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If you honestly did not expect that kind of a performance after international week, then where have you been all these years ? - We are lucky for the draw because usually (someone should research this) - we are a bag of shite after international week.

Anyway - no one should be surprised after that performance in the second half - it was always going to show its ugly head at some point. If you ask me we have looked vulnerable in all the games we have played so far this season. I just hope we don't use up all our luck in these early games.
 
moron said:
If you honestly did not expect that kind of a performance after international week, then where have you been all these years ? - We are lucky for the draw because usually (someone should research this) - we are a bag of shite after international week.

Anyway - no one should be surprised after that performance in the second half - it was always going to show its ugly head at some point. If you ask me we have looked vulnerable in all the games we have played so far this season. I just hope we don't use up all our luck in these early games.
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It's showing its ugly head in every game though.

Therefore - it's not the international break.
 
Hansern said:
The stats I posted shows us having 54 % posession on the first half and 37 % in the 2nd half in our first 4 games.
We definetly need to get that right.
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Tony Barrett
Last updated at 12:01AM, September 20 2013

Brendan Rodgers has held urgent talks with his backroom staff in an attempt to solve Liverpool’s recent inability to maintain performance levels for an entire game.
The Liverpool manager was perplexed by the disparity between his team’s showing in the first and second halves of the 2-2 game away to Swansea City on Monday after a strong display in the opening period gave way to a more laboured performance after the break
 
I don't understand why are they 'urgent talks'. Shouldn't there always be a review after each game?
 
DHSC said:
I don't understand why are they 'urgent talks'. Shouldn't there always be a review after each game?
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You'd think so but maybe it's something Rodgers' has had concerns about for some time and now feels it's time to raise such concerns with his staff.
 
Gary25 said:
You'd think so but maybe it's something Rodgers' has had concerns about for some time and now feels it's time to raise such concerns with his staff.
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I thought there would be a proper AAR and the concerns would be aired then. It seems like the backroom team met after the match for its usual review, went home, and then Rodgers suddenly remembered 2 days later that we were not performing and decided to call his team in at 3am to discuss.

Anyway I am just rambling.
 
Is anyone else a bit concerned that BR may be dismissing too easily the possibility that this is, at least partly, a fitness issue? His all-action style demands a sod of a lot from the players fitness-wise. Besides, if it isn't a physical thing, WTF *is* it?
 
Other team getting used to the idea of playing Liverpool by the second half, our players getting complacent, then the combination of the two making our players nervous, etc.
 
Judge Jules said:
Is anyone else a bit concerned that BR may be dismissing too easily the possibility that this is, at least partly, a fitness issue? His all-action style demands a sod of a lot from the players fitness-wise. Besides, if it isn't a physical thing, WTF *is* it?
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It does seem odd. I wonder if it isn't over-training. Gerrard said it's been the toughest fitness regime he's ever known.
 
But the season is now more than a month old and training has been adjusted with that in mind.
We should be seeing results of that pre season now and not looking like they're unfit.
 
Well, running around a lot without the ball is pretty physically draining and maintaining your concentration whilst defending is mentally draining.

We haven't seen much evidence of a coherent team so far this season. The attack has played as a unit - at times - and so has the defence but we need to see all the parts come together and show fluency more regularly.

Luckily we've had the goals of Sturridge and some top performances at the back to see us through whilst we're (hopefully) dusting off the cobwebs.
 
DHSC said:
I don't understand why are they 'urgent talks'. Shouldn't there always be a review after each game?
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Well if he had said " Brendan Rodgers strolled into Melwood to have his weekly informal chat" it probably wouldnt have grabbed the attention.
 
Agree with both ILD and GK.. If a team faces us and is "only" 1-0 down then they wil be encouraged that we might run out of steam by 70 mins. If we can get in 2-0 or 3-0 at half time then i'd expect BR to rally the team to kill it off early in 2nd half and then ring the changes.

I think at 1-0 he'd be much more hesistant to take of Captain Fantastic, Coutinho etc who are potential match winners but when we have won already i'd expect him to rest them.
 
The good thing is there's a perfectly clear logic as to how remedy the situation. It's not a mad mystery. We're a possession-based side so we need to do what we do better than we have done. Mignolet, for one thing, shouldn't keep belting the ball upfield - we don't have big men ready to chest the ball down and lay it off, so it's an utterly pointless means of surrendering possession. Roll it out to feet. Get it back and do it again. We stop building from the back after about an hour, and Gerrard fails to put his foot on the ball and dictate the pace. It's all basic stuff within Rodgers' style of play that ought to be remedied pretty easily.
 
gkmacca said:
The good thing is there's a perfectly clear logic as to how remedy the situation. It's not a mad mystery. We're a possession-based side so we need to do what we do better than we have done. Mignolet, for one thing, shouldn't keep belting the ball upfield - we don't have big men ready to chest the ball down and lay it off, so it's an utterly pointless means of surrendering possession. Roll it out to feet. Get it back and do it again. We stop building from the back after about an hour, and Gerrard fails to put his foot on the ball and dictate the pace. It's all basic stuff within Rodgers' style of play that ought to be remedied pretty easily.
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Spot on, theoretically at least.

But it's difficult to do with the personnel we have - Mignolet's distribution is cack. Wisdom at full-back is very poor in possession. The CM pair hardly demands the ball under the pressure, and when they do have it, have no idea of how to circulate possession. Henderson for all his energy isn't the best retainer of the ball either.
 
Yes. But we can work on it. What I really admire about Rodgers' approach is that it's what football should be but rarely is: simple but intelligent. You should hate to give the ball away.That's also why I always loved watching Molby and Hamman. They showed you CAN keep the ball and use the ball without making it look like the most hazardous ordeal going. And within that philosophy, a keeper just belting the ball upfield surely represents that most common problem. At the peak of the great sides of the past we had four men at the back who could all actually bring the ball out. Hansen could do it, Lawrenson could do it, Nicol could do it, Neal could do it. We also had forwards who could deal with the long kick as well, but that's another story. You're quite right that we lack that caliber at the back today, but they can do so much better. Too often at the moment, especially in the second half, we get an exchange of passes across the back, then back to Mignolet, then he punts it upfield. They can do better than that.
 
gkmacca said:
Yes. But we can work on it. What I really admire about Rodgers' approach is that it's what football should be but rarely is: simple but intelligent. You should hate to give the ball away.That's also why I always loved watching Molby and Hamman. They showed you CAN keep the ball and use the ball without making it look like the most hazardous ordeal going. And within that philosophy, a keeper just belting the ball upfield surely represents that most common problem. At the peak of the great sides of the past we had four men at the back who could all actually bring the ball out. Hansen could do it, Lawrenson could do it, Nicol could do it, Neal could do it. We also had forwards who could deal with the long kick as well, but that's another story. You're quite right that we lack that caliber at the back today, but they can do so much better. Too often at the moment, especially in the second half, we get an exchange of passes across the back, then back to Mignolet, then he punts it upfield. They can do better than that.
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It is something we can work on and we know that they're capable of better than they're showing now so there is definitely room for improvement... however... I think dmish has a point. There is a glass ceiling for that improvement because one or two of them are never going to be quite good enough for the role they're being asked to perform. We're crying out for players like Molby and Hamann in midfield but I don't think we're going to turn the likes of Gerrard and Henderson for example into them - they're all about the guts and glory.
 
Mignolet's distribution is lacking at best. Far too often we pass it back for him to concede possession with a kick, then after a while we seem to be reluctant to pass it back to him & invite pressure at the back.

That combined with a seeming inability to one touch pass (the entire side seems to need at last two at the moment) are compounding matters when we sit further back, meaning as the match goes on we get pushed back far too much.
 
I'm really feeling like people are overstating Mignolets passing deficiencies

He's not Gerrard, but he's hardly a fucking scoper
 
It does when we use him as an outlet when under pressure & he kicks it back to the opposition.

Which is what happens about half the time.
 
DHSC said:
I don't understand why are they 'urgent talks'. Shouldn't there always be a review after each game?
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"Brendan Rodgers has held normal post match reviews with his staff after each game".

I sincerely hope you don't fancy a career in copywriting.
 
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