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Paul Ince has hit out at his former Liverpool teammates for blowing their Premier Leageue title chance.
Ince spent two seasons at Liverpool between 1997 and 1999.
"When I decided that I was going to play for Liverpool, it was a case of just trying to change the mindset of the players," Ince told Genting Casino.
"I'd been at United where the mindset was about trying to win a Premier League title, and the sacrifices you need to go to achieving that. And I wanted to bring that to Liverpool.
"Liverpool certainly had the players to do that, they had a wonderful, wonderful team, you had the young Michael Owen coming through, Steven Gerrard, Robbie Fowler, me, Jamie Redknapp, Steve McManaman, so we had a very, very good side.
"We actually had a title inside us for the two years I was there. But there was just certain players who didn't want to make that sacrifice to win the title, and that was a crying shame."

I wasn't really plugged in to the goings on behind the scenes at the time (or ever, really). What and who is he talking about?
 
ctlovesred said:
From Tribalfootball.com

Paul Ince has hit out at his former Liverpool teammates for blowing their Premier Leageue title chance.
Ince spent two seasons at Liverpool between 1997 and 1999.
"When I decided that I was going to play for Liverpool, it was a case of just trying to change the mindset of the players," Ince told Genting Casino.
"I'd been at United where the mindset was about trying to win a Premier League title, and the sacrifices you need to go to achieving that. And I wanted to bring that to Liverpool.
"Liverpool certainly had the players to do that, they had a wonderful, wonderful team, you had the young Michael Owen coming through, Steven Gerrard, Robbie Fowler, me, Jamie Redknapp, Steve McManaman, so we had a very, very good side.
"We actually had a title inside us for the two years I was there. But there was just certain players who didn't want to make that sacrifice to win the title, and that was a crying shame."

I wasn't really plugged in to the goings on behind the scenes at the time (or ever, really). What and who is he talking about?
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I'd imagine he's talking about the attitudes of some of our 'top' players back then, like David James (more interested in modeling and video games than football) or Razor Ruddock (playing pass the pound during matches), or that twat Jason McAteer, etc...

We deffo had the talent, and I honestly thought bringing Ince in to play alongside Redknapp in the middle would finally add the menace and steel that we'd not had in our side for years, and that he'd be the final piece in our title-winning side. But there just wasn't the professionalism or win-at-all-costs attitude amoungst enough of our 'stars', like he'd seen at the scum, and we never got close to achieving what our talent and potential suggests we should have.
 
ctlovesred said:
From Tribalfootball.com

Paul Ince has hit out at his former Liverpool teammates for blowing their Premier Leageue title chance.
Ince spent two seasons at Liverpool between 1997 and 1999.
"When I decided that I was going to play for Liverpool, it was a case of just trying to change the mindset of the players," Ince told Genting Casino.
"I'd been at United where the mindset was about trying to win a Premier League title, and the sacrifices you need to go to achieving that. And I wanted to bring that to Liverpool.
"Liverpool certainly had the players to do that, they had a wonderful, wonderful team, you had the young Michael Owen coming through, Steven Gerrard, Robbie Fowler, me, Jamie Redknapp, Steve McManaman, so we had a very, very good side.
"We actually had a title inside us for the two years I was there. But there was just certain players who didn't want to make that sacrifice to win the title, and that was a crying shame."

I wasn't really plugged in to the goings on behind the scenes at the time (or ever, really). What and who is he talking about?
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Yep spice boys era under Roy Evans
 
ctlovesred said:
From Tribalfootball.com

Paul Ince has hit out at his former Liverpool teammates for blowing their Premier Leageue title chance.
Ince spent two seasons at Liverpool between 1997 and 1999.
"When I decided that I was going to play for Liverpool, it was a case of just trying to change the mindset of the players," Ince told Genting Casino.
"I'd been at United where the mindset was about trying to win a Premier League title, and the sacrifices you need to go to achieving that. And I wanted to bring that to Liverpool.
"Liverpool certainly had the players to do that, they had a wonderful, wonderful team, you had the young Michael Owen coming through, Steven Gerrard, Robbie Fowler, me, Jamie Redknapp, Steve McManaman, so we had a very, very good side.
"We actually had a title inside us for the two years I was there. But there was just certain players who didn't want to make that sacrifice to win the title, and that was a crying shame."

