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Poor old Toon.....

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[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33726.msg874534#msg874534 date=1243244867]
Pardon my geography but are all Geordies from Newcastle?
[/quote]Newcastle is in Geordieshire county mate.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33726.msg874529#msg874529 date=1243244661]
Is Phil from Newcastle?
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Strangely enough Brendan yes he is.
 
All this "Newcastle were 6 points but we couldn't beat Middlesbrough".....

well we couldn't beat Man United and then last year we did.

Chelsea couldn't lose at home but last year they did.


We should fucking beat anyone around the bottom three so previous results don't matter.

Oh, and do Chelsea and United not usually spank them too? So what's the difference?
 
Only teams that don't win titles get neurotic about lucky grounds and teams that 'guarantee' six points. Teams that are that predictable do one of two things: they find a way NOT to 'guarantee' other clubs six points, or they get relegated. Newcastle did the latter. The idea we're somehow 'losing' a points fairy is absurd. The barcodes need a long spell in the wilderness for their own mental health. As for Boro, well, they've been the beige of football for many years: good riddance.
 
Shearer's a decent lad who tells it how it is and I was sorry to see him take them down.

Wizardry - apologies in advance if this costs you a couple of blood pressure pills but it was marvelous to see the man who told pathetic lies for an entire season before leaving my team "to win things" shuffling around Villa Park RELEGATED from the Premier League. Such poetic justice.

Now, breathe deeply and slowly whilst I fiddle with this thing on my shoulder.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33726.msg874575#msg874575 date=1243247604]
As for Boro, well, they've been the beige of football for many years: good riddance.
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I agree beige is an awful colour 😉
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33726.msg874646#msg874646 date=1243256527]
Shearer's a decent lad who tells it how it is and I was sorry to see him take them down.


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Whatever else Shearer is, you can take it from me, he is not a decent lad. Miserable, tight-fisted, egotistical, money-grabbing cunt yes, but decent lad, no.
 
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Good piece by Samuels from the Mail:

Nowhere men say goodbye: Newcastle are over-rated and now relegated

The falsely maligned novices of Manchester did their job. So, too, the old sweats from Stamford Bridge. It was to no purpose, in the end.

The nowhere men of Newcastle were beyond redemption, beyond the reach of local heroes and saviours empowered by tired old myths from an era that matters less with each passing campaign.
You have to laugh: Villa fans taunt their rivals

You have to laugh: Villa fans taunt their rivals

Newcastle are a thoroughly modern club in that they embody all that is soulless and uninspired in the 21st-century game. And that is how they went down at Villa Park. An over-rated and over-valued collection of players, stitched together by a series of moribund managerial teams and posturing, useless owners, offering nothing by way of resistance, and little of remorse.

When Chris Foy, the referee, brought their Premier League tenure to an end, several of the group, including the defender who came to sum up the malaise, Fabricio Coloccini, disappeared into the darkness of the tunnel with barely an acknowledgement of the travelling fans who, along with temporary manager Alan Shearer, if he stays, are all the club has left.

Shearer intends to meet Mike Ashley, the owner, this week and tell him what is wrong with his club. Ashley should schedule a long session and perhaps book a room for the night, plus breakfast. He should also make keeping the manager a priority.

Shearer has won a single game in eight and his players can hardly have been less impressive on their final Premier League outing. Yet while this is hardly the standard recommendation for employment, it must also be recognised that he inherited a squad that would have tested managerial genius.
Aston Villa fans taunt Newcastle fans


If he was to leave, where would Newcastle go without him? This is a club in rudderless turmoil. Apres moi, le deluge, in the words of Louis XV. At least the weather turned out nice at first. In keeping with the misplaced optimism, the supporters began the day bathed in sunshine but as the game wore on, were increasingly shrouded in shade, nature writing its own metaphors for their plight.

It would have been fitting had a small cloud hovered, raining only on them, like the one that used to follow the Addams Family car.

There would have been a time when the players and supporters would at least have been united in misery on an afternoon such as this, but at the moment when all hope disappeared only Shearer seemed aware of the enormity of the event.

He walked forward from his dugout, slowly, as if in shock, like a battle- weary soldier emerging from the trenches after ceasefire. It may have been that he expected to meet his players half-way as they also made their way over to the supporters; instead he stood alone, the traditionally intrusive television lens thrust in his face.

