Utter nonsense. Both panels referred to evidence "to support the allegation" (what other kind is there?) and there was the same amount of that in each case.
Poll [Poll] Firmino - Holgate incident update
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Not exactly, the FA also referred to video footage, lip readers, and linguistic experts, when you say that isn't 'sufficient to support a charge' we know it means that evidence categorically proved what Firmino actually said, otherwise he'd be 2% of the way through his 50 game ban right now. Yet the FA never stated that, they remained silent rather than to tell the black guy he either made it up or imagined it.
UEFA dealt with one persons word against another, so their decision makes total sense. The FA dealt with objective evidence from which a seven year old would have been able to determine and subsequently state the truth of what happened, so their non-decision makes no sense. For them to then call out UEFA and say they're 'disappointed' by their decision is absolutely farcical and they can get fucked.
I'm sure uefa looked at multiple angles and have fluent russian speakers in house (what with it being an interntional body and what not).
But, can I bring back the original point.
Why is holgate a liar and Brewster not.
The push probably wouldn't have been a red card , as the ref saw it and decided to take no action, and I'd imagine it was in his match report.
So.
Why is one innocent and one guilty, without being myopic and the reason why modern Liverpool fans can't be taken seriously on race matters.
But, can I bring back the original point.
Why is holgate a liar and Brewster not.
The push probably wouldn't have been a red card , as the ref saw it and decided to take no action, and I'd imagine it was in his match report.
So.
Why is one innocent and one guilty, without being myopic and the reason why modern Liverpool fans can't be taken seriously on race matters.
I can't answer that without repeating myself, but it's definitely not woe is Liverpool woe is me, just what kind of defenceless victim do you take me for? I think what this is comes down to is the way you approach ethics and the way I do. So whereas you would look at the people, listen to what they have to say, remain calm, and lull yourself into a sense of sympathy for them which informs your subsequent belief. On the other hand, I barely register Holgate or Firmino as people, they're just two variables, and I need to figure out the sum of those variables by analysing data, and depending upon how heavily the sum is weighted one way or the other is what informs my belief. So each development that happened in this case, you are more likely to accept it and feel a sense of satisfaction that it's been dealt with, whilst I'm more likely to compare it to the numbers, find it doesn't add up, conclude that the information is a lie, and grow more and more furious at the fake lies. But I'd rather be that way every time, and you'd rather be your way, so what can you do.
For what it's worth, I'm with Fabio on this. We're just painting Holgate as this conniving liar because he plays for Everton. We wouldn't be saying he made it up if he played for us. I also think the FA could've worded the statement to better exonerate Firmino, but fuck it, they're just covering their own arses in an overly PC society. I expected a ban to be honest, so this is the best we could've hoped for.
Who is?
That's no evidence that Firmino used racists language. That is the accusation. But there was no evidence to back it up. After 7 weeks interviewing 12 witnesses including the ref that stood in between them and liguistic experts looking at all close ups from the situation there is no evidence that Firmino used racist language.
And how was that from Brewster's? Why isn't he lying.
That's all my point is now
People can argue the toss over phrasing of the statement, but I couldn't give 2 shits as long he's not banned. No other team gives a shit either. There's no question mark hanging over him unless you're specifically looking for it. This isn't like the Suarez one where people across the country could argue over it.
Why is the need for ultimate vindication from the FA? Yes by all means say they've let us down, but don't bleat on and on about how firmino is still painted as guilty when he's CLEARLY not been.
There's a cognitive dissonance at play here which some people just don't want to accept.
Insufficient evidence can mean no evidence
Shock horror I know
Perhaps the FA consider holgates testimony as evidence. If they're so uproariously thick, then clearly people believe that's a possibility, no?
And we've not seen all the evidence yet. Maybe jagielka (I think he was the ev player who gave evidence) said he wasn't sure what was said, but it's possible.
Shock horror I know
Perhaps the FA consider holgates testimony as evidence. If they're so uproariously thick, then clearly people believe that's a possibility, no?
And we've not seen all the evidence yet. Maybe jagielka (I think he was the ev player who gave evidence) said he wasn't sure what was said, but it's possible.
People are unhappy with the fa statement on firmino, gives doubt over his innocence. I disagree
Dantes posted a statement from uefa on Brewster and how the racism allegation he made was dropped due to no evidence. I said the statements were similar.
I've now asked how holgate is a liar and Brewster isn't
But now I'm tired. Oh so tired. But I can't stop....please....kill me
I haven't argued strongly for Brewster not lying. But if you want to go down that road I am quite disturbed by the massive racism coming from some parts. Eastern Europe is probably worst, but also Spain and Italy have seen so many episodes were the local FA's as well as societies should first hang their heads in shame and then really debate on what to do about this massive problem. Instead it seem to stick and rather increase. There might be deeper explanations than rather pure racism, but the way it is handled by ignoration rather than condemnation help to legalice the problem throughout the society. That shows in a way that a racist attitude is more common than not. Even their own black players gets abuse from own fans. Clubs have played for empty stands due to racism and it seem that the fans blame that to the victims of racism rather than themselves.
So those are two independent case which can't be put in the same bracket. The Firmino Holgate incident is in a hostile environment, but the bust up between these two is based on Holgate's stupidity and not Firmino's history of abusing others.
No, he's a mad cunt full stop.
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