I wasn't really plugged in to the goings on behind the scenes at the time (or ever, really). What and who is he talking about?
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Have been saying this for years, that team under Evans should have had one or more titles in it. Only and only attitude let them down. Its a crying shame, and I really get angry when I see those former spice boys as pundits giving it all for Liverpool, because the cunts should have done that on the pitch.
 
Ince definitely comes across as self-serving in this quote, but it’s hard to argue with the fact that he came from a culture with a winning mentality.

Maybe suggests that it’s going to take Newcastle fair amount of time to build up that culture in addition to all the expensive players.
 
The only thing I remember about Ince is that he was the only player who didn't come out to warm up with the rest of the team before the game. That was our captain.

The whole Spice Boy thing was obviously a problem (although the likes of Fowler, McManaman and McAteer generally put a shift in on match day) but the fish rotted from the head down and Ince is the last person who has the right to point the finger.
 
Agree with Ince and he won two titles at Utd so he had at least been around a squad who had the right mentality.

Criminal we didn’t win a title under Evans. We had a superb team and a match for that Utd team on any day just not over the course of a season.
 
Ince is re-writing history quite a bit here.

He is talking like he came in and tried to make the players more professional. If that was the case then why was he publicly so scathing about those who actually DID try to make the players more professional and actually achieved it - particularly Gerard Houllier? Surely if Ince was so on board with being professional, he would have been massively on board with what Houllier wanted to do.

And maybe it was a different Paul Ince who was out drinking just as much as the other 'unprofessional' players that he now talks about. Obviously this was before he joined us, but I am pretty sure when the England squad did that whole dentists chair thing, Ince was the other one (with Gazza) who did it.

He was always a twat. Insisting on being called The Guv'nor, insisting on being the captain. Not sure I ever really remember him doing much for us on the field though to be honest.

We did have some really good players in the 90s, to be fair, but not so much by the time that Ince was there. Sure, Owen was amazing at that time, but Fowler was injured a lot of the time, as was Redknapp. Gerrard was still a little way away from breaking through. Our defence was absolutely woeful. We would frequently have Babb and Kvarme playing. Even Ruddock was better than them, but he had pretty much gone by then.

We needed an overhaul by the late 90s and ultimately that was what we got, with Ince's departure being part of that.

When we actually did underachieve was the few seasons prior to this, but I don't believe that buying Paul Ince any earlier would have made that any better.
 
I used to work in Chester back then and if I went out for a pint after work he was often out and about. It's total bollocks that he was a model professional.
 
Woland said:
I used to work in Chester back then and if I went out for a pint after work he was often out and about. It's total bollocks that he was a model professional.
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Yeah - Me too. I lived in Chester around then. Ince, Macca, James, God etc were all regulars at the races and certainly enjoyed a night out. Danny Murphy did too but he also lived in Chester and regularly stuck a wedge behind the bar whenever Liverpool won. Very sound guy. He used to drink in a cool place called Clavertons and like the rest of us moved onto a wicked live venue place by the river called Telfords. Great times.

Oh and Ince was a douche no doubt but not even close to Collymore who was a massive cunt.
 
Red Astaire said:
Yeah - Me too. I lived in Chester around then. Ince, Macca, James, God etc were all regulars at the races and certainly enjoyed a night out. Danny Murphy did too but he also lived in Chester and regularly stuck a wedge behind the bar whenever Liverpool won. Very sound guy. He used to drink in a cool place called Clavertons and like the rest of us moved onto a wicked live venue place by the river called Telfords. Great times.

Oh and Ince was a douche no doubt but not even close to Collymore who was a massive cunt.
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So that makes us all correct in thinking that all those players failed on their behaviours but had the talent to win a title
 
moron said:
So that makes us all correct in thinking that all those players failed on their behaviours but had the talent to win a title
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I'm not sure who is correct to be honest. Errrmmm truthfully I didn't read the whole thread. @Woland is one of those posters I like reading so when his post popped up I was just responding to him.

You know what.... I've still not read the whole thread. I don't think I can be arsed either. I've got a school of fish to fry. 🙂
 
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