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He is Arsenal's longest serving and most successful manager, and he's credited with advancing diet and training techniques in the Premier League.

I think he's always been one of the better transfer market operators, he'll always be remembered for Henry, Vieira and Petit initially but i think his patient approach was what led to the likes of Ozil and Sanchez ending up at Arsenal. Even when Arsenal couldn't spend because of the stadium, he managed to make smart moves and kept them in the top 4. I don't think many would have managed that. He's obviously made mistakes in the market along the way bit they've never been ones that set the club back significantly.

On a bit of a tangent he seems to have a reasonably good eye for centre backs, they always seem able to cope in the Premier League.

For me he's the prototype Director of Football. He's perfect.

But ... he is also lacking in one major respect. He's not much of a tactician. I say that in the knowledge that its a difficult claim to level since we don't get to see the planning that goes into games. We just get the 90 mins to judge.

He has had this overriding total football, fluid, free form, passing style throughout his time at Arsenal - playing the 'right way'. But i wonder if a different approach would have yielded more trophies. That kind of style is great when it works but too often Wenger seems to have failed to tailor the gameplan to the opposition.

His record against top sides is remarkably poor because his approach doesn't get the best out of the talent he has and/ or because he doesn't consider how to neutralise the opposition.

I suppose he's a bit of a flawed genius.

It seems inevitable that he'll leave Arsenal this season. I wonder what happens next for them.
 
It is allways difficult with deciding how long to keep such people. He is obviously a legend within Arsenal. He took them past that George Graham boring Arsenal phase and made them into trendsetters for how rapid fluid football could be played and still give titles. And he has done enough for the Club to tell them when he wants to leave, not the other way around. However, it will be very difficult to replace him. The Club culture has been established, and it is not just for any manager to walk in there and build on that. It will take time if they walk in a different direction next, and with their fans being frustrated with Wenger, I Guess they will not be very patienced with a New manager.
 
it's sort of frightening that he's leaving, because they are always an exciting prospect for any manager looking to manage a top club. I'd prefer Wenger stayed and they continued with Groundhog Day.
 
it's sort of frightening that he's leaving, because they are always an exciting prospect for any manager looking to manage a top club. I'd prefer Wenger stayed and they continued with Groundhog Day.

Yeah, i wonder if handed that squad would Tuchel or Simeone (for example) make a lot more of it.
 
Thank goodness we got Klopp before them.

Who would they go for now? Its a huge job for anyone taking it on.

Simeone may be in the running, but his style of play isn't exactly the Arsenal way. There was a crazy moment a couple of years ago when I thought Roberto Martinez might fit them well, but his career went off the tracks a bit at Everton. Feel a bit like a toss for thinking that now.

Tuchel? Allegri? Emery? Sampaoli?

Here's hoping they do a Moyes or Hodgson and hire a complete fraud.
 
Havent they been linked with Howe?

Simeone has said he'll stay one more season with Atletico moving into a new stadium.
Emery wont leave PSG.
Sampaoli is one the Spanish medias favourites to replace Luis Enrique.

If they go for someone like Jardim I'd be worried.

Wenger will probably be involved in the process of finding his replacement. Which could set them off on the wrong track, hopefully.
 
He is Arsenal's longest serving and most successful manager, and he's credited with advancing diet and training techniques in the Premier League.

I think he's always been one of the better transfer market operators, he'll always be remembered for Henry, Vieira and Petit initially but i think his patient approach was what led to the likes of Ozil and Sanchez ending up at Arsenal. Even when Arsenal couldn't spend because of the stadium, he managed to make smart moves and kept them in the top 4. I don't think many would have managed that. He's obviously made mistakes in the market along the way bit they've never been ones that set the club back significantly.

On a bit of a tangent he seems to have a reasonably good eye for centre backs, they always seem able to cope in the Premier League.

For me he's the prototype Director of Football. He's perfect.

But ... he is also lacking in one major respect. He's not much of a tactician. I say that in the knowledge that its a difficult claim to level since we don't get to see the planning that goes into games. We just get the 90 mins to judge.

