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He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
He does not need a season to realise these players are not up to scratch, because it's very obvious already.
He does not need a season to realise these players are not up to scratch, because it's very obvious already.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40776.msg1127788#msg1127788 date=1277743704]
He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
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Agree no doubts about Lucas, however getting rid of Babel, Insua and Riera all at once leaves us with nobody on the left side, back and front. With Benayoun most likely off and Aurelio leaving, we'd have no left side / sided players at all.
He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
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Agree no doubts about Lucas, however getting rid of Babel, Insua and Riera all at once leaves us with nobody on the left side, back and front. With Benayoun most likely off and Aurelio leaving, we'd have no left side / sided players at all.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40776.msg1127788#msg1127788 date=1277743704]
He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
He does not need a season to realise these players are not up to scratch, because it's very obvious already.
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he could bring spud back to replace Lucas and we would not be worse off
He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
He does not need a season to realise these players are not up to scratch, because it's very obvious already.
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he could bring spud back to replace Lucas and we would not be worse off
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[quote author=Mojo link=topic=40776.msg1127792#msg1127792 date=1277744393]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40776.msg1127788#msg1127788 date=1277743704]
He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
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Agree no doubts about Lucas, however getting rid of Babel, Insua and Riera all at once leaves us with nobody on the left side, back and front. With Benayoun most likely off and Aurelio leaving, we'd have no left side / sided players at all.
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We replace them.
I don't intend on playing with 9 players each week.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40776.msg1127788#msg1127788 date=1277743704]
He would do well to get rid of Babel, Lucas, Insua and Riera.
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Agree no doubts about Lucas, however getting rid of Babel, Insua and Riera all at once leaves us with nobody on the left side, back and front. With Benayoun most likely off and Aurelio leaving, we'd have no left side / sided players at all.
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We replace them.
I don't intend on playing with 9 players each week.
Reina, Cavalieri
Aurelio, Insua
Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Zorba
Johnson, Degen
Gerrard, Lucas,Masher, Aquilani
Riera, Babel,Yossi, Maxi
Torres, Kuyt, N'Gog
I've highlighted those who have either already gone or are almost certs to leave based on what we know.
That leaves us with 17 senior players. When you take into consideration that we'll probably want to get rid of guys like Degen who contribute nothing and the fact that there are question marks over the futures of Torres and Gerrard, the squad looks in serious trouble. We can't really afford to sell that many players otherwise we'll end up leaving ourselves desperately short in numbers.
Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Zorba
Johnson, Degen
Gerrard, Lucas,
Riera, Babel,
Torres, Kuyt, N'Gog
I've highlighted those who have either already gone or are almost certs to leave based on what we know.
That leaves us with 17 senior players. When you take into consideration that we'll probably want to get rid of guys like Degen who contribute nothing and the fact that there are question marks over the futures of Torres and Gerrard, the squad looks in serious trouble. We can't really afford to sell that many players otherwise we'll end up leaving ourselves desperately short in numbers.
Aurelio(obv), Riera, countless youths on ends of contracts, pellegrino, lee, Degen.
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Roy might decide to give everyone a clean slate. We may be surprised by a few especially if he actually plays them in their rightful positions.
I can't wait for things to start happening. It will give us a good idea of what to expect this season!
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I wonder if he can get performances out of players better than Rafa. Take Zamora ever shite, then had the best season of his career under Hodgson, Babel could be like Zamora, we all know he has the talent to step up.
Roy might decide to give everyone a clean slate. We may be surprised by a few especially if he actually plays them in their rightful positions.
I can't wait for things to start happening. It will give us a good idea of what to expect this season!
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I wonder if he can get performances out of players better than Rafa. Take Zamora ever shite, then had the best season of his career under Hodgson, Babel could be like Zamora, we all know he has the talent to step up.
Zamora's best ever seasons were surely at Brighton, where he virtually single-handedly brought them back-to-back promotions, no?
(Okay, probably not, but there's not many opportunities to big up the Seagulls, so you gotta take 'em where you can get 'em)
(Okay, probably not, but there's not many opportunities to big up the Seagulls, so you gotta take 'em where you can get 'em)
I'm sure if N'Gog played for Brighton next year it would be his best ever season though
Lucas, Insua, Eggnog, Babel, Aquilani, Riera.
All of the above should go.
Masher will go anyway.
All of the above should go.
Masher will go anyway.
Well.. if i was Hodgson.. Id be a busy man this summer..
1 GK Diego Cavalieri
2 DF Glen Johnson
4 MF Alberto Aquilani
5 DF Daniel Agger
8 MF Steven Gerrard (captain)
9 FW Fernando Torres
11 MF Albert Riera
15 MF Yossi Benayoun
16 DF Sotirios Kyrgiakos
17 MF Maxi RodrÃguez
18 FW Dirk Kuyt
19 FW Ryan Babel
20 MF Javier Mascherano
21 MF Lucas
22 DF Emiliano Insúa
23 DF Jamie Carragher (vice-captain)
24 FW David N'Gog
25 GK Pepe Reina
26 MF Jay Spearing
27 DF Philipp Degen
28 MF Damien Plessis
29 FW Krisztián Németh
30 GK Charles Itandje
31 MF Nabil El Zhar
32 DF Stephen Darby
34 DF Martin Kelly
36 DF Steve Irwin
37 DF Martin Å krtel
39 FW Nathan Eccleston
40 DF Daniel Ayala
41 GK Martin Hansen 42 GK Péter Gulácsi
43 GK Dean Bouzanis
45 MF Alex Kacaniklic
46 MF David Amoo
47 FW Daniel Pacheco
48 MF Gerardo Bruna
49 DF Jack Robinson
1 GK Diego Cavalieri
2 DF Glen Johnson
4 MF Alberto Aquilani
5 DF Daniel Agger
8 MF Steven Gerrard (captain)
9 FW Fernando Torres
11 MF Albert Riera
15 MF Yossi Benayoun
16 DF Sotirios Kyrgiakos
17 MF Maxi RodrÃguez
18 FW Dirk Kuyt
19 FW Ryan Babel
20 MF Javier Mascherano
21 MF Lucas
22 DF Emiliano Insúa
23 DF Jamie Carragher (vice-captain)
24 FW David N'Gog
25 GK Pepe Reina
26 MF Jay Spearing
27 DF Philipp Degen
28 MF Damien Plessis
29 FW Krisztián Németh
30 GK Charles Itandje
31 MF Nabil El Zhar
32 DF Stephen Darby
34 DF Martin Kelly
36 DF Steve Irwin
37 DF Martin Å krtel
39 FW Nathan Eccleston
40 DF Daniel Ayala
41 GK Martin Hansen 42 GK Péter Gulácsi
43 GK Dean Bouzanis
45 MF Alex Kacaniklic
46 MF David Amoo
47 FW Daniel Pacheco
48 MF Gerardo Bruna
49 DF Jack Robinson
I would be disappointed if Gerrard, Torres, Reina, Carra, Johnson, Agger and maybe Kuyt were to leave
Am resigned to Mascherano and Yossi going no matter who was in charge and I'm not too fussed about the rest of the squad. As long as money is there to replace them all of course.
I wonder if Dalla Valle might get his chance a bit sooner now. It was Hodgson who was trying to buy him for Fulham wasn't it?
Am resigned to Mascherano and Yossi going no matter who was in charge and I'm not too fussed about the rest of the squad. As long as money is there to replace them all of course.
I wonder if Dalla Valle might get his chance a bit sooner now. It was Hodgson who was trying to buy him for Fulham wasn't it?
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40776.msg1128140#msg1128140 date=1277801744]
I would be disappointed if Gerrard, Torres, Reina, Carra, Johnson, Agger and maybe Kuyt were to leave
Am resigned to Mascherano and Yossi going no matter who was in charge and I'm not too fussed about the rest of the squad. As long as money is there to replace them all of course.
I wonder if Dalla Valle might get his chance a bit sooner now. It was Hodgson who was trying to buy him for Fulham wasn't it?
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Yeah, it was. He should have played a bit last year when we were desperation short of strikers, but instead Benitez chose to keep Dirk on the wing and the tried and failed N'gog up front.
I would be disappointed if Gerrard, Torres, Reina, Carra, Johnson, Agger and maybe Kuyt were to leave
Am resigned to Mascherano and Yossi going no matter who was in charge and I'm not too fussed about the rest of the squad. As long as money is there to replace them all of course.
I wonder if Dalla Valle might get his chance a bit sooner now. It was Hodgson who was trying to buy him for Fulham wasn't it?
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Yeah, it was. He should have played a bit last year when we were desperation short of strikers, but instead Benitez chose to keep Dirk on the wing and the tried and failed N'gog up front.
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True, we'd concede less goals if we just threw a Liverpool shirt on the left sided corner flag each week.
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True, we'd concede less goals if we just threw a Liverpool shirt on the left sided corner flag each week.
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Yeah we may struggle with the offside trap but im convinced the corner flag has more pace
True, we'd concede less goals if we just threw a Liverpool shirt on the left sided corner flag each week.
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Yeah we may struggle with the offside trap but im convinced the corner flag has more pace
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40776.msg1128150#msg1128150 date=1277803577]
True, we'd concede less goals if we just threw a Liverpool shirt on the left sided corner flag each week.
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Yeah we may struggle with the offside trap but im convinced the corner flag has more pace
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And better positioning, obv.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40776.msg1128150#msg1128150 date=1277803577]
True, we'd concede less goals if we just threw a Liverpool shirt on the left sided corner flag each week.
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Yeah we may struggle with the offside trap but im convinced the corner flag has more pace
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And better positioning, obv.
Well we need a new left back anyway as Insua is all we have, which is a terrible state of affairs to be in.
If someone is silly enough to pay any kind of fee for Insua then we should sell and try to get someone decent and hopefully get someone cheap/free or promote a reserve as back up.
