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O'Neill and Keane - The Irish Managerial "dreamteam"

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Rosco

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It's happening, the contracts are being finalised at present and this will be announced soon enough.
If nothing else it will be entertaining.

There's a number of tricky relationships to manage in this - Keane has been totally critical of most of the present squad for a while. We might see some big changes.

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The news that Martin O’Neill and Roy Keane are to take over the running of the Irish team is the most exciting thing to happen in Irish football since . . . well, since the golden interlude between the moment we heard that Giovanni Trapattoni would take the job, and the moment we realised that Don Givens had perhaps exaggerated slightly when he said Trapattoni could speak fluent English.

The partnership promises intelligence, articulacy, harsh truths and the possibility of spectacular bust-ups.

Whatever eventually causes it to careen off the rails, the Ireland of O’Neill and Keane will be more exciting to follow than the increasingly forlorn team that spent the last few years being patronised by Trapattoni.

The fascination begins with the question of how, exactly, the partnership is meant to work. One traditional model of the manager/assistant dynamic is that the manager oversees the big picture while the assistant looks after the details of coaching. But neither O’Neill nor Keane have the reputation of being hands-on, “coaching managers” who take training every day.

Confront players
Another model is that the assistant is the Good Cop. The manager thrashes the players, and then the assistant manager builds them back up: “He only says that because he knows you can do better . . . get your head down and work hard – you can show him!”

Who can see Keane in that arm-around-the-shoulder role? His approach has usually been to confront his players (or his team-mates, or even his managers) with forthright criticism, without any effort to sweeten the pill – the apparent rationale being that if they couldn’t take it, then they shouldn’t be there.

Keane told Tom Humphries in 2009 that he suspected things had gone awry at Sunderland when Niall Quinn started talking to him about the need for players to be coming to work with smiles on their faces: “Players had been taking the piss out of the club for years,” Keane said. “If they wanted them smiling all the time they should have employed Roy Chubby Brown.”

O’Neill may instead have envisaged an innovative Bad Cop/Bad Cop/Good Cop structure with the role of Good Cop earmarked for coach Steve Walford, whose role in O’Neill’s Celtic regime was described by Alan Stubbs in his book, How Football Saved My Life.

“Wally was so laid back he was lucky he didn’t fall over more often,” Stubbs writes. “The contrast with the intensity that Martin brought couldn’t have been greater. Wally would take the training during the week, and he’d bring with him this relaxed, carefree style. He’d keep things simple and was great at coaching. I don’t know how many times we trained on a Tuesday (Wednesday would be our day off) and Wally would say, ‘Right, today we are going to f*****g train for an hour and a half and then I am going to f**k off. I’m going down to London to see my friends and get pissed.’

“We’d all be laughing away at this, and if anyone asked if they could train longer he’d shake his head. ‘One hour thirty minutes and that is f*****g it. I’m f*****g going in now, and you can f**k off.’

Mutual hostility

If this manager/assistant dynamic poses some fascinating questions, more fascinating still is the question of the assistant/chief executive dynamic.

The relationship between Keane and John Delaney has been characterised by mutual hostility. In 2009, Keane mocked the FAI’s complaints about Thierry Henry’s handball: “John Delaney? He’s on about honesty and integrity? I wouldn’t take any notice of that man.” Delaney retorted: “I thought the images shown around the world on Friday were sad. It’s sad to see a great former player reflected in that manner. It’s time to forget about Saipan and move on, because everyone else has.”

In May 2012, Keane attended an Irish Guide Dogs press event that coincided with the 10-year anniversary of Saipan. Again, he did not have many kind words for Delaney, who responded: “Roy should just let it go. Roy has a lot to say a lot of the time, he was a great man to tell us to get over things a while ago. I think for his own sake he should get over himself.”

‘There for the craic’

During Euro 2012, Keane wrote in his column for the Irish Sun. “Is it any wonder that people think we’re just there for the craic when the chief executive of the FAI is pictured dancing on tables or is videoed effing and blinding to Irish fans late at night to supporters who are the worse for wear.

“What other chief executive would carry on like that? We’re all entitled to a night out but do it discreetly. How can he be expected to be taken seriously? And how, as a nation, can we be expected to be taken seriously when we’re happy to go along with that image?”

