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Observersations for the stoke game

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spider-Neil

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Never let it be said that kenny’s time out of the game has affect his judgement.

1) 3 central defenders on one stoke lone striker
Fantastic tactics as it meant when stoke pumped the ball forwards even if the burly forward won the first ball there were always a couple of centre backs on hand to win the second ball. Totally snuffing out stoke’s aerial threat

2) Playing Johnson and Kelly almost as wingbacks
Ensured there was good width or at least passing options out wide despite using lucas, aurelio, gerrard and meireles through the middle. Johnson is enjoying a return to form and is always direct and Kelly has all but made the right fullback position his own.

3) Aurelio is a gifted footballer who has been held back by injuries. He passes pretty much always find their mark and more often than not will attempt a forward pass rather than a sideways or backwards pass. He sees the entire pitch and makes passes early. If he were stronger (injury wise) he is exactly the type of player we need in the middle of the park and (imho) a superior passer than adam, a player we were going to pay 8m for.

4) Sktrel and agger however much you may not rate them or the forwards they have played against have kept 3 clean in a row and even though carra is now fit again I would not rush carra back into the side. Centre back partnerships take time to gel and each have to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the other. Leave it for now, Kenny, and see how they do.

5) Agger was doing exactly what needs to be done against teams that want to park the bus, commit players. He came forward with the ball and was running so deep into stoke’s half that stoke HAD to break formation to engage him. An absolute fantastic weapon if you have it in your armoury.

6) Kuyt
I give the guy a hard time at wide midfield but he gave a MASTERCLASS of hold up play yesterday, he held the ball up, brought others into play, laid off the ball, dragged defenders away from the attacking midfielders making runs from deep. Utterly, utterly superb. But with that said carrol is our forward now and I still think we need genuine wide players on the flanks. If he is happy to be a squad player, fine, but I doubt kuyt will be happy to sit on the bench in his 30’s.

7) Suarez
Seems a very clever player, making good runs, using trickery to play people in on goal and knowing how to bend his runs to stay on side. The good thing is he looks comfortable pulling wide or dropping deep so there is definitely potential for him to dovetail with carrol and form a devastating partnership. That goal will get taken off him though 😛

8 ) Merieles
what can you say about this player? Passing accuracy and goal threat and he seems to love playing with gerrard (fnar fnar) the guy can’t tackle for shit though and we really need to dismiss the idea of miereles partnering gerrard without a ball winner.

9) Lucas
is really improving with every game, you can see his desire to win 50/50 and also his desire to make runs from deep even though he is the ball winner. His improvement is great to see and I’m sure he’ll improve further to win his place back in the side if (rather, when) Kenny purchases a new holding midfielder.

10) Kenny
A very canny manager. When the mood was dropping around anfield because the team was getting to grips with the formation, Kenny sent suarez to warm up which lifted the crowd and in turn the crowd lifted the players. It’s small things like that which (to me at least) mark him as a special manager who not only feels the mood on the pitch but also the mood in the stands.

He also made the sub of suarez a the right time when aurelio was starting to tire, we lost a bit of momentum going forwards because of aurelio’s passing but soon got into the grove again and killed the game. His tactics were spot and and it’s so good to just enjoy watching good tactics again and apprachate them rather than just picking holes out of the horrendous tactics of hodgson which in the end stopped me posting about them (roy’s tactics) so I guess there was a silverlining to roy’s rubbish tactics :laugh:

I enjoying watching the game again and though the results are fantastic, it’s the performances that give cause for optimising and I can hand on heart say if roy were using these tactics but not getting the results I would have a bit more patience with him because you could see what he is trying to do but the performances AND results were gash. Kenny has transformed a team that was dead on it’s feet v Blackburn (or whatever was roy’s last game) to a team with passion and desire, that is such a ‘fuck you’ to the pundits we tried to make it was the players rather than the bullshit tactics and loser mentaility.
Kudos Kenny 🙂
 
Wrote this in the match thread. Just a quick few observations.

-Wasn't it hilarious to watch Kelly jog back and run all over Pennant. I love how Kelly is now a first teamer.
-I trust Glen again, mabye it's the new hair cut, maybe he has upped his game but he's doing very well.
-Lucas showed great energy and passed it about.
-I love when Kuyt plays well, cause, erm.. I love Dirk.
-Raul cannot stop scoring and is belting them in. Long may it continue.
-Pep had one save to make and made it. Nice clean sheet.
-Agger strolled out from the back and was classy throughout.
-The Greek gave Carew a torid time and Carragher was on the bench which was encouraging for Sunday.
-Gerrard was doing his best to get Suarez involved and looked busy all game.
-Daglish is going to give Shelvey a lot of playing time this season. He looks confident on the ball and his decision making will improve with each game
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=44020.msg1277144#msg1277144 date=1296733450]
Wrote this in the match thread. Just a quick few observations.