He has had this overriding total football, fluid, free form, passing style throughout his time at Arsenal - playing the 'right way'. But i wonder if a different approach would have yielded more trophies. That kind of style is great when it works but too often Wenger seems to have failed to tailor the gameplan to the opposition.

His record against top sides is remarkably poor because his approach doesn't get the best out of the talent he has and/ or because he doesn't consider how to neutralise the opposition.

I suppose he's a bit of a flawed genius.

It seems inevitable that he'll leave Arsenal this season. I wonder what happens next for them.
Good post.

I've always felt he's lacked some managerial ruthlessness, whatever that is exactly.

Ferguson had it and I do believe Klopp's got it as well.
 
He has put together some great sides and kept them right financially. The reputation is somewhat tarnished in recent years by watching them get repeatedly bummed by better teams when it mattered.

Is he not great tactically or does he refuse to compromise on his footballing principles?
 
Good post.

I've always felt he's lacked some managerial ruthlessness, whatever that is exactly.

Ferguson had it and I do believe Klopp's got it as well.

He was ruthless to begin with, he binned Petit and Overmars when most people thought it was a crazy decision, but he was proved right. Ferguson said it was the mark of a great manager at the time. Then he went on to keep the likes of Rosicky for years and years.
 
He was ruthless to begin with, he binned Petit and Overmars when most people thought it was a crazy decision, but he was proved right. Ferguson said it was the mark of a great manager at the time. Then he went on to keep the likes of Rosicky for years and years.

I wonder if he just got to obsessed with being "Wenger" and finding talent and turning them into World Class players, and having to much trust in his own set up tactically to change over the years. They just look like they are stuck at the same place and cant move forward.

Their squads used to have a real winning mentality but that sort of players are non existent nowadays. Its just Sanchez and maybe a Cech that is past his best.

I dont like him at all, but he deserves much more respect from the Arsenal fans then what he's getting at the moment.
 
Do people think that Arsenal benefit from the "London Factor" when it comes to transfers and are Arsenal, or should they be, the biggest club in London? Does anyone else have the unshakeable image of Wenger laughing down his nose, whilst sitting behind his desk, wearing an impossibly long bubble-coat signing off on a £40m + £1 bid for Suarez?
 
I think the setup George Graham and Bruce Rioch handed to him played a very big role in his initial success. George Graham handed him one of the best defenses of the modern era and Bruce handed him Bergkamp. Credit to Wenger though for taking full advantage of the situation through smart signings and tactics. Also, I think Arsenal were not in that much of a slump before he took over. George had won 2 league titles and 1 European cup in 8 years compared to 3 PL titles and 0 European trophies in 20 years for Arsene. So it is not like he "rescued" Arsenal like Ferguson did for the Mancs. They were not that bad before.

But full credit to him for the invincibles. A genuinely brilliant team.

While I am not a huge fan of his personality, he has been a part of the fabric of football ever since I started watching and understanding it. So I will be a wee bit sad when he steps down. I also think he was one of the last "managerial stars" made by the PL. I know he won a league title in Monaco but that was 8-9 years before he joined Arsenal. He made his name in the PL.
 
I think they'll be sorry to see him go. Keeping a side consistently in the CL whilst paying that stadium off is no mean feat. We've seen ourselves how easy it is to go backwards when the funding dries up, especially with City and Chelsea throwing money at anything with a pulse. What Wenger needed was a stronger assistant who could stand up to him and point our the clear blindspots he refused to acknowledge.
 
Wenger delivering some truth bombs to Arsenal fans.

"It is not like when I arrived Arsenal had already won the European Cup five times -- they had never won the European Cup."

More here: http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/...ork-next-year-whether-at-arsenal-or-elsewhere

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Wenger came from managing in Japan didn't he? I would have thought a huge contract out in China somewhere where they will let him do what he wants with silly money would be hugely appealing to him for a year or two before retiring.

As for Arsenal, they have banged on for years about 'money being available'. Does this mean a new manager will be given free reign to break the piggy bank finally and start paying for the top end players in the market? If so, I don't think it's particularly good for us ( as someone mentioned, the London factor is a draw ), but guess time will tell.
 
