dealing with two complete lowlifes running the big picture for a while now.
In as much as many people doubt Rafa Hate Rafa even and want him gone ASAP, IMO they are wrong (not too mention doolally) and the problem is with the owners.
I just was looking in the newspapers and it said in a side heading on the main page "americans must find 100M or risk..." and even though it was only half a headline visible i knew it was about GnH. Bad news all fucking day long.
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'....or risk losing the club', it said. That's good news, mate.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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Owners 100%, shabby to say the least. Rafa for all his faults, and he does have some, IMO his positives far outweigh the negatives and he has been hamstrung dealing with two complete lowlifes running the big picture for a while now.
In as much as many people doubt Rafa Hate Rafa even and want him gone ASAP, IMO they are wrong (not too mention doolally) and the problem is with the owners.
I just was looking in the newspapers and it said in a side heading on the main page "americans must find 100M or risk..." and even though it was only half a headline visible i knew it was about GnH. Bad news all fucking day long.
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'....or risk losing the club', it said. That's good news, mate.
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to who?? who would be willing to take on the debts? it would be a disaster being "repossesed", i do detest the cunts but being owned as a chitty in the RBS is hardly better i imagine.
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Owners 100%, shabby to say the least. Rafa for all his faults, and he does have some, IMO his positives far outweigh the negatives and he has been hamstrung dealing with two complete lowlifes running the big picture for a while now.
In as much as many people doubt Rafa Hate Rafa even and want him gone ASAP, IMO they are wrong (not too mention doolally) and the problem is with the owners.
I just was looking in the newspapers and it said in a side heading on the main page "americans must find 100M or risk..." and even though it was only half a headline visible i knew it was about GnH. Bad news all fucking day long.
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'....or risk losing the club', it said. That's good news, mate.
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to who?? who would be willing to take on the debts? it would be a disaster being "repossesed", i do detest the cunts but being owned as a chitty in the RBS is hardly better i imagine.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
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He was indeed KK, i just disagreed with him is all.
Just read that article on the Glazers in the Times today..... sounds nasty....
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
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He was indeed KK, i just disagreed with him is all.
Just read that article on the Glazers in the Times today..... sounds nasty....
I actually think that Rafa has improved the squad a lot from the one he inherited, however his cautiousness added to the long list of injuries this season, have combined to leave us in our current situation.
I still vote the yanks as number one though, because they are a pair of liars, and you cant run anything successfully if the men at the top are liars.
I still vote the yanks as number one though, because they are a pair of liars, and you cant run anything successfully if the men at the top are liars.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
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Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
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I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
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Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
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Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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Rafa was spending money strengthening the Squad, and people moaned "he should have bought one or 2 marquee signings"
So he buys Englands best Right Back and the 'Marquee sining' is out most of the season injured.
Now people moan "He should have a better squad"
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
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I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
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Rafa was spending money strengthening the Squad, and people moaned "he should have bought one or 2 marquee signings"
So he buys Englands best Right Back and the 'Marquee sining' is out most of the season injured.
Now people moan "He should have a better squad"
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[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=38772.msg1048545#msg1048545 date=1265199361]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048540#msg1048540 date=1265198952]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[/quote]
We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[/quote]
I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
[/quote]
Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
[/quote]
Another 'non-point'.*sigh*
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048546#msg1048546 date=1265199730]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=38772.msg1048545#msg1048545 date=1265199361]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048540#msg1048540 date=1265198952]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[/quote]
We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[/quote]
I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
[/quote]
Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
[/quote]
Another 'non-point'.*sigh*
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38772.msg1048562#msg1048562 date=1265200868]
I actually think that Rafa has improved the squad a lot from the one he inherited, however his cautiousness added to the long list of injuries this season, have combined to leave us in our current situation.
I still vote the yanks as number one though, because they are a pair of liars, and you cant run anything successfully if the men at the top are liars.
[/quote]
I agree with that and would add Rafa has failed to get the best out the players he has and his refusal to blood promising young players is frustrating. The problem starts at the top though it's plainly obvious.
I actually think that Rafa has improved the squad a lot from the one he inherited, however his cautiousness added to the long list of injuries this season, have combined to leave us in our current situation.
I still vote the yanks as number one though, because they are a pair of liars, and you cant run anything successfully if the men at the top are liars.
[/quote]
I agree with that and would add Rafa has failed to get the best out the players he has and his refusal to blood promising young players is frustrating. The problem starts at the top though it's plainly obvious.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38772.msg1048574#msg1048574 date=1265202294]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38772.msg1048562#msg1048562 date=1265200868]
I actually think that Rafa has improved the squad a lot from the one he inherited, however his cautiousness added to the long list of injuries this season, have combined to leave us in our current situation.
I still vote the yanks as number one though, because they are a pair of liars, and you cant run anything successfully if the men at the top are liars.
