Other Team Chat

[Ryan]

Didn't know where to put this, so I've started a new thread. Deal with it.

Everton's midfield - Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Pienaar, Osman, Rodwell, Bilyaletdinov. That's fucking quality. 'Better than ours' I think LarryHagman suggested recently. It certainly could be argued.

Chelsea's bench at the weekend against Wolves - Hilario, Bruma, Matic, Kalou, Sturridge, Kakuta, Borini. That stunned me when I saw it. Now there may be some potential in there, but where the fuck has the rest of their side gone to? Have they loads of injuries?

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

They are all at home keeping watch for JT.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Dont thank me Ryan, but a squad list with injuries in red.

Cech
Hilario
Turnbull
Defenders »
Terry
Cole A
Ivanovic
Carvalho
Bosingwa
Belletti
Alex
Ferreira
Zhirkov
Bruma
Hutchinson
Midfielders »
Lampard
Ballack
Malouda
Essien
Cole J
Deco
Mikel
Kalou
Matic
Kakuta
Forwards »
Drogba
Anelka
Sturridge
Borini

 

[SaintGeorge67]

They were saying rodwell will end up a centre back when he "establishes" himself. He looks fantastic.

 

[Ryan]

Zhirkov set up their first goal at the weekend mate. He's fucking quality too, but that's a seperate debate.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39030.msg1058888#msg1058888 date=1266966599]
They were saying rodwell will end up a centre back when he "establishes" himself. He looks fantastic.
[/quote]

Yeah Keniget and I were chatting about that a while back. That's disappointing if true.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058889#msg1058889 date=1266966631]
Zhirkov set up their first goal at the weekend mate. He's fucking quality too, but that's a seperate debate.
[/quote]

With the new A.Cole rumours of a possible exit, I wonder would they cash in knowing Zhirkov is waiting in the wings. Cole is a cracking player mind, he would fetch in excess of 20million. Especially if Zhirkov cost the best part of 16million, Bosswinga 16 million, Glenjo 17million etc.

 

[Ryan]

Cole is 30 this year, there's no way they'd get "in excess of 20M'.

 

[franklyfrank]

Yep Everton have a super midfield and an very strong squad overall when everyone's fit..
- Osman's massively under-rated. I'm shocked he still hasn't had a look in for England.

I'm of the opinion they're every bit as good as Villa and Spurs on their day - although i think ourselves and City have players
in the world class bracket...The others imo don't have that.

 

[franklyfrank]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058913#msg1058913 date=1266968412]
Cole is 30 this year, there's no way they'd get "in excess of 20M'.
[/quote]

Is he really? 😱

Fucking hell where do the years go,

It seems like yesterday when he was only 21 or 22 making a name for himself at Arsenal.

 

[Ryan]

'fraid so FranklyFrank.

Not that I'd be arsed, he's a wonderful lef-back and I'd have him our side regardless of the big whopping cunt he is.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Evertons' midfield is certainly better quality than ours'. But they lack steel, ballwinners, and an overall shape. Cahill doesn't really have a 'position' when Fellaini is fit, he is neither a CM or an attacker. Plus they are laden with small technical players who are all dangerous from central positions. They end up playing Arteta, Pienaar and Osman wide where they drift inside. Baines gives them width down the left, but they are pretty narrow right. A GlenJo player would make them a real threat to the top 4.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=39030.msg1058931#msg1058931 date=1266968875]
Evertons' midfield is certainly better quality than ours'. But they lack steel, ballwinners, and an overall shape. Cahill doesn't really have a 'position' when Fellaini is fit, he is neither a CM or an attacker. Plus they are laden with small technical players who are all dangerous from central positions. They end up playing Arteta, Pienaar and Osman wide where they drift inside. Baines gives them width down the left, but they are pretty narrow right. A GlenJo player would make them a real threat to the top 4.
[/quote]

Cahill fits well into that side in my opinion Nessie. Moyes rarely goes for more than 1 up front (usually Saha), so Cahill's attacking midfield role compliments him well. It'll be interesting to see what side he goes with if he gets everyone fit. I suspect Fellaini will always play the defensive midfield role, with Arteta Pienaar and Osman floating around. I like the look of Bilay too, although he's a bit too inconsistent at this stage to be playing regularly.

Phil Neville's in the form of his life at right back (and should be in the World Cup squad), and as you say Baines is decent on the other side. If they get Jagielka fit, there aren't too many weak links in that side. Howard maybe, whom I don't really rate.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058913#msg1058913 date=1266968412]
Cole is 30 this year, there's no way they'd get "in excess of 20M'.
[/quote]

Fucking hell. Can't believe he is 30 this year.

 

[franklyfrank]

Ferdinand out of the Carling Cup final, recurrence of his back injury.

The goofy looking cunt seems to becoming pretty injury prone.

Capello's bound to be concerned now.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39030.msg1058956#msg1058956 date=1266970172]
Ferdinand out of the Carling Cup final, recurrence of his back injury.

The goofy looking cunt seems to becoming pretty injury prone.

Capello's bound to be concerned now.
[/quote]

Indeed. I think that centre back pairing (Terry and Ferdinand) could be a problem at the WC even if they're fit. Their club form of late has been shite.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058940#msg1058940 date=1266969213]
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=39030.msg1058931#msg1058931 date=1266968875]
Evertons' midfield is certainly better quality than ours'. But they lack steel, ballwinners, and an overall shape. Cahill doesn't really have a 'position' when Fellaini is fit, he is neither a CM or an attacker. Plus they are laden with small technical players who are all dangerous from central positions. They end up playing Arteta, Pienaar and Osman wide where they drift inside. Baines gives them width down the left, but they are pretty narrow right. A GlenJo player would make them a real threat to the top 4.
[/quote]

Cahill fits well into that side in my opinion Nessie. Moyes rarely goes for more than 1 up front (usually Saha), so Cahill's attacking midfield role compliments him well. It'll be interesting to see what side he goes with if he gets everyone fit. I suspect Fellaini will always play the defensive midfield role , with Arteta Pienaar and Osman floating around. I like the look of Bilay too, although he's a bit too inconsistent at this stage to be playing regularly.

Phil Neville's in the form of his life at right back (and should be in the World Cup squad), and as you say Baines is decent on the other side. If they get Jagielka fit, there aren't too many weak links in that side. Howard maybe, whom I don't really rate.
[/quote]
I think he is just as, if not more dangerous than Cahill playing behind the lone striker. Blues who I know are adamant they are not sure of his best position, and neither is Moyes.

He is a bit pacey, we could sure do with a few of his sort! Lacking with his final touch or ball at the moment but is a decent outlet, especially at home.

 

[Ryan]

Fellaini's future is as the defensive midfielder 'Vieira-type' role mate. That's my guess anyway.

 

[LarryHagman]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058970#msg1058970 date=1266970528]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39030.msg1058956#msg1058956 date=1266970172]
Ferdinand out of the Carling Cup final, recurrence of his back injury.

The goofy looking cunt seems to becoming pretty injury prone.

Capello's bound to be concerned now.
[/quote]

Indeed. I think that centre back pairing (Terry and Ferdinand) could be a problem at the WC even if they're fit. Their club form of late has been shite.
[/quote]

Was thinking the same myself. How many games will Cole & Johnson have played come WC time? Terry looks affected and out of form, Ferdinand is always crocked. England's defence might be a problem. Who are the other options?

As for Everton, I think they are 2 good, experienced signings off being a real, consistent threat for 4th. If they stay injury free, which they've never been able to.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39030.msg1058990#msg1058990 date=1266971277]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058970#msg1058970 date=1266970528]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39030.msg1058956#msg1058956 date=1266970172]
Ferdinand out of the Carling Cup final, recurrence of his back injury.

The goofy looking cunt seems to becoming pretty injury prone.

Capello's bound to be concerned now.
[/quote]

Indeed. I think that centre back pairing (Terry and Ferdinand) could be a problem at the WC even if they're fit. Their club form of late has been shite.
[/quote]

Was thinking the same myself. How many games will Cole & Johnson have played come WC time? Terry looks affected and out of form, Ferdinand is always crocked. England's defence might be a problem. Who are the other options?

[/quote]

If Cole has only played 1 game before the WC, Capello will still pick him. A half-fit Cole is still a million times better than Bridge. Baines might make the squad, but you don't want to be startign with him in a World Cup.