As players passed him on the way to the dressing room, to switch on mobile phones and contact agents to facilitate the next move, Shearer tried to corral them to the rightful place. Like errant sheep, they avoided him, or made to take one path, then veered off.
Scunthorpe's Cliff Byrne celebrates promotion to the Championship and a meeting with Newcastle next season

All smiles: Scunthorpe's Cliff Byrne celebrates promotion to the Championship and a meeting with Newcastle next season

A few, like Nicky Butt, offered applause by way of thanks, or apology, but the days of empathy between those on either side of the pitch-side hoardings have passed. Many of those that took Newcastle down will not be around to suffer the consequences.

The loyalists, meanwhile, will report for duty in the Championship on August 8. 'Hexham Mags on tour' read one banner. Who would have thought that next year it would include stop-offs at Scunthorpe and Peterborough? Survival Sunday was the television billing, but this had more of a suicide pact about it.

There was little drama on the day, because the teams at the bottom were too poor to take charge of their fate and would have dragged each other down like puppies in a sack had numbers allowed.

All four lost, Sunderland by a significant margin to a coasting Chelsea bidding farewell to Guus Hiddink (and manager Ricky Sbragia resigned immediately), Middlesbrough after fleeting resistance at West Ham United, Hull City to a Manchester United team that had little on its side except mystery.

A goal from Darron Gibson was enough to inflict defeat but that did not stop Phil Brown, the Hull manager, turning the celebrations at the end into an impromptu karaoke session, ignoring the fact that his team won one match in the last 23.

Ultimately, that was enough. This was not a vintage year. Despite the achievements of Manchester United and the summit that may be reached in Rome on Wednesday, this campaign will not be recalled with great satisfaction by the majority in the Premier League.

The worst teams went down, as Shearer manfully admitted, but some pretty poor ones stayed up, too.

Newcastle are flattered having made it to the final day of the season. One would have to wind back five seasons to find a year in which a total of 34 points would have kept a team up. The total that West Ham were relegated with in 2003, 42 points, would have placed a club 13th this season.

Yet Newcastle were relegated by a tiny margin, a single point, for want of a goal. That was all it needed yesterday. One measly goal. A tap-in, or a deflection of the type that Damien Duff afforded Aston Villa for their victory. It never came, nor did it look like coming.

The statistics on the Villa Park scoreboard told of Newcastle's three attempts on goal and slightly more off, but maybe the analysts were just being polite. Brad Friedel, the Villa goalkeeper, would have had few quieter games this season.
Gallows humour

The paucity of invention from Newcastle was demonstrated when a wayward cross from Jose Enrique, a lacklustre substitute, drew cries of excitement and frustration normally reserved for a true scoring opportunity, of the type that used to be conjured by Newcastle strikers.

It is an irony that a club defined through history by its iconic No 9s should be relegated in this way; it is shameful that a squad that includes Michael Owen, Mark Viduka, Obafemi Martins and Shola Ameobi should find itself short of firepower.

So no alarms and no surprises, as the song goes. Newcastle were shut out, overwhelmed by Villa's midfield, picked off by their defenders. This from a team who have hit relegation form themselves of late. Villa were there for the taking yesterday had there been any fight in the opposition.

Newcastle, though, were damned and doomed long before the mathematics of relegation were confirmed. Shearer fumed on the touchline, but it was impotent fury, the frenzy of the powerless. 'Each day we delay planning for the future another room burns down,' he said, later. The firefighter had arrived too late. There was nothing left to do except turn off the sirens and go home.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...en-say-goodbye-Newcastle-rated-relegated.html
 
Some good points raised in that article, but I don't understand why everyone is buying into this "Shearer MUST stay" stuff. He has zero real experience of managing a club, let alone (re)building one from the ground up.

The best thing for Newcastle, in my opinion, would be to use this opportunity to learn to resist the fans demands, the fantasies of former legends leading them to glory and the delusions of grandeur.

Anyways, happy to see them go down - they deserved it. After years and years of mismanagement and poor showings from the fans, they've finally been put in their place. Couldn't have happened to a better club. It was all a bit anti-climatic though. "Survival Day" had zero drama as each shit club lost in the same manner they'd been losing all season. If there was any justice, Sunderland and Hull would've been relegated as well.
 
Apparently Shearer wants a 4 year contract, and 30M to spend.

You gotta admire his balls.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33726.msg875053#msg875053 date=1243300489]
Apparently Shearer wants a 4 year contract, and 30M to spend.