[/quote]
I agree with that and would add Rafa has failed to get the best out the players he has and his refusal to blood promising young players is frustrating. The problem starts at the top though it's plainly obvious.
[/quote]
I think this would have been the season the youngers could have been introduced, if it wasn't for the injuries and the bad bad run and lack of confidence.
2 or 3 nil up and bring them on for 20 odd minuets would have been great.
Even so we have seen them at least with Kelly Darby Patecho and Spearing all featuring, not to mention the 'other 2' Insua and Ngog playing a bit more than they should really.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38772.msg1048562#msg1048562 date=1265200868]
I actually think that Rafa has improved the squad a lot from the one he inherited, however his cautiousness added to the long list of injuries this season, have combined to leave us in our current situation.
I still vote the yanks as number one though, because they are a pair of liars, and you cant run anything successfully if the men at the top are liars.
[/quote]
I agree with that and would add Rafa has failed to get the best out the players he has and his refusal to blood promising young players is frustrating. The problem starts at the top though it's plainly obvious.
[/quote]
I think this would have been the season the youngers could have been introduced, if it wasn't for the injuries and the bad bad run and lack of confidence.
2 or 3 nil up and bring them on for 20 odd minuets would have been great.
Even so we have seen them at least with Kelly Darby Patecho and Spearing all featuring, not to mention the 'other 2' Insua and Ngog playing a bit more than they should really.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048572#msg1048572 date=1265202103]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048564#msg1048564 date=1265201172]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048546#msg1048546 date=1265199730]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=38772.msg1048545#msg1048545 date=1265199361]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048540#msg1048540 date=1265198952]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[/quote]
We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[/quote]
I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
[/quote]
Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
[/quote]
Another 'non-point'.*sigh*
[/quote]
Actually it was a valid point
Getting money back on poor signings is a good thing, but if you do so year after year its a worry because you shouldn't need to.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048564#msg1048564 date=1265201172]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048546#msg1048546 date=1265199730]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=38772.msg1048545#msg1048545 date=1265199361]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048540#msg1048540 date=1265198952]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[/quote]
We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[/quote]
I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
[/quote]
Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
[/quote]
Another 'non-point'.*sigh*
[/quote]
Actually it was a valid point
Getting money back on poor signings is a good thing, but if you do so year after year its a worry because you shouldn't need to.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38772.msg1048579#msg1048579 date=1265202781]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048572#msg1048572 date=1265202103]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048564#msg1048564 date=1265201172]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048546#msg1048546 date=1265199730]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=38772.msg1048545#msg1048545 date=1265199361]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048540#msg1048540 date=1265198952]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[/quote]
We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[/quote]
I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
[/quote]
Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
[/quote]
Another 'non-point'.*sigh*
[/quote]
Actually it was a valid point
Getting money back on poor signings is a good thing, but if you do so year after year its a worry because you shouldn't need to.
[/quote]
We need to because we have to sell to buy. That should always be a worry
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048572#msg1048572 date=1265202103]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048564#msg1048564 date=1265201172]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048546#msg1048546 date=1265199730]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=38772.msg1048545#msg1048545 date=1265199361]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048540#msg1048540 date=1265198952]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38772.msg1048524#msg1048524 date=1265198386]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38772.msg1048509#msg1048509 date=1265197460]
Yeah, the owners are the deepest problem at the club, but it certainly shouldn't deter from the glaring mistakes made outside their remit.
Plenty of managers would have built a better squad with the money given to Benitez.
[/quote]
Which managers are these then? Would they have won the Champions League too? Look at the wage bill and transfer budget of The teams that have won the league in the last 5 years and compare that to Rafa's spending of £16m net per season.
The fact that we came 2nd last year was an immense achievement and just like you believe 'plenty of managers' would have built a better squad, by that you must have meant they would have won the league, I believe there are few managers in world football that could have done better.
[/quote]
I was talking about building a squad. The success in 2005 - 5 years ago - has nothing to do our problems today. And having a better squad doesn't instantly mean I "expect" the league, so stop talking shit.
We've spent hundreds of millions of pounds and the squad shouldn't be this weak. If you can't agree with that fundamental fact, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
[/quote]
We have not spent hundreds of millions of pounds improving the team during Rafa's reign, is there sucha thing as a mis-fact??
Don't worry though i'm glad you are not going to bother to convince me squiggs.
See previous post for explanation.
[/quote]
I think he was referring to me. He's neglected the fact that Rafa has also recouped millions of pounds at the same time, another fundamental fact. I'm glad he wont waste his time on me though.
[/quote]
Great, we recoup the fees of players too shit to play for Liverpool.
Nice one, boss.
[/quote]
Another 'non-point'.*sigh*
[/quote]
Actually it was a valid point
Getting money back on poor signings is a good thing, but if you do so year after year its a worry because you shouldn't need to.
[/quote]
We need to because we have to sell to buy. That should always be a worry
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