After all that, it looked unlikely that Keane would work for an organisation in which Delaney was calling the shots. Instead, O’Neill’s regard for Keane has given Delaney the chance to show that he too can move on, let it go, get over it. It must be a happy day for the FAI’s chief executive, and Irish fans will follow the story of Delaney and Keane almost as avidly as they follow what happens out on the pitch.[/article]
 
It looks like it's going to be the good cop bad cop routine for the Irish side. Play well and O'Neill takes you out for a burger and a milkshake, play badly and Keane tries to ruin your career with a tackle.

Could be interesting.
 
I was delighted when O'Neill's name was first suggested as a potential manager but I'm less excited now. I hate Keane after the Japan/Korea debacle and his subsequent stints as manager and pundit have made me hate him even more. I very much doubt O'Neill will be able to keep him under control and their relationship will sour very soon at the expense of the Irish team performances.

Even if I'm wrong and we have a few successful (by Irish standards) years the thought of O'Neill retiring in about 5 years time leaving his number 2 to take charge is too scary to contemplate.
 
I was delighted when O'Neill's name was first suggested as a potential manager but I'm less excited now. I hate Keane after the Japan/Korea debacle and his subsequent stints as manager and pundit have made me hate him even more. I very much doubt O'Neill will be able to keep him under control and their relationship will sour very soon at the expense of the Irish team performances.

Even if I'm wrong and we have a few successful (by Irish standards) years the thought of O'Neill retiring in about 5 years time leaving his number 2 to take charge is too scary to contemplate.

O'Neill would have been the popular choice - and given the poor ticket sales would have been one factor in Trappatoni going picking Keane as number two is going to give half the fan base a further excuse to stay away.

It's not like he's had anything like even a half decent success in his own managerial career , so for O'Neill to bring him in is curious.

Maybe he shares keane's concerns about how the squad treats international get togethers and wants to stamp out the nonsense.
 
O'Neill would have been the popular choice - and given the poor ticket sales would have been one factor in Trappatoni going picking Keane as number two is going to give half the fan base a further excuse to stay away.

It's not like he's had anything like even a half decent success in his own managerial career , so for O'Neill to bring him in is curious.

Maybe he shares keane's concerns about how the squad treats international get togethers and wants to stamp out the nonsense.
There is an outside chance that Keane might actually behave himself; learn from O'Neill and become a better manager (and improved people-skills) BUT this is very unlikely and IMO Keane will create havoc sometime soon.
 
O'Neill would have been the popular choice - and given the poor ticket sales would have been one factor in Trappatoni going picking Keane as number two is going to give half the fan base a further excuse to stay away.

It's not like he's had anything like even a half decent success in his own managerial career , so for O'Neill to bring him in is curious.

Maybe he shares keane's concerns about how the squad treats international get togethers and wants to stamp out the nonsense.


I think Keane's term as Sunderland manager was relatively successful. He got them promoted and they are in the top flight for their longest term in a long time on the back of it. He wasn't hugely successful in the premier league with them, but he kept them up in the first season and probably would have the second season if he hadn't resigned.

I'm not saying he'll ever be a good manager, but I think he could have value in a set up like this.

Either way, I don't think we'll do too well no matter who the manager is, we don't really have any top players, too many average ones. But at least this might be a little more entertaining.
 
MON's manic positivity, so close to Keane's fierce negativity, will trigger a nuclear reaction that will probably wipe out Sligo. So it won't be all bad.
 
MON's manic positivity, so close to Keane's fierce negativity, will trigger a nuclear reaction that will probably wipe out Sligo. So it won't be all bad.

Not Sligo! I like Sligo.......................Limerick is the best place for that nuclear reaction because nobody would notice any difference, the place is a dump and the locals are all deformed.
 
Not Sligo! I like Sligo.......................Limerick is the best place for that nuclear reaction because nobody would notice any difference, the place is a dump and the locals are all deformed.

That also means that any survivors would have radioactive knives to stab each other with.
 
Not Sligo! I like Sligo.......................Limerick is the best place for that nuclear reaction because nobody would notice any difference, the place is a dump and the locals are all deformed.


Good call. Limerick it is, it is.
 
