No, Sturridge and Fowler win for me.
Premier League Era... Pick Your Best Starting 11
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No, Sturridge and Fowler win for me.
Oh god no - no way does Owen get in ahead of Suarez - but he deserves to be mentioned in passing.
I’m still not ready to forget ‘Nando - he was a golden god and his leaving signal led the end of football…
…. until Lord Divock appeared.
He was… but like I said either build a team around him or don’t play him. And I’d much rather build a fluid attack with Suarez, Salah and Mane and I think Sturridge would be a better fit in that setup, he could sub for any of them without drop in quality. And God is God.
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I'd take an aging Barnes over aging Milner as a sub anytime of the day.
Studge over Torres ? Come on.
Studge over Torres ? Come on.
To be fair - Studge could play out wide, which is what a presume informed @rurikbird m’s thinking.
It’s Fowler or Torres, realistically, for that central spot for Suarez - I can see the attraction of Sturridge, even if it’s partly based on our recent love-in.
Paddy Berger would be another bench option that could have filled in a left sided forward attacking role or covered a left sided midfield role in a 3, as a “change option” to Alonso - pace, powerful shot and technically gifted.
Similar to Coutinho, I suppose.
Maxi Rodriguez is another very underrated potential bench option that could have slotted into multiple positions.
Gary Mac I’d have ahead of Milner as well - not even sure either get on the bench.
Sterling… and Raheem is another one in competition for the Mane role - even though he’s a rat and his “best performances” were for City.
Garcia…. Not so much
My gosh.
Maxi ? Sterling ? Berger ?
Over Barnes ?
Show some respect to a legend.
Maxi ? Sterling ? Berger ?
Over Barnes ?
Show some respect to a legend.
You gotta take anything Stevie says with a pinch of salt.
Could Barnes play full-back? I thought about Marcus Babbel or Carra as a sub for the FB positions, but went with Milner for his versatility and character. For me Barnes belongs to a different era; a lock for the all-time 11, but not PL 11.
Babbel’s game to trophy ratio must be insane
Sorry, but that’s disrespectful. I made my argument, feel free to disagree or explain why I think any particular point is wrong - but don’t hide behind memes or snarky comments. I still have no idea what your argument even is.
I agree with Barnes not being considered due to the fact that he belongs to a different era. If Barnes is being considered, then so should Rush as he also played for LFC in the PL. Both of them belong to an all-time 11.
Barnes was a shell of his former self during the PL era. Injuries had taken their toll on him, he lost his speed and wasn't effective on the wing anymore. The PL era Barnes was a midfielder, fantastic passer and dribbler still, and immense vision as well but he was slow and needed someone to cover for him defensively.
So to answer your question, no. Barnes was never a fullback imo.
He probably is the best left midfielder in LFC history maybe even the league but we're talking about the PL now so I'd maybe have him on the bench.
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Pegguy Arphexad has the record I think. 6 games for LFC, 6 trophies.
I’ll go for min 7 games played then so that Cunt isn’t counted.
Pre-Premier League Barnes replaces Mane in the forward line - absolutely - but the Barnes that could barely walk that became a holding midfielder after those injuries just before the start of the Premier League era???
Still technically gifted, but a shadow of the player he was and so, no, unless for sentimental reasons, that Barnes has no place in a Premier League era team.
The first 2-3 years of the Premier League, Barnes was still running down the wings doing the biz, while being gradually used as a playmaker-cum-holding midfielder by Uncle Roy.
I would not hesitate to put that Barnes over an aging Milner on the subs bench. Unless you're comparing aging Barnes vs young Milner, then common sense will surely pick Milner obv.
I would not hesitate to put that Barnes over an aging Milner on the subs bench. Unless you're comparing aging Barnes vs young Milner, then common sense will surely pick Milner obv.
I didn’t suggest putting Milner ahead of Barnes.
And was Barnes still playing on the wing?
Premier League started in ‘92 and Barnes was injured mostly throughout 91/92 and his real bad injury came just before Euro 92.
I had the chance to meet Barnes a few years back, when he was over in Australia to do a meet and greet - which I hosted in the pub I was running at the time. He showed us his leg - it’s totally fucked - he shouldn’t have been able to play again - the calf muscle on his injured leg is half the size of his good leg - luckily I think it’s his right - which he used for standing on and not much more - but by the start of the Premier League he’d lost his pace and mobility.
You can see it is games played and goals scored either side of the 91/92 season.
Prior to 91/92, even including Watford, in 10 seasons, he’d scored less than 10 goals only twice in a season with 8 being his lowest return.
Post ‘92, 7 goals was high highest return.
That’s just the League - if you take all comps into consideration, Barnes never failed to hit double figures until after ‘92.
Lads I was comparing first 2-3 EPL seasons Barnes (who was still averaging 7-10 goals each) vs Milner for the SUBS BENCH.
If it was a young and peak Milner, then obviously he gets in instead.
Calm down.
If it was a young and peak Milner, then obviously he gets in instead.
Calm down.
Well, if we only consider PL era years, it's peak Milner vs aging Barnes. But I actually chose Milner as someone who can cover in both full-back positions and midfield – the other alternatives I considered were Marcus Babbel and Carra. If you want to include Barnes of the early 90's then it would be at the expense of MacManaman in my squad.
Again, different people use different principles for building their "best ever 11" – if you're just picking the biggest names from each era, then you would of course have Torres up front etc. But for me this exercise is trying to come up with the strongest possible team and squad if I could choose from a pool of LFC players from 1992 till now in their peak condition, so like any real-world squad you have to look at how partnerships work (agree with @peekay that Hyypia + Van Dijk is not ideal), some idea of tactics and formation (Klopp-ball for me, obviously) and making sure every position is more or less covered on the bench.
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This time next year, we'll be having young Jude and Mbappe on the bench, so this argument is moot anyways.
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