Wenger has spent big, the frugal reputation is a myth cf Sanchez, Ozil etc. Arsenal have also always paid top wages.

Their stadium expenditure is being repaid by charging the most expensive tickets in the country.

His Arsenal supporting media friends have always put out flattering items. He is a competent manager but has lost his way.

Hopefully he will stay.
 
I've heard (from someone i trust on the subject) that Arsenal are trying to negotiate a swap deal of Emery for Wenger, with Wenger likely to take a 12 month contract at PSG whilst they look for a long term replacement. They've been tracking him since his Sevilla days.

They've also had new budget approved to plan new marketing campaigns without Ozil and Sanchez, as they are resigned to both leaving.

Doesn't sound bright at the Emirates!
 
What are the odds of them spending big to show that they can still be a force post-Wenger?

If one of or both Sanchez and Ozil go it would surely be even more likely.
 
He is Arsenal's longest serving and most successful manager, and he's credited with advancing diet and training techniques in the Premier League.

I think he's always been one of the better transfer market operators, he'll always be remembered for Henry, Vieira and Petit initially but i think his patient approach was what led to the likes of Ozil and Sanchez ending up at Arsenal. Even when Arsenal couldn't spend because of the stadium, he managed to make smart moves and kept them in the top 4. I don't think many would have managed that. He's obviously made mistakes in the market along the way bit they've never been ones that set the club back significantly.

On a bit of a tangent he seems to have a reasonably good eye for centre backs, they always seem able to cope in the Premier League.

For me he's the prototype Director of Football. He's perfect.

But ... he is also lacking in one major respect. He's not much of a tactician. I say that in the knowledge that its a difficult claim to level since we don't get to see the planning that goes into games. We just get the 90 mins to judge.

He has had this overriding total football, fluid, free form, passing style throughout his time at Arsenal - playing the 'right way'. But i wonder if a different approach would have yielded more trophies. That kind of style is great when it works but too often Wenger seems to have failed to tailor the gameplan to the opposition.

His record against top sides is remarkably poor because his approach doesn't get the best out of the talent he has and/ or because he doesn't consider how to neutralise the opposition.

I suppose he's a bit of a flawed genius.

It seems inevitable that he'll leave Arsenal this season. I wonder what happens next for them.

I give you the following dross;
Pascal Cygan, Philip Sendeross, Gabriel, Matt Upson, Oleg Luzhny, Sebastien Squilacci, Mikael Silvestre, Stathis Tavlatdis, Johan Djourou.

Average;
Shkodran Mustafi, Thomas Vermaelen, Per Mertesacker

The best;
Laurent Koscielny, Kolo Toure, Sol Campbell
 
Said it a million times. The man doesn't know how to build a defence.

He inherited the best back 5 in British history, and won plenty off the back of it. In the subsequent 10-15 years after their retirement, he's bought perhaps one good centre back out of about 30. That's a fucking remarkable feat of transfer mismanagement.

Shite defender after shite defender. Koscielny was the exception to the rule.
 
I kind of agree that all his best transfers happened early, he operated in a market that was fairly new at the time. But that shouldn't be held against him. His teams have always looked to play good footy and everyone wanted a 'Wenger' for a bit. It probably is time for a change but that's no guarantee things will get better.
Modern footy players have him to thank for pasta and salad. Meat pie denial is probably the cause of their rampant cokeheadedness. That shit gets to you.
 
I think they'll be sorry to see him go. Keeping a side consistently in the CL whilst paying that stadium off is no mean feat. We've seen ourselves how easy it is to go backwards when the funding dries up, especially with City and Chelsea throwing money at anything with a pulse. What Wenger needed was a stronger assistant who could stand up to him and point our the clear blindspots he refused to acknowledge.

Good point regarding the assistent. Ferguson probably benefitted from having a variety of assistant managers over the period he managed.
 
I hope Wenger leaves. The pressure on the man that follows him will be HUGE. When he leaves I think arsenal will go backwards for a few years.
 
Ranieri might suit them, he seems like a defensive version of Wenger, similar calmness, does his work without spending money, soon to be unemployed, he isn't likely to turn them down with laughter, what's not to like?
 
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