No, I think we can cut him some slack.
Pre Match - Shrewbury (H) - Sun 14:00
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Yeah, I wondered about that - but could be Covid as well.
The number of times I've watched Jones and been impressed by him could probably count on one hand. He's been a total non event this season for lots of reasons. I get the sense that he's hit a wall in terms of his development, he's not currently good enough to start for us and he needs to play regularly to see how far he can go. If our midfield wasn't crammed full of sick notes we'd probably do well to loan him out and get him games. As it stands he's just treading water.
Feels like the coaches picked this up early in the season and gave Elliott the chance in his place.
He's too much of a ballhog and he's also too slow.
His "Curtis-me" attitude isn't helping.
I saw it a little differently today though ultimately end up with a similar conclusion.
He is clearly talented and for me that did stand out today. The problem is that he appears to have neither the brains to go with his talent and nor quite enough talent to go with his self-confidence. It's frustrating to watch.
That being said, he's still pretty young. You'd think he is someone that coaches can work with - it's not like there is no raw material there. The question is whether he has the capacity to learn and develop further.
I'm not so sure he's a Klopp type player though so it'll be interesting to see how things unfold for him.
He is clearly talented and for me that did stand out today. The problem is that he appears to have neither the brains to go with his talent and nor quite enough talent to go with his self-confidence. It's frustrating to watch.
That being said, he's still pretty young. You'd think he is someone that coaches can work with - it's not like there is no raw material there. The question is whether he has the capacity to learn and develop further.
I'm not so sure he's a Klopp type player though so it'll be interesting to see how things unfold for him.
I didn't mean slow as in pace, I'm talking about his decision making. It just takes too long.
I watched the whole thing - we never got out of first gear, movement was poor, passing slow and sloppy.
They did what every team will do against us - to banks of 4, narrow close down space the minute we cross the half way line and look to get someone in behind the RB and get quick crosses in while our CB’s are facing goal.
We’ll just fanny about with the ball, going forward, the straight back to the CB’s to slowly pass it sideways, then forward... then back and sideways again.
Too often it feel like our forwards and advanced midfielders are standing static with their backs to goal, waiting for ball to feet - and they just ping it back to where it came from.
I think it stems from having players of limited creativity on the ball - can’t pick a pass and can’t run at or past someone to draw more than one opposition player out of position and create space for someone else.
We get up to the half way line and none of our midfielders know what to do with the ball.
I love Fabinho, but he’s there to break up opposition play - he’s not creative at all.
We’re missing someone that’ll drive forward from midfield (like a young Gerrard) or is capable of picking passes from deep (like an old Gerrard or an Alonso).
Telling that our best dribbler and passer from deep central positions are both CB’s rather than CM’s.
They did what every team will do against us - to banks of 4, narrow close down space the minute we cross the half way line and look to get someone in behind the RB and get quick crosses in while our CB’s are facing goal.
We’ll just fanny about with the ball, going forward, the straight back to the CB’s to slowly pass it sideways, then forward... then back and sideways again.
Too often it feel like our forwards and advanced midfielders are standing static with their backs to goal, waiting for ball to feet - and they just ping it back to where it came from.
I think it stems from having players of limited creativity on the ball - can’t pick a pass and can’t run at or past someone to draw more than one opposition player out of position and create space for someone else.
We get up to the half way line and none of our midfielders know what to do with the ball.
I love Fabinho, but he’s there to break up opposition play - he’s not creative at all.
We’re missing someone that’ll drive forward from midfield (like a young Gerrard) or is capable of picking passes from deep (like an old Gerrard or an Alonso).
Telling that our best dribbler and passer from deep central positions are both CB’s rather than CM’s.
On behalf of everyone at Six Crazy Minutes... fuck Arsenal and fuck Spurs!!!
Yeah... there’s that too.
Reservations & injury issues aside : Keita, Thiago and Elliot all have that drive/dribbling in their locker, maybe even Jones. Hendo, Thiago and Fabs the long range passing. We really don't know what coaching instructions they are playing to though, it could be the recycling is what is being demanded of them.
Could be - I mean I’m certainly not Jürgen Klopp - but it seems an obvious fault in our game and it feels we’re heading towards a gameplay of trying to bore our opponents to death in the event they don’t play a high line and give our players all the space they want.
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This talk of Jones reminded me of who his biggest fan is, and the fact he has been quiet since pre-Christmas. What have you done with @Dreambeliever, Steve?
I agree it seems to be more of a mentality issue than anything else. He seems to have one or two moments in a game at most and then sit back and admire his own work. He's nearly 21 so there is still time for him to develop but he needs to start making much quicker progress or others will push him further down the queue and 12 months from now we will be talking about trying to flog him to Villa for £12m
I'd flog him to Villa for 12m now
Jones needs games week in, week out. For me he has the potential to be somewhere between what Coutinho and Wijnaldum offered for us
Listen, some players got it, some players don't.
Just because you're good enough to play in the premier League, doesn't mean that you're good enough for LFC.
Now look at Elliott, it's quite clear that the kid has "it". Whatever "it" is...
We saw that in Sterling as well.
Of course there are exceptions, like Robbo and Carra for instance. The difference is, they're humble and put in the extra effort to make it.
I just don't see that happening with Jones. He already plays like he's the bees knees.
Just because you're good enough to play in the premier League, doesn't mean that you're good enough for LFC.
Now look at Elliott, it's quite clear that the kid has "it". Whatever "it" is...
We saw that in Sterling as well.
Of course there are exceptions, like Robbo and Carra for instance. The difference is, they're humble and put in the extra effort to make it.
I just don't see that happening with Jones. He already plays like he's the bees knees.
I'm still hoping it clicks for him before fully discounting him, but he's making it more and more difficult to think he'll be as good as he thinks he is
Of course, I want him to succeed. We've all seen glimpses of what he can do. Glimpses ain't enough, though.
His career was over as soon as Dreamy championed him.
Has a case of the Shelveys, doesn't he?
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