-Wasn't it hilarious to watch Kelly jog back and run all over Pennant. I love how Kelly is now a first teamer.
-I trust Glen again, mabye it's the new hair cut, maybe he has upped his game but he's doing very well.
-Lucas showed great energy and passed it about.
-I love when Kuyt plays well, cause, erm.. I love Dirk.
-Raul cannot stop scoring and is belting them in. Long may it continue.
-Pep had one save to make and made it. Nice clean sheet.
-Agger strolled out from the back and was classy throughout.
-The Greek gave Carew a torid time and Carragher was on the bench which was encouraging for Sunday.
-Gerrard was doing his best to get Suarez involved and looked busy all game.
-Daglish is going to give Shelvey a lot of playing time this season. He looks confident on the ball and his decision making will improve with each game
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agree 🙂
 
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=44020.msg1277175#msg1277175 date=1296735211]
the real test comes when we play the chavs on Sunday...
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without being defeatist I don't expect much from that game. I only remember two wins there in 10 years, so the performance is watch I'm looking for.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44020.msg1277130#msg1277130 date=1296731604]
That goal will get taken off him though 😛
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Why?

There has been nothing in the new regarding that, and many people have explained (to you, i think) in the match thread why it won't be given as an own goal.

you remind me of this...
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Goalscorers for the 2010-2011 season

Name PL LC EL Total
Fernando Torres 9 0 0 9
Steven Gerrard 4 0 4 8
David N'Gog 2 1 5 8
Dirk Kuyt 4 0 1 5
Maxi Rodriguez 3 0 0 3
Raul Meireles 3 0 0 3
Sotirios Kyrgiakos 2 0 0 2
Ryan Babel 1 0 1 2
Milan Jovanovi? 0 1 1 2
Joe Cole 1 0 1 2
[size=14pt]Luis Suarez 1 0 0 1 [/size]
Lucas Leiva 0 0 1 1
Glen Johnson 1 0 0 1
Martin Skrtel 1 0 0 1
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44020.msg1277130#msg1277130 date=1296731604]
That goal will get taken off him though 😛
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Why?

There has been nothing in the new regarding that, and many people have explained (to you, i think) in the match thread why it won't be given as an own goal.

you remind me of this...
head-in-sand.jpg


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firstly, who cares whats in the papers they aren't the ones that decide own goals and second, nice use of a picture. 'slightly' uncalled for. I don't recall anyone 'explaining' anything to me. if he keeps the goals, fine, the way I saw it is suarez miskicks the ball and the defender should have cleared easily instead it hits the defend and goes in. as I said, if suarez keeps the goal, fine but I think it was an own goal.
 
If it's on target before the defender makes a contact it is ALWAYS credited as a normal goal, it's as simple as that so please stop it.
 
Misskicks the ball?

He slid the ball goalward it was on Target.

The law states that if a defender tries to intercept a goalbound shot and it goes in, its given to the attacking player, and not as an OG to the defending player.

Switch back to first game of the season and Pepe's OG, the ball bounced off the post and therefore wasn't goalbound, it bounced off the defending player (Pepe) and went in so is classed as an OG.
 
In Neil's defence, it will go to the dubious goals panel, but its likely the Suarez will keep it, for the reasons laid out on here.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44020.msg1277210#msg1277210 date=1296737567]
okay, okay! it's suarez' goal! JEEZ!!
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There is a good lad...
 
Tiniest scuff on it, but who the fuck gives one? It went in, it's his, he's scored on his debut and looked both lively and happy which is above what anybody can ask from a guy who hasn't played in a month and didn't even train with his teammates.
 
It was going in before the defender touched it, however he cleared on to the post and it rebounded in.

I wouldn't say it was Suarez' goal but purely for it being his debut they should give it to him!

Also, his movement was ace last night, doesnt matter if he's not trained, he's clearly a clever footballer.

Glenjo is a new player thanks to his haircut but how on earth he didnt score I don't know, that header was a given, yet he plants it to straight into the gloves.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44020.msg1277275#msg1277275 date=1296741645]

Glenjo is a new player thanks to his haircut but how on earth he didnt score I don't know, that header was a given, yet he plants it to straight into the gloves.
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Magic was just unlucky. He did really well to even get to the ball for that header and usually it's enough to just get it on target from that range.
 
Ive got an observation.
Why doesnt Gerrard shoot anymore?
He had three good opportunities to shoot yesterday and didnt take it on once.
I love a Gerrard screamer and hope to see them again soon.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44020.msg1277275#msg1277275 date=1296741645]
It was going in before the defender touched it, however he cleared on to the post and it rebounded in.

I wouldn't say it was Suarez' goal but purely for it being his debut they should give it to him!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know the same rules apply to everyone, the outfield players and the keeper. Therefore I guess it should be the same as if the keeper managed to get his fingers on the ball and push it into the post but the ball would bounce in off the post. I'm sure noone would call that an own goal from the keeper.
 
Aurelio has nothing like the passing ability of Adam, or the ability to dictate play.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44020.msg1277293#msg1277293 date=1296743010]
Aurelio has nothing like the passing ability of Adam, or the ability to dictate play.
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I would need to see both over a longer period of time to make that type of call, from the little I've seen of both aurelio's range of passing has been better. I need to see more of adam.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44020.msg1277280#msg1277280 date=1296742393]
Ive got an observation.
Why doesnt Gerrard shoot anymore?
He had three good opportunities to shoot yesterday and didnt take it on once.
I love a Gerrard screamer and hope to see them again soon.
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Yeah I noticed he didn't pull the trigger at times. I was worried he might be having problems with his groin or something like that. He did crack a free kick and a delicