Our Negative Fans

[LFD]

Is it just me who gets fucked off with fans constant negativity?

Whether it's the constant bashing FSG for everything.

Or when the fans wrote off our chance of getting Top Four last season due to not buying in January.

Or when they did it again after a poor set of results near the end of the season.

Or when we failed to sign a CB in the summer.

Our fans, especially on twitter, just moan about everything. It's draining for fans like me who try to be positive, god knows what it is like for the players who on twitter themselves. Thank fuck our manager isn't on there.

All this negativity does follow to Anfield, where for the majority of home games the last two years - the atmosphere has mostly been poor. It's often flat, full of moans, groans and anxiety through out the place. No surprise this effects the confidence of the players, with 40,000+ dementors sucking the life out of them. It definitely has an influence on performance & results.

I loved the Leicester game two weeks ago. We went 0-1 behind, yet our fans were still positive, supportive, encouraging and I think it was a huge reason why we came back to win. The crowd acted like a 12th man that day, but it's so rare now days.

We saw when we nearly won the league, how electric Anfield can be and influential in getting results. We saw it in 2005 & 2007 in Europe. Klopp saw it at Dortmund, I bet he misses their fans a lot of the time.

We've just sold Coutinho, one of our best players and suddenly the world has ended it seems.

Forget that we're 3 points behind 2nd place, having knocked Everton out of the FA Cup, have Van Dijk who has made a great start, are in the knock out stages of the CL, have Salah, Firmino, Mane etc. & Klopp himself, who got us to top four last season (despite all the fans doubting the team).

OK we've lost Coutinho, it's a blow. But last season our attack got Top Four without Salah. I think we can do it without Coutinho. Especially when our record this season has been better without him. As as good as he is going forward, he can be a liability defensively in midfield.

I wish our fans got behind Klopp & the team more, even FSG - who seem to be backing Klopp. Being constructively critical is fine. I'm talking about the ones who just constantly bash everyone at the club and it's a big percentage of the fans base it seems.

The negativity from our fans are more likely to damage our performance in the 2nd half of the season, than not having Coutinho. If Anfield goes back to the moaning / anxious place it has been too often recently, then we've got a problem.

Klopp has only asked for one thing from the fans, to be 'believers'.

Until our fans have belief and realise that they do have an effect on the team with their support, we're going to struggle, especially at home.

This Coutinho transfer has brought back so many 'doubters' and I think that's far more of an issue than losing the player himself.

I see so much to be positive about, yet all I see is negativity from our fans and it fucks me off.

I'm I alone in thinking that?

I want to look forward, not back and I still back Klopp & this team to get Top Four & do well in the other competitions. But we'd have a far better chance if the fans didn't act like a handbreak and hindering our chances. They can be so special when they want to be, I just wish that was the case more. But it seems it's easier to criticise now day than support.

YNWA

 

[darkstarexodus]

It's just easier to be cynical until we actually win something important again.

 

[LFD]

It's just easier to be cynical until we actually win something important again.

Yet that's less likely to occur while the fans are cynical.

 

[King Emlyn]

Not winning the title for over a quarter of a century and constantly flogging your best players tends to make one slightly negative in fairness

 

[doctor_mac]

We were starry-eyed optimists for years LFD. Year after year of disappointment has turned us into grizzled misanthropes.

 

[LFD]

Not winning the title for over a quarter of a century and constantly flogging your best players tends to make one slightly negative in fairness

But Klopp shouldn't be judged on the last 25 years.

We've sold our best players often in our history and coped just as well, if not better.

Keegan - Dalglish
Rush - Aldridge
Torres - Suarez
Owen - Alonso / Garcia

The key is buying well and we've got a manager who is buying quality in Salah, Mane, VVD, Keita... not to mention his record at Dortmund.

We were starry-eyed optimists for years LFD. Year after year of disappointment has turned us into grizzled misanthropes.

I crave success too, but I don't see how the constant negativity helps us.

Nor do I think a lot of it is fair.

 

[doctor_mac]

I agree mate. There is a lot of BS. I think we're amazingly lucky to have Klopp. I think he's a fantastic fit, and he has turned a team that was busted with the loss of Suarez (and to a lesser extent Sterling and Sturridge- who has never remained fit throughout Klopp's tenure). We're in the CL, and on our day we're a very formidable team.

I don't buy the FSG lizard bollocks either. They've extended Anfield and backed the manager. I think we're absolutely going the right direction. We're allowed a whinge now and again though. It is venting. I think that 99% of Liverpool supporters wouldn't swap Klopp and the 1% are fucking mental. FSG would still have the support of a large majority too.

 

[King Emlyn]

But Klopp shouldn't be judged on the last 25 years.

We've sold our best players often in our history and coped just as well, if not better.

Keegan - Dalglish
Rush - Aldridge
Torres - Suarez
Owen - Alonso / Garcia

The key is buying well and we've got a manager who is buying quality in Salah, Mane, VVD, Keita... not to mention his record at Dortmund.



I crave success too, but I don't see how the constant negativity helps us.

Nor do I think a lot of it is fair.

I’m not judging Klopp on the last 25 years, I’m judging Liverpool. I f you think we’re heading for good times and trophies then good for you, nothing wrong with that, but I don’t, I don’t think the owners are remotely interested in trophies I think they’re only interested in profit, and yes we have sold top players before but not on the industrial scale that we now do, we are Barcelonas’ bitch, I don’t see how this can even be argued. If you want to be positive then that’s fine but it’s utterly beyond me how you can criticise people for being negative when all the evidence points to them being correct.

 

[LFD]

I’m not judging Klopp on the last 25 years, I’m judging Liverpool. I f you think we’re heading for good times and trophies then good for you, nothing wrong with that, but I don’t, I don’t think the owners are remotely interested in trophies I think they’re only interested in profit, and yes we have sold top players before but not on the industrial scale that we now do, we are Barcelonas’ bitch, I don’t see how this can even be argued. If you want to be positive then that’s fine but it’s utterly beyond me how you can criticise people for being negative when all the evidence points to them being correct.

Again you using examples pre Klopp.

If we are going to stop selling players, we need to have success.

The best way of doing that is buying well and the crowd making Anfield a fortress. Klopp is doing the first part. The fans moan at the players, FSG etc yet they are failing to do their part most of the time.

We shouldn't fear losing our best players if we buy well. People still have mental scars of the previous owners not giving the manager the cash from sales. Or previous managers buying awfully when we sold key players (Suarez to Balotelli / Lambert).

But again, now we have Klopp, who is getting backing from the owners. We've signing quality, we are getting Champs League football. We've got so much to be positive about. Yet I mainly just see negativity everywhere. If our fans were creating an amazing atmosphere at Anfield, then I would have no issue with the fans moaning and being negative, as they would be doing their job on match days. But they aren't doing their job, so I find it a bit rich to moan at the club / players / owners / manager etc, when the fans aren't performing themselves.

 

[King Emlyn]

Like I say I have no faith in these owners at all, you are feeling positive, no problem with that, I dont, nowt more to say really.

 

[Modo]

Who the hell is you?
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[Mersey86]

All this negativity does follow to Anfield, where for the majority of home games the last two years - the atmosphere has mostly been poor. It's often flat, full of moans, groans and anxiety through out the place. No surprise this effects the confidence of the players, with 40,000+ dementors sucking the life out of them. It definitely has an influence on performance & results.

I loved the Leicester game two weeks ago. We went 0-1 behind, yet our fans were still positive, supportive, encouraging and I think it was a huge reason why we came back to win. The crowd acted like a 12th man that day, but it's so rare now days.

We saw when we nearly won the league, how electric Anfield can be and influential in getting results. We saw it in 2005 & 2007 in Europe. Klopp saw it at Dortmund, I bet he misses their fans a lot of the time.


Klopp has only asked for one thing from the fans, to be 'believers'.

So true. We complain about top players wanting to leave, and being disenchanted with their attitude. Top players have the right to send the complaints back at us - what do we do to make LFC special? We used to. We're no better than anybody else now.

 

[moron]

@LFD - I don't read any negativity into any of the posts since Countinho left. What I read is a load of supporters who are worried because a very important player has left our club. They have a right to be worried and ask questions about a possible replacement on a similar level and also to question if the sale itself was related to VVD purchase, and the purchase if Keita for next season - I mean add the two figures and they come very close to the Coutinho fee. So is this FSG balancing the books and Klopp being on the same page as them ? - I would rather they be just honest with this.

I don't think anyone is questioning Klopp's ability or his view on the long term plan for this club. But you have to question his overall judgement during transfer windows - yes it's great getting players that are the proven quality and we all get the financial side of things. But last January - it was clear when we were riding top of the league with injuries to key players - something should have been done, nothing was and from position 1, we went to position 4 (just). Last summer - everyone was crying out for a defender and he only has one person in mind (yes he was the right guy) - but still you would think most coaches in his position will have backup plans or secondary options. I am hoping beyond hope that this was a one off risk decision by Klopp. Still - it took him until the humiliation of losing 4-1 to Spurs to sort out and setup the team to defend better with the players we had. Klopp takes time to adjust compared to the likes of Conte/Mourinho/Pep who will address the issue straight away and won't give a shit about hurting a players feelings. Still we love the bloke.

The club has had the last 4 months to look for various options in the event Coutinho would leave - they should have been ready - Coutinho goes out - we get player X. We know the consequences what happens when we fuck this up after Suarez. We may do well better without Coutinho as we have been doing - but I tell you what:-

1) Our attack could easily be one injury away from not being able to score based on the way we setup and play.
2) The Everton game on Friday showed a clear lack of decent orchestration from midfield to attack and a lack of creativity. That's where Coutinho was providing his best service.

Our rivals that sit above us - can compensate for (1) quite easily as they have good enough attackers sitting on their benches. They also have good creators who will keep them creating chances. We NEED to sign someone to fill the hole left by Coutinho - as all our midfielders are sideways passers or run around like crazy donkeys to please te manager. Also - Lallana is not the fucking solution and never will be - so if Klopp is thinking this - then he is going to be very disappointed.

MORON

 

[LFD]

Who the hell is you?
[emoji6]

Who me?

 

[LFD]

@LFD - I don't read any negativity into any of the posts since Countinho left. What I read is a load of supporters who are worried because a very important player has left our club. They have a right to be worried and ask questions about a possible replacement on a similar level and also to question if the sale itself was related to VVD purchase, and the purchase if Keita for next season - I mean add the two figures and they come very close to the Coutinho fee. So is this FSG balancing the books and Klopp being on the same page as them ? - I would rather they be just honest with this.

I don't think anyone is questioning Klopp's ability or his view on the long term plan for this club. But you have to question his overall judgement during transfer windows - yes it's great getting players that are the proven quality and we all get the financial side of things. But last January - it was clear when we were riding top of the league with injuries to key players - something should have been done, nothing was and from position 1, we went to position 4 (just). Last summer - everyone was crying out for a defender and he only has one person in mind (yes he was the right guy) - but still you would think most coaches in his position will have backup plans or secondary options. I am hoping beyond hope that this was a one off risk decision by Klopp. Still - it took him until the humiliation of losing 4-1 to Spurs to sort out and setup the team to defend better with the players we had. Klopp takes time to adjust compared to the likes of Conte/Mourinho/Pep who will address the issue straight away and won't give a shit about hurting a players feelings. Still we love the bloke.

The club has had the last 4 months to look for various options in the event Coutinho would leave - they should have been ready - Coutinho goes out - we get player X. We know the consequences what happens when we fuck this up after Suarez. We may do well better without Coutinho as we have been doing - but I tell you what:-

1) Our attack could easily be one injury away from not being able to score based on the way we setup and play.
2) The Everton game on Friday showed a clear lack of decent orchestration from midfield to attack and a lack of creativity. That's where Coutinho was providing his best service.

Our rivals that sit above us - can compensate for (1) quite easily as they have good enough attackers sitting on their benches. They also have good creators who will keep them creating chances. We NEED to sign someone to fill the hole left by Coutinho - as all our midfielders are sideways passers or run around like crazy donkeys to please te manager. Also - Lallana is not the fucking solution and never will be - so if Klopp is thinking this - then he is going to be very disappointed.

