The fact that most people are still not sure if a) Elliott is good enough and b) what his best position is, speaks volumes. Because as you say he's had 2 years and yet few outstanding games.
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Klopp is using him as his options are limited - he wouldn't start him bar injuries and rotation. A squad option as best next season.
I think people know what elliotts best position is, as you can see in the way he plays how he'd excel as a 10. Problem is, we don't play that way, and more than likely never will; so until Elliott completely redesigns his play style (which clearly klopp thinks he's doing well because he keeps playing him), there of course will be question marks.
Bar the pace. Which is one of the biggest weaknesses for Elliott.
I don't think Foden is rapid. Normally everything is more of a slow methodical build up with city.
And to follow up on what Momo has said and Fabio has intimated ... if he doesn't suit our system, and we know Klopp isn't going to change it, then what do we do with him? He has no pace, doesn't score many goals and is wasteful in possession. He's certainly a player with natural talent that could be moulded into 'something' but likely not something that suits us.
Oh come on.
Foden is far quicker, far more creative, has a bigger eye for a goal.....able to play anywhere across the front line.
He'll end up being a squad rotation player, solely because our biggest issue is CM so we're going to spunk 100m on someone in that position.
As i say, for me, the criticism against harvey is hugely unfair when he's being played out of position, in a part of the field we're weak in
Elliott rarely (if ever) gets a chance in our front line. Add in the fact city play differently to us; i don't think it's unrealistic that someone with his game intelligence and technical ability could have had as big an impact for them as foden has.
Well we've used him at LW RW and RM in a 433.......
We're not going to change our whole set up just so we can fully utilise Harvey's ability.
and this for me is the most disheartening thing. He's a boyhood red, gets the club, has great technical ability..... but due to a rigidity in our system he'll end up being a nearly man.
Foden has pace. And unfortunately is on another level talentwise to Elliot.
He's played LW maybe once, RW maybe 3-5 times, and RCM a lot (a vastly different position in our system to RM).
I agree with you. We're not going to change the system. I just disagree with people who say harvey hasn't got "it". He does, in spades. Generational? more than likely not, but who knows, considering we never fucking play him in a system which is ideal
Elliott has pace, but neither are rapid. I disagree with on another level of talent however. one was indulged in his formative years and allowed to excel in his preferred position. The other was changed to a CM to hide the fact we weren't' buying one
Giving me a headache this morning, Fabio.
Next you'll be saying Harvey can outperform Rashford on current form if we just moved him 10 yards higher up the pitch.....
If you can't see Foden is quicker than Harvey (by some distance) and far more talented then you either got a hard on for the kid or just have sight problems.......Harvey isn't even the most talented kid we've signed from Fulham.
Next you'll be saying Harvey can outperform Rashford on current form if we just moved him 10 yards higher up the pitch.....
If you can't see Foden is quicker than Harvey (by some distance) and far more talented then you either got a hard on for the kid or just have sight problems.......Harvey isn't even the most talented kid we've signed from Fulham.
See i'll disagree with all that, but leave it there.
Nunez was crap at centre forward last night and only came into the game when switched more left.
He’s more of a goal threat than those centre mids we’ve relied on in the past. He’s got a few goals this season and should have got one last night. Klopp’s reluctance to shift from 4-3-3 has probably stopped him blossoming. The same can be said for Carvalho.
This makes Momo sad.
He is one paced like Firmino and Coutinho. It didn’t hold them back. We’ve been spoilt by the blistering speed of Mané and Salah.
What do you mean switched more left? He played almost the whole game on the left until the last 10-15 mins when Gakpo came on.
Start of the game he was more central, where you’d expect Gakpo to play. Then moved left as the game progressed.
I wouldn't be surprised if longterm, Klopp sees it as this:
Nunez---‐-------Gapko---------‐-Diaz
With Jota rotated in. Gapko seems certain to be in the role Bobby was, while he's flirted with Diaz on the right and he knows all three are fairly interchangeable, if a little left-heavy.
Nunez---‐-------Gapko---------‐-Diaz
With Jota rotated in. Gapko seems certain to be in the role Bobby was, while he's flirted with Diaz on the right and he knows all three are fairly interchangeable, if a little left-heavy.
Exactly what my thinking is
We wont be using Diaz on the right. He has played there 2 times in about 5 years. It aint happening.
Its also doesnt make sense to move the player that is the best we have for the LFW position to another that will see him being a lot less effective.
Play people in the their best and natural positions.
As for Nunez, I think he's being played out wide left because of Diaz injury, not being up to date on how Klopp wants his striker to play and getting integrated to the team. From next season he'll most definitely be our main striker.
Its also doesnt make sense to move the player that is the best we have for the LFW position to another that will see him being a lot less effective.
Play people in the their best and natural positions.
As for Nunez, I think he's being played out wide left because of Diaz injury, not being up to date on how Klopp wants his striker to play and getting integrated to the team. From next season he'll most definitely be our main striker.
Does it really make a lot of difference for wingers?
Really never saw the massive who-ha with CB's playing right/left side or CM's playing on the right/left side and it's the same to me with wingers.
Diaz is a quality quality player, I see him being easily as effective on the right flank.....it's not a new position really like converting a forward to a CF or vice versa......you still have space to dribble, beat a man.....have option to come inside or go down outside + you still have a defensive duty to help your full back out.
Sure in FIFA and Football Manager, but retraining Diaz to play in RWF doesnt make much sense.
Firstly he's predominantly right footed, so moving him to the right will see him being a lot less effective as when he's cutting in from the left.
He has already scored a fair few goals for us doing just that.
Play him in his natural position were he is most effective and in the position he is our best player by far.
I see Elliott as someone similar to Lallana whom Klopp loved and used effectively in the midfield 3. Let’s not forget that Klopp used many iterations of the 3-man midfield in his time here, not just the classic workmanlike Fabs-Gini-Hendo or Milner-Gini-Hendo trios everyone remembers. Even Coutinho and Shaqiri played in midfield for Klopp. Elliott has suffered this season because the defensive platform behind him was unstable; when Thiago leaves or has his minutes reduced, we will need more creativity through the middle - this is where he will be useful.
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