You gotta admire his balls.
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I dont think it is balls Ryan. He has got nothing to lose. He has Ashley in a corner. If Ashley has any hope of making a profit then Newcastle have to be in the PL. Also if Ashley refuses, Shearer will still walk away as a legend.

I am surprised he asked only 30 million ( assuming that number is true). I think he could ask for 50 million and then do a roy keane.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33726.msg875053#msg875053 date=1243300489]
Apparently Shearer wants a 4 year contract, and 30M to spend.

You gotta admire his balls.
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I dont think it is balls Ryan. He has got nothing to lose. He has Ashley in a corner. If Ashley has any hope of making a profit then Newcastle have to be in the PL. Also if Ashley refuses, Shearer will still walk away as a legend.

I am surprised he asked only 30 million ( assuming that number is true). I think he could ask for 50 million and then do a roy keane.
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Yep. It's a win-win for him. He leaves and it's not his fault. He stays and isn't backed, not his fault. The only way he could possibly come away looking poor is if he was backed and then failed.

I didn't watch the game but if it's true that many of the players didn't go over to the fans, then that's atrocious and that shambles of a club is in even worse shape than the rotting corpse I thought it to be.
 
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[quote author=peekay link=topic=33726.msg875056#msg875056 date=1243303067]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33726.msg875053#msg875053 date=1243300489]
Apparently Shearer wants a 4 year contract, and 30M to spend.

You gotta admire his balls.
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I dont think it is balls Ryan. He has got nothing to lose. He has Ashley in a corner. If Ashley has any hope of making a profit then Newcastle have to be in the PL. Also if Ashley refuses, Shearer will still walk away as a legend.

I am surprised he asked only 30 million ( assuming that number is true). I think he could ask for 50 million and then do a roy keane.
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I didn't watch the game but if it's true that many of the players didn't go over to the fans, then that's atrocious and that shambles of a club is in even worse shape than the rotting corpse I thought it to be.
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The foreigners (Coloccini, Enrique, etc etc) didn't.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33726.msg875077#msg875077 date=1243317686]
The fans on the day seemed good, but have they been all season?

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Pffft.

In short, no.
 
What happened to the "No matter what, I won't be managing Newcastle next season....blah blah blah....I'll be back on the Match Of The Day couch....blah blah blah."?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33726.msg875077#msg875077 date=1243317686]
The fans on the day seemed good, but have they been all season?

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They made a point of not going to the games earlier in the season. Sack the board and all that. They basically did, but no one wanted them, and for good reason. They've made every quick fix possible in the worst way.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33726.msg875004#msg875004 date=1243284242]
Some good points raised in that article, but I don't understand why everyone is buying into this "Shearer MUST stay" stuff. He has zero real experience of managing a club, let alone (re)building one from the ground up.

The best thing for Newcastle, in my opinion, would be to use this opportunity to learn to resist the fans demands, the fantasies of former legends leading them to glory and the delusions of grandeur.

Anyways, happy to see them go down - they deserved it. After years and years of mismanagement and poor showings from the fans, they've finally been put in their place. Couldn't have happened to a better club. It was all a bit anti-climatic though. "Survival Day" had zero drama as each shit club lost in the same manner they'd been losing all season. If there was any justice, Sunderland and Hull would've been relegated as well.
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Yeah, rationality says they'd be better off with someone like Curbishley, who knows how to build a club up on a budget. But their folk memories are full of Kevin Keegan the Geordie Messiah, so nothing so pragmatic would appeal to them. Having said that, if Shearer is given money to spend, he must have a good chance of taking them straight back up. The competition's not THAT hot.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33726.msg875118#msg875118 date=1243321253]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33726.msg875004#msg875004 date=1243284242]
Some good points raised in that article, but I don't understand why everyone is buying into this "Shearer MUST stay" stuff. He has zero real experience of managing a club, let alone (re)building one from the ground up.

The best thing for Newcastle, in my opinion, would be to use this opportunity to learn to resist the fans demands, the fantasies of former legends leading them to glory and the delusions of grandeur.

Anyways, happy to see them go down - they deserved it. After years and years of mismanagement and poor showings from the fans, they've finally been put in their place. Couldn't have happened to a better club. It was all a bit anti-climatic though. "Survival Day" had zero drama as each shit club lost in the same manner they'd been losing all season. If there was any justice, Sunderland and Hull would've been relegated as well.
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Yeah, rationality says they'd be better off with someone like Curbishley, who knows how to build a club up on a budget. But their folk memories are full of Kevin Keegan the Geordie Messiah, so nothing so pragmatic would appeal to them. Having said that, if Shearer is given money to spend, he must have a good chance of taking them straight back up. The competition's not THAT hot.