He's no Red Setter, for this one. Of course this is going to end in tears. Keano can't keep a lid on it, unless he's finally seen it as a liability. I'd just be curious to see why MON thinks this as a good idea as he's a fairly shrewd cookie. IN fairness though, the players will be disciplined when Keane is around, and it might border on fear. But he's the best player to come out of Ireland in his generation, so he does have a lot to great experience to impart (at the end of the day). He's a PL winner many times over and a (kinda) CL winner
 
He's no Red Setter, for this one. Of course this is going to end in tears. Keano can't keep a lid on it, unless he's finally seen it as a liability. I'd just be curious to see why MON thinks this as a good idea as he's a fairly shrewd cookie. IN fairness though, the players will be disciplined when Keane is around, and it might border on fear. But he's the best player to come out of Ireland in his generation, so he does have a lot to great experience to impart (at the end of the day). He's a PL winner many times over and a (kinda) CL winner


The important decision will be who is the third person who comes in to actually coach the feckers. MON doesn't coach. I think Keane has his badges but he's no coach. So they'll be a fat lot of good outside of match day.
 

they make a cute couple at least! I don't get it yet, unless Roy will in fact be the coach...
 
O’Neill and Keane take the reins
Full steam ahead for good ship SS Republic of Ireland


It was a fair old indication of the global interest in the Chosen Two appointed to steer our national football team in the direction of good times that, by yesterday evening, if you typed “O’Neill, Keane, Ireland” into the Google machine you got 28,800,000 results in 0.34 seconds.

And that’s roughly the length of time some prophets of doom reckon Roy’s spell working for, of all people, the Football Association of Ireland will last.

But, the FAI Chief Executive John Delaney insisted when he turned up on NewsTalk yesterday to confirm that Martin O’Neill and Roy Keane would, indeed, be the shiny new Republic of Ireland management team, bygones were entirely bygones, he and Roy had made up, and it was full steam ahead for the good ship SS Republic of Ireland.

“We discussed the past for about 30 seconds,” he told Pat Kenny, but for privacy reasons he opted not to reveal the nature of the chat.

You’d imagine, though, it might have gone something like this:
RK: “You were completely and totally wrong about Saipan John, right?” JD: “I absolutely was Roy, I can never apologise enough.” RK: “Up off your knees man, get over it, like.”

Even the Times of Oman was breathlessly covering the story, Getty churning out photos of the pair later in the day when they turned up in Spain on ITV punditry duty for the Champions League game between Real Sociedad and Manchester United.

“Republic of Ireland manager Roy Keane and his assistant Martin O’Neill,” read the early captions, possibly – but we’ll have to wait and see – the mother of all Freudian slips.

ITV’s in depth interview with the pair – both bedecked in poppies, which led some angry sorts on the Twitter machine to withdraw their support before a Republic of Ireland ball was kicked under the new regime – lasted a whole 54 seconds.

Adrian Chiles: “Martin, the question on everyone’s lips, why choose Roy to work with?”
Martin: “I’ve asked myself that many a time in the last 48 hours.
Roy: [Chuckle]
Martin: “Personally speaking, I think he’ll be great for me, but more importantly he’ll be great for the Republic of Ireland.”
Roy: “Very excited – I mightn’t look it, but I am.”
Adrian: “It’s Yin and Yang. I don’t know who’s Yin and who’s Yang, but it’s a marriage made in heaven. Possibly?”
Roy: [Cheeky grin] Martin: “Well, I think I’m the bad cop — and I think he’s the bad, bad cop.”
It called to mind Celtic manager Neil Lennon’s response when he heard of the imminent appointments: “God help the players.”

Friday week, it’s Latvia in Dublin. Before the appointment of the Chosen Two, it’d have been like a home game for the visitors. Now? People are selling their grannies to get tickets.

Even if it only lasts 0.34 seconds, it’ll be a heckuva trip.
 
My houesmate is sick. He's from Cork and hates Keane with a passion and is a massive UTD fan.

It's alot of fun posting the latest news articles on his FB
 
Not Sligo! I like Sligo.......................Limerick is the best place for that nuclear reaction because nobody would notice any difference, the place is a dump and the locals are all deformed.
Much as I look forward to the day when Limerick is wiped off the face of this earth, please ensure the wind is blowing from the north that day as collateral damage from nuclear fallout in Cork & Kerry is acceptable when the alternative is an impact on God's own county.
 
It's only a 2 year contract! I can't imagine that was the decision of the the FAI so that's probably O'Neills choice. It's a very unusually short contract for an International manager, I've never heard of such a contract that didn't include a World Cup qualification during the term.
 
Delighted O'Neill got the job as he was my number 1 choice. Pity it had to be ruined with that other knacker cunt getting his nose in.
 
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