MORON

Concerns are fine.

I'm talking about fans who are just negative all the time. Coutinho has gone and it's all DOOM & GLOOM.

I doubt FSG are just balancing the books with the Coutinho sale to purchase VVD & Keita. But time will tell on that. I suspect we will spend further, might not spend it yet - as our target(s) might not be available until the summer. But I expect further expenditure and big expenditure, but we'll have to wait on that front. As to who is right on that.

We got Top Four last season and the wide player we wanted was Salah (or Brandt) - neither who we could attract in January. I'd rather not panic buy, personally. I hope the same occurs this January, don't buy just to please some fans. Buy the right player, whether that's now or the summer.

Re: Back up plans. I think in certain positions we have loads of options and we move down the list. Dembele to Pulisic to Brandt to Mane to Salah etc etc for wide players.

But in other positions the depth might not be as much, especially for the skills we require. To find a CB with the skillset as good as VVD, is tough. For Keita almost impossible, given his uniqueness. So that's why we waited and I'm glad we did, as they're both incredible.

Don't really agree about your defending comment with Klopp. We're defending pretty much the same way, just doing it better.

Yes we had time to seek a replacement. Doesn't mean we can get that player yet. Lemar for example, they might not wish to sell now. Do we get the 2nd choice instead? I back Klopp's judgement on that, as to whether he feels the 2nd choice is good enough or if he simply wants to wait to get the right man, like he did with VVD & Keita.

I don't see how our attack is only one injury away from not being able to score?

We've won plenty of games this season without Coutinho, actually our record is better without him. So maybe the guile isn't quite as essential as you feel?!

I don't think we need to worry about creating chances personally. Mane, Salah, Firmino, Lallana, Ox etc - should be fine in that regard. Which is why we still score plenty of goals, without Coutinho.

Were you not happy with Lallana at the beginning of last season? I thought he was brilliant in that deeper CM role. Key in our early season form.

But eve if I disagree with a lot of those fears. I don't mind that opinion as it's all with reasoning. I'm sure you support the team great at Anfield. I'm sure you see positives at the club.

I'm talking about fans who just moan at everything and Anfield being shit as a result of all the negativity. That's different to constructive fears. I'm talking about deconstructive negativity and hindering our players, atmosphere and chances as a result.

 

[darkstarexodus]

It's all just emotional shielding, right? We are mostly all still caring and as passionate as years past - but we've been let down so many times that being cynical is just protecting against the worst case scenario. Because the worst case is all too often what we've gotten in recent years.

It's just a bit of doublethink. Van Dijk is massively overpriced - but Virgil is the best defender in the world. Coutinho is a magician - but the rat bastard won't be missed. It's just easier this way.

 

[LFD]

It's all just emotional shielding, right? We are mostly all still caring and as passionate as years past - but we've been let down so many times that being cynical is just protecting against the worst case scenario. Because the worst case is all too often what we've gotten in recent years.

It's just a bit of doublethink. Van Dijk is massively overpriced - but Virgil is the best defender in the world. Coutinho is a magician - but the rat bastard won't be missed. It's just easier this way.

You're right & I definitely can understand it.

I just wish it didn't filter into Anfield during match days and effect the atmosphere.

 

[darkstarexodus]

You're right & I definitely can understand it.

I just wish it didn't filter into Anfield during match days and effect the atmosphere.

That's fair enough but it's hard to blame people. Especially the last few years under Rodgers and Klopp, the failure to break down resolute defences or to protect leads, the failure to capitalize on big wins by beating minnows. It's infuriating really.

 

[davud graham]

We haven't won the league since 1990 after dominating for the previous 2 decades so it's a wonder that we have any positive fans. Too many false dawns and losing important players at the wrong times have made us justifiably cynical and i don't see that changing until we get the league title monkey off our backs unfortunately.

 

[Dreambeliever]

We've won one trophy in what 11 years?

Can't blame any fan for the negativity considering we won 9 in the previous 5 so ya.

 

[Mamma Mia]

I think it's interesting that Klopp came in and immediately spoke about the need to change doubters to believers. I think he was referring to the players and the fans.

He did an interesting interview in German last week. At the end of it, he talks about how a big challenge it has been to get players to not let their heads drop or make desperate attempts when we are a goal down and not finishing chances in a game. He mentioned that there's been progress among the players, as evidenced by recent comebacks or late goals where we have just kept doing the same things patiently in a game until the goal comes.

The relevance to this thread is that he speaks about the change with the players, but notes that it hasn't extended to the "viewers" yet.

Recent match threads here are a great example. See comments in the first 20min of the Brighton game, where we ended up winning 5-1 for reference.

Of course internet forum posts have little effect on results, but the OP's point about it spilling into the match going fans is pertinent. You can sense the frustration in the stadium when we don't score early or when we concede an equaliser.

Edit: Here's the interview. LFC related talk starts at around the 11th minute.

 

[manwithnoname]

You're right & I definitely can understand it.

I just wish it didn't filter into Anfield during match days and effect the atmosphere.

How much do you sing when you're at the match?

Do you have a preferred tactic for getting the fans around you to join in and get behind the team, especially when the crowd is flat and quiet?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

The relevance to this thread is that he speaks about the change with the players, but notes that it hasn't extended to the "viewers" yet.

Recent match threads here are a great example. See comments in the first 20min of the Brighton game, where we ended up winning 5-1 for reference.

Of course internet forum posts have little effect on results, but the OP's point about it spilling into the match going fans is pertinent. You can sense the frustration in the stadium when we don't score early or when we concede an equaliser.

I think this has become the norm sir with most fans of teams whom expect victories/trophies ... THere's little patience etc -

 

[Insignificance]

How much do you sing when you're at the match?

Do you have a preferred tactic for getting the fans around you to join in and get behind the team, especially when the crowd is flat and quiet?

What a fucking daft comment.... then again daft people make daft comments so no surprise there.

I guess it is ok to discuss fans in general without making it about one person. It's just as smart as when imigration are discussed in the media and the really bright ones in the commentary field allways ask "So how many imigrants can stay in your house?".

There are many reasons for atmosphere to die out. And there are reasons for fans being negative. Do they have to be negative as default since we have not won the league for so long? Depends on the general state of affairs. I think we are in a positive situation all things considered and are moving in the right direction. We have a long term plan and seem to stick to it. Klopp has a strong and stubborn view on how he wants the whole club to look like, and I am more happy that he overseas the progress on a long term contract than i.e. Mourinho who you know is out the door in 3 seasons Max. Is all perfect? No, but things can be rectified and developed. But of course it takes time if you have a certain limitation to your resources.

We aim for titles and we live for them. Does it mean we are shit if we don't win them? Nah... there is a lot of clubs in out situation that can either just give up everything or continue working. The likes of Rome, Dortmund and At Madrid i.e. are all relatively proud clubs with a strong historie that has long periods without the glory they crave for. The only thing they can do is to keep on working hard and be the club their fans want them to be. They will defo not do everything right, but that doesn' mean everything is complete shit either.

 

[davud graham]

It may well be different for the younger generation of fans who haven't seen the club win the league but as an arl arse who's been going regularly since 1984 i'm wary of getting excited about the team as usually they disappoint me and the more often it happens the worse it is. It's easier to expect very little and then the rewards of winning something feel so much better like in Istanbul or in 2001 with the cup treble. I can only imagine it must be 100 times worse for a supporter of a club like Everton who's capacity for disappointment must be beyond belief. For them winning a corner against us is seen as the dawn of a new era of success rather than just a deflected cross that leads to nothing. Fuck them the blueshite clowns I hope they never win anything ever again.

 

[Molbystwin]

I agree the negativity has been exceptional this season even on here I got sick of reading posts laden with whinge and oddly enough we've looked flipping lethal going forward and playing very entertaining stuff...

Some of the whinging was perturbing to say the least...