If someone is silly enough to pay any kind of fee for Insua then we should sell and try to get someone decent and hopefully get someone cheap/free or promote a reserve as back up.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40776.msg1128154#msg1128154 date=1277803795]
Well we need a new left back anyway as Insua is all we have, which is a terrible state of affairs to be in.
If someone is silly enough to pay any kind of fee for Insua then we should sell and try to get someone decent and hopefully get someone cheap/free or promote a reserve as back up.
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We did that with Insua and he was head and shoulders above the other reserves when he came up.
I think we'd need to get a first teamer and a backup if he's sold.
Unless we get another CB and use Agger as cover for LB. KHL is always on about Kjaer (sp?), although I didn't see much at this world cup to convince me.
Well we need a new left back anyway as Insua is all we have, which is a terrible state of affairs to be in.
If someone is silly enough to pay any kind of fee for Insua then we should sell and try to get someone decent and hopefully get someone cheap/free or promote a reserve as back up.
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We did that with Insua and he was head and shoulders above the other reserves when he came up.
I think we'd need to get a first teamer and a backup if he's sold.
Unless we get another CB and use Agger as cover for LB. KHL is always on about Kjaer (sp?), although I didn't see much at this world cup to convince me.
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40776.msg1128154#msg1128154 date=1277803795]
Well we need a new left back anyway as Insua is all we have, which is a terrible state of affairs to be in.
If someone is silly enough to pay any kind of fee for Insua then we should sell and try to get someone decent and hopefully get someone cheap/free or promote a reserve as back up.
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We did that with Insua and he was head and shoulders above the other reserves when he came up.
I think we'd need to get a first teamer and a backup if he's sold.
Unless we get another CB and use Agger as cover for LB. KHL is always on about Kjaer (sp?), although I didn't see much at this world cup to convince me.
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Hasn't Kelly covered there? I'd like to see him become cover for Johnson though next season.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40776.msg1128154#msg1128154 date=1277803795]
Well we need a new left back anyway as Insua is all we have, which is a terrible state of affairs to be in.
If someone is silly enough to pay any kind of fee for Insua then we should sell and try to get someone decent and hopefully get someone cheap/free or promote a reserve as back up.
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We did that with Insua and he was head and shoulders above the other reserves when he came up.
I think we'd need to get a first teamer and a backup if he's sold.
Unless we get another CB and use Agger as cover for LB. KHL is always on about Kjaer (sp?), although I didn't see much at this world cup to convince me.
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Hasn't Kelly covered there? I'd like to see him become cover for Johnson though next season.
As much as I like Woy, don't you think that he's getting the job because
(1) There is no 'acceptable' takeover in sight
(2) He won't complain when the Board sell Masch, Gerrard & Torres & he gets 15mil back to spend
If we were getting taken over by a gazillionaire on 15th July, do you think we'd be appointing Roy Hodgson now?
Give it a week or so. If Hodgson's not here, then the 15th rumour might be true. If he is here, we ain't getting take over and he's here to allow the owners to service the debt.
(1) There is no 'acceptable' takeover in sight
(2) He won't complain when the Board sell Masch, Gerrard & Torres & he gets 15mil back to spend
If we were getting taken over by a gazillionaire on 15th July, do you think we'd be appointing Roy Hodgson now?
Give it a week or so. If Hodgson's not here, then the 15th rumour might be true. If he is here, we ain't getting take over and he's here to allow the owners to service the debt.
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=40776.msg1128188#msg1128188 date=1277807685]
As much as I like Woy, don't you think that he's getting the job because
(1) There is no 'acceptable' takeover in sight
(2) He won't complain when the Board sell Masch, Gerrard & Torres & he gets 15mil back to spend
If we were getting taken over by a gazillionaire on 15th July, do you think we'd be appointing Roy Hodgson now?
Give it a week or so. If Hodgson's not here, then the 15th rumour might be true. If he is here, we ain't getting take over and he's here to allow the owners to service the debt.
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Agree with most of that, but he's not been hired just for the owners to asset strip.
He's here because he's proven he can over-achieve on a tight budget. Gerrard and Torres will go nowhere.
As much as I like Woy, don't you think that he's getting the job because
(1) There is no 'acceptable' takeover in sight
(2) He won't complain when the Board sell Masch, Gerrard & Torres & he gets 15mil back to spend
If we were getting taken over by a gazillionaire on 15th July, do you think we'd be appointing Roy Hodgson now?
Give it a week or so. If Hodgson's not here, then the 15th rumour might be true. If he is here, we ain't getting take over and he's here to allow the owners to service the debt.
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Agree with most of that, but he's not been hired just for the owners to asset strip.
He's here because he's proven he can over-achieve on a tight budget. Gerrard and Torres will go nowhere.
Fulham came 12th.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40776.msg1128198#msg1128198 date=1277809880]
Fulham came 12th.
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Because they played about 100 games en-route to the Europa Cup final
They finished 6th the season before.
Fulham came 12th.
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Because they played about 100 games en-route to the Europa Cup final
They finished 6th the season before.
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