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Strangely enough they showed the stats on bouncing straight back on Sky the other day and from memory only 20% of teams relegated come straight back the next season and 40% have never come back.

*crosses fingers for the latter*
 
Typical Newcastle.

Alan Shearer sees Sébastien Bassong as key to Newcastle's return to top flight• New contract for French centre-back is priority

Louise Taylor The Guardian, Thursday 28 May 2009 Article history


Alan Shearer has urged the Newcastle board to build a team around their young French defender Sébastien Bassong. The former England captain is still in talks about becoming Newcastle's long-term manager but has told the club's owner, Mike Ashley, that extending the centre-back's contract should be his top priority.

Bassong, signed from Metz last summer, has a year to run on his current deal but features on the "wanted" lists of Arsenal, Manchester City, Aston Villa and Tottenham Hotspur. A new contract would also radically increase his current salary of £5,000 a week.

Shearer has advised his board not to sell Bassong for under £15m and has a meeting scheduled with the player's agent for early next week when he has also pencilled in a separate meeting with Habib Beye's representative. Shearer would very much like to keep the Senegal right-back. In contrast, he is desperate to offload the £70,000-a-week Fabricio Coloccini whose £10m move to Tyneside proved such a disaster.

It is thought Shearer would like to see Ashley plough around another £30m into Newcastle – with £15-£20m of that sum being spent on buying some pacy, powerful new players suited to the rigours of the Championship.

However, given that after three days of negotiations there are still no puffs of smoke rising from St James' Park to signal Alan Shearer's installation as the club's long-term manager, some Newcastle fans are becoming anxious that the proposed deal will fall through. All the indications are that the endgame is now approaching, with club sources optimistic that Shearer will be confirmed as manager within the next 48 hours.

While Shearer's legal team ponder Ashley's demands, the Newcastle owner's right-hand men reflect on the viability of the would-be manager's requests.

Derek Llambias, Lee Charnley and John Irving, Newcastle's managing director, club secretary and financial controller respectively, duly spent this morning costing out Shearer's blueprint for overhauling the squad ahead of an immediate return to the Premier League.

Moreover, with Keith Harris, chairman of the investment bank Seymour Pierce, and the man charged with trying to sell Newcastle by Ashley before the club was taken off the market in December of last year, dismissing reports that he had met a consortium keen to take over at St James' Park on Tyneside on Tuesday, it seems unlikely the club will change hands, at least in the short term.

Harris, who was in Newcastle on non-football related business on Tuesday and, in any case, makes regular trips to the region due to an involvement he has with Halfords in the north east, described the reports as "categorically untrue."

Considering that Ashley has invested around £250m in the club and could now hope to sell it for no more than £90m as a Championship concern, analysts are convinced he will wait until Newcastle are back in the Premier League and the current worldwide economic gloom has perhaps lifted before trying to recoup his money. "Newcastle United would be worth at least another £100m if it was still a Premier League club," said one such analyst. "It would be a major surprise if Ashley sold now."

Rob Lee, Shearer's former Newcastle and England team-mate who is tipped to join his coaching staff claimed his close friend offered Ashley his sole chance of redemption.

"I certainly think Alan should stay, he's the only appointment Mike Ashley can make with the club going down," said Lee, currently playing in a soccer sevens tournament in Hong Kong.

"It reminds me of the situation in 1992 when the club was in the old first division under Kevin Keegan. Newcastle needs rebuilding and it's needed rebuilding for many years. Mike Ashley takes a lot of the blame but it's been coming for a long time.

"Relegation is disappointing but, in the long term, it might be a blessing in disguise to take one step back to get two forward. I hope Alan stays long term because it's a long term job.

"I think a major overhaul of everything from players to tea ladies is needed. The players need to take responsibility, though. They have no pace and pace is the one thing every team needs now."
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33726.msg875053#msg875053 date=1243300489]
You gotta admire his balls.
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If he sat normally in the studio we wouldn't have to. 😱
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33726.msg878200#msg878200 date=1243588670]
We were seriously linked with Colloccini a few years back weren't we? Another bullet dodged.
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Yes....loads and loads and loads of times.


Ha
 
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