As for FSG, well in truth they did buy one of the biggest clubs in world football for a low price and they haven't really gone out of there way to financially to supplement the team, but by the same token, they haven't been shit. Selling Coutinho was upsetting and worrying for our chances, this season, I for one was looking forward to the knockout stages of the CL and now I am more pessimistic due to the sale. The article in the Telegraph which discusses how we were really left with no choice over the deal, Coutinho personally put forward 9M to the deal, says it all really... The fucker wanted to go and wouldn't wait.

Sadly I was optimistically thinking we would finish second and have a really good run or possibly sneak in No.6 in the CL... that's taken a big hit... but you can't point the finger at FSG nor Klopp for that.

It isn't done and dusted yet and we can still chase into the top 4 and who knows, I reckon we have a better squad now than we did in 2005...

I agree though, whining does not help at all, however, a 12th man definitely does.

 

[Insignificance]

I agree the negativity has been exceptional this season even on here I got sick of reading posts laden with whinge and oddly enough we've looked flipping lethal going forward and playing very entertaining stuff...

Some of the whinging was perturbing to say the least...

As for FSG, well in truth they did buy one of the biggest clubs in world football for a low price and they haven't really gone out of there way to financially to supplement the team, but by the same token, they haven't been shit. Selling Coutinho was upsetting and worrying for our chances, this season, I for one was looking forward to the knockout stages of the CL and now I am more pessimistic due to the sale. The article in the Telegraph which discusses how we were really left with no choice over the deal, Coutinho personally put forward 9M to the deal, says it all really... The fucker wanted to go and wouldn't wait.

Sadly I was optimistically thinking we would finish second and have a really good run or possibly sneak in No.6 in the CL... that's taken a big hit... but you can't point the finger at FSG nor Klopp for that.

It isn't done and dusted yet and we can still chase into the top 4 and who knows, I reckon we have a better squad now than we did in 2005...

I agree though, whining does not help at all, however, a 12th man definitely does.

I actually think we did the right thing regarding the Coutinho saga. When they came in the summer With that fucking arrogant shithouse agent, who actually had his first paycheck 6 months earlier securing Phil a long term contract With no release clause, we told them to fuck off. Their offer was way below Our valuation and their add ons could never be gained. So even if we probably wanted rid off him then we were not ready to be shafted by them.

When they came before xmas we took all the Money they had, so much we took that in addition we also took a lot of the Money Phil has and we probably left nada for the agent. So it means that they got their man, but it cost them. The Money the got from Neymar is now gone, and we could probably not get any more without having to keep him and in that case we would never talk about anything else than Coutinho until the summer was here.

 

[Molbystwin]

I actually think we did the right thing regarding the Coutinho saga. When they came in the summer With that fucking arrogant shithouse agent, who actually had his first paycheck 6 months earlier securing Phil a long term contract With no release clause, we told them to fuck off. Their offer was way below Our valuation and their add ons could never be gained. So even if we probably wanted rid off him then we were not ready to be shafted by them.

When they came before xmas we took all the Money they had, so much we took that in addition we also took a lot of the Money Phil has and we probably left nada for the agent. So it means that they got their man, but it cost them. The Money the got from Neymar is now gone, and we could probably not get any more without having to keep him and in that case we would never talk about anything else than Coutinho until the summer was here.

No the right thing to do would have been to say FUCK OFF Barca until the summer...

But as the article says in the Telegraph the player power won the day.

Sad.

 

[Insignificance]

No the right thing to do would have been to say FUCK OFF Barca until the summer...

But as the article says in the Telegraph the player power won the day.

Sad.

Money Power won it. Instead of saying fuck off Barca, Klopp took their and Coutinhos Money and said fuck off Coutinho.

 

[mark1975]

Constant negativity is about as apparent on here as the CDNW brigade who blow smoke up the club and Klopp's arse at every opportunity and will find a positive in anything. "We play better without Coutinho", blah blah.

It's just as irritating as "negativity", which often isn't negativity at all, but maybe a bit of cynicism and actual perspective.

See the Coutinho thread, there's some hilarious posts in there from the same people who crucified the club under previous regimes for the same stuff. We were selling our best players under G&H, we still do.