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I dont really get the Guardiola hate. He's clearly a brilliant manager with fantastic results.
His teams also play positive entertaining football unlike the other bellend in Manchester.
He might have had great resources at his disposal but wouldnt you expect that at Barcelona, Bayern and City.
Why shouldnt he go to one of the best clubs in each league when he cleary is one of the best managers? Most people in that position would do exactly the same. It doesnt question his quality for me.
I'm impressed with how quickly City have adapted to his style and tactics. Those first 40 mins against Utd was insanely good.
Think Mourinho has spent about 400 mill euros more than him in total during their careers. To put things into perspective.
His teams also play positive entertaining football unlike the other bellend in Manchester.
He might have had great resources at his disposal but wouldnt you expect that at Barcelona, Bayern and City.
Why shouldnt he go to one of the best clubs in each league when he cleary is one of the best managers? Most people in that position would do exactly the same. It doesnt question his quality for me.
I'm impressed with how quickly City have adapted to his style and tactics. Those first 40 mins against Utd was insanely good.
Think Mourinho has spent about 400 mill euros more than him in total during their careers. To put things into perspective.
I never used to mind Citeh fans either, until they got all the money and the big stadium and can't even fill it for CL games. They were wallowing around in the fourth division not long ago. The hubris and entitlement is staggering. Typical of new wave fans but even their old boys have fallen from it. No grace or humility or acknowledgement of their sheer luck.
These days my hatred for them has plateaued. I couldn't possibly get any more vitriotic towards them if I tried. I rather like bumping into Spurs fans now. Plant a 'fake' sideways compliment to their team and sit back and watch them play out the most hilariously delusional fevered monologue you've ever seen.
Me - That Pochettino is alright isn't he
Spurs fan - Best manager in the league by miles. How he didn't win manager of the year is beyond me. Have you seen what he has done to Deli Ali? Did you see how quickly he learnt English? The guy is a genius. What about Harry Kane? Sounds Like Hurricane.... You know... Because he's a force of nature.....
Me - What do you think of Klopp
Spur Fan - Shit. A faliure wherever he's been
I guess I just despise stupid people and believe me Spurs fans are right up there with the dumbest mother fuckers that have ever walked the Earth. That coupled with the fact they can be a right nasty (and truthfully very snidey) bunch of cunts. Don't even get me started on the location of London there are based in. Yep all very hate-able.
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Here's some more fucking perspective. Mourinho joined a United side that has finished 7th, 4th and fifth in the last three seasons
City finished 4th, 2nd and first.
Guardiola has taken a squad that has been challenging and/or winning the title and spent 170m on it.
Before that he joined Bayern Munich, who had won the treble and had been league champions three years in succession
He takes the easiest jobs in the world at clubs with the biggest budgets and best teams, and makes Mourinho look like Red Adaire in comparison
Any cunt can win the title at Bayern, City or Barcelona
Oooooh you little scamp!
The last bit I don't really get. Are the fans supposed to apologise for getting a few quid and being able to compete with everyone else?
I know 3 Man City fans, two lads in work and my partners step dad. All 3 are sound and don't act any different than they did before. Realise not everyone is the same of course but I generally think they are a good bunch.
And as someone earlier said, they hate the other shower of cunts so that's good enough for me.
Take an impartial view for a moment. If Chelsea and City wouldn't have come along with all the wedge, do you think that the premier league would be better or worse?
This season we probably have about 6 teams that can realistically win it.
I'd say that if the money wouldn't have happened then it would be either Arsenal, the Manc Twats or us competing every season for the title (this is why I said impartial) since the early 00s. Which would by now result in a huge gap to the rest that it would be just as bad, if not worse than it is in Spain.
This season we probably have about 6 teams that can realistically win it.
I'd say that if the money wouldn't have happened then it would be either Arsenal, the Manc Twats or us competing every season for the title (this is why I said impartial) since the early 00s. Which would by now result in a huge gap to the rest that it would be just as bad, if not worse than it is in Spain.
Id like to be in a league in which Liverpool were more likely to win it
Is this a trick question?
Is this a trick question?
I don't mind City as a club and generally I've found their supporters to be decent folk and mindful of where they've come from. Chelsea are another matter though - awful from top to bottom.
As for whether their rise to prominence has been a good thing, I don't think so, no.
City are putting together a stable of clubs around the world to promote the "City franchise" and can do all sorts of deals with a free hand between them. Same thing applies to Red Bull with Salzburg and Leipzig according to the article posted by Rurik detailing why Leipzig are so hated in Germany. Okay, so there have always been "partnerships" between clubs but the intentions behind those and what we're seeing now are very different.
Chelsea over recent years have been hoovering up the best talent in the world and sending them out on loan - I think they've got like 30 odd players out on loan at the moment. City have started to do likewise. Again, we've always seen top clubs buying up the top talent but at such scale? I don't know.
Have PSG been good for the French league? They've brought some star power to the league, yeah, but it's going to be very difficult for any other club to enjoy any kind of sustained success unless they too get bought by someone willing to spend hundreds of millions on them.
These clubs are ruining the game, slowly but surely.
They should just hire any random cunt then. Would save millions in wages.
I really dont care if he takes the "easiest" jobs. Should he take the Hull job just to prove a point to you and some other fans about his ability?
He's a great manager and he's having an undeniably excellent impact on his team. But the extent of the fawning amongst the pundits is still premature. And some of it's just ridiculous - an example being his 'genius' and 'incredible attention to detail' for noting that his opponents in the last game jumped while standing as a defensive wall - loads of managers, with their video analysis staff, routinely identify that kind of thing on a weekly basis (e.g. Coutinho scoring by hitting it under a defensive wall last season). There's no need to pretend Guardiola is THAT different.
No. But it's hard to join in with the fawning eulogies when he's top of the league at the richest and most expensively assembled team in that particular league. Which he always is.
My antipathy is partly due to the fact that I also dislike Barcelona and always have
Dunno, I would rather sniff Pep's arse than Pellegrini's. If forced, obviously.
I dont get some of you regarding city... the points they have is exactly the same as last season after first 5 games...15. Dont think he has done anything special other than underestimate how tough this league is when he wiĺl face a team that gives a shit about their existence in the PL. So far his players are playing out of their skins in the belief that he is something special but when the body wont take it anymore then we will see how normal they become.
I like Pep and I think he'll build an absolute empire at City. His signings look to be very, very shrewd. As far as this season goes it'll be interesting to watch the two upcoming Barca games and see where they're at.
Plus he's a sexy bastard.
Plus he's a sexy bastard.
Shrewd kind of implies he got a good deal. I'd say "effective" moreso than "shrewd", since having limitless funds and using them can't by definition really be "shrewd".
nit has been picked. Carry on.
Another way to look at it is Mourinho took over a team which finished level on points with City and which had 350 million of investment since 2013 and further bought an additional 160 million of players and got tonked by a Guardiola team.
Guardiola did a phenomenal job at Barcelona. The success Barcelona had was directly related to his vision in terms of style of football and the way he integrated key players from youth team and first team together. But the key pieces were already there and credit to him, he took full advantage of it. Add to that, the impact and influence of his vision on the Barcelona dynasty after he left and the Spanish national team, make him among the most important managers of modern times.
Of course he definitely would not have been that successful without Messi scoring 75 goals and 100 assists per season but I dont think Messi would not have been that successful without Pep's influence. Look at Messi for Argentina and Barcelona. Every great coach had a great players supporting them. Rinus Michels wouldn't have been that successful without Cryuff or Van Basten.
I think the lack of "against all odds jaw dropping romantic achievement" in his CV will always be held against him. Klopp had it with Dortmund, Rafa with Istanbul and Valencia, Mourinho with Porto, Ferguson with Aberdeen. It is not his fault that he got offered the Barcelona job first and the Bayern job next. But a millionaire kid who turns his dads 500 million dollar company to a 50 billion dollar enterprise is always going to get less respect from the general public than a person who build a 10 billion enterprise starting from his garage.
Like you I also hate the sanctimonious "More than a club" bullshit and the Barca fawning as if they are some noble puritans. I also prefer managers who earn their way into a big job. I dont like Guardiola but I do respect his achievements. At the very least his team did humiliate Ferguson in the Champions League final, not once but twice.
Well I do have a 100% record as a manager in the league so it's a fair call.
This 100%
Yeah, I suppose you're right. I meant shrewd in terms of building his empire. The age of the players etc. He'll build something pretty mega there.
How's that?
Personally I don't particularly like Guardiola – he reminds me of one of those Spanish architects who build stunningly modern buildings at twice or thrice the original cost estimate, which then start disintegrating a few months after construction. I prefer more modest and stable structures. However, you can't deny that Guardiola is one of the leading managers of our time and all the rivals watch what he does very closely. And his insatiable drive to generate new ideas and experiment with tactics even sometimes to the detriment of the immediate results deserves some admiration. He certainly coaches the way he sees it and couldn't care less about what the media and the pundits think.
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Great thread this.
So what's the general consensus ? Yay or nay to Guardiola ?
So what's the general consensus ? Yay or nay to Guardiola ?
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