I'm not sure Capello will go with Glenjo. A right-side of him and Lennon could and will be exploited by decent teams. I'd pick Phil Neville, but then I'm dead controversial like that.

 

[ILD]

I agree about Neville playing well at the mo, but Johnson is nailed on for that RB position.

 

[franklyfrank]

Definitely think P.Neville should be in the England squad for the World Cup.

That experience and versatility would serve England well i reckon.

 

[Mistadobalina]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39030.msg1058880#msg1058880 date=1266965775]
Didn't know where to put this, so I've started a new thread. Deal with it.

Everton's midfield - Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Pienaar, Osman, Rodwell, Bilyaletdinov. That's fucking quality. 'Better than ours' I think LarryHagman suggested recently. It certainly could be argued.

[/quote]

I was thinking this watching them beat the mancs...They are on the up and we should be glancing nervously over our shoulder. Especially if we continue to slide and say Mascher leaves this summer.

Take Gerrard as a forward and id swap our midfield for theirs, which is a shocking state to be in.

 

[manwithnoname]

I'm not sure Capello will go with Glenjo. A right-side of him and Lennon could and will be exploited by decent teams. I'd pick Phil Neville, but then I'm dead controversial like that.

ie wrong and talking shit

 

[the_khl]

Evertons got quality in their side - such as Villa and Spurs - but I'd never ever swap their current crop of midfielders with ours? Would any of you?

Here's how I see it:

Gerrard > Cahill
Masher > Felliani
Kuyt > Bilyatwhatshisname
Lucas = Osman
Arteta > Aquilani (this could change mind)
Pienaar = Riera/Maxi

Rodwell, well, he's still very young so hard to judge really, I'm not so sure I'd take him over Pacheco mind. I'd propbably take him over Babel though.

There is simply no way Evertons midfield is stronger than ours. Nor has it got more quality.

 

[Judge Jules]

Osman's miles better than Lucas going forward. Agree otherwise.

As for Neville Minor, quite a few of his best displays have been as DM. He was playing well for United at fullback when he dropped a few clangers for England and I would not pick him there at international level again.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39030.msg1059024#msg1059024 date=1266973122]
Definitely think P.Neville should be in the England squad for the World Cup.

That experience and versatility would serve England well i reckon.


[/quote]

Not a chance Frank. The player Everton miss most and the player who should be a certainty for the England squad if he proves his fitness is Jagielka. He is a superb player and equally adept at CB, CM or even as a stop-gap fullback. His versatility coupled with his ability would ensure his selection in my squad.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39030.msg1058920#msg1058920 date=1266968568]
Yep Everton have a super midfield and an very strong squad overall when everyone's fit..
- Osman's massively under-rated. I'm shocked he still hasn't had a look in for England.

I'm of the opinion they're every bit as good as Villa and Spurs on their day - although i think ourselves and City have players
in the world class bracket...The others imo don't have that.


[/quote]
Osman? Massively under-rated? He's up against the likes of Barry, Gerrard, Lampard at international for the role he plays. No wonder he doesn't get a look in.

 

[Hansern]

Phil Neville in the World Cup squad? Holy fuck. I know you want England to fail, but thats just torture.

No one of the Nevilles should be anywhere near England. They shouldn't even be allowed to watch their games.

Phil Neville is shite, one good game against the Mancs doesn't change that.
BUT, if an early exit is preferable. Then play him, he'll most definetly conceed a penalty.

 

[franklyfrank]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=39030.msg1059200#msg1059200 date=1267015191]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39030.msg1058920#msg1058920 date=1266968568]
Yep Everton have a super midfield and an very strong squad overall when everyone's fit..
- Osman's massively under-rated. I'm shocked he still hasn't had a look in for England.

I'm of the opinion they're every bit as good as Villa and Spurs on their day - although i think ourselves and City have players
in the world class bracket...The others imo don't have that.


[/quote]
Osman? Massively under-rated? He's up against the likes of Barry, Gerrard, Lampard at international for the role he plays. No wonder he doesn't get a look in.
[/quote]

Eh, Did i say he should be starting ahead of them ???
- there's no harm in putting him in a squad though for one of these friendlies to see how he fairs.

Btw he wouldn't necessarily be competing with Gerrard, Lampard etc as he can play across the midfield - so he'd be competing with the likes of SWP, Downing etc for a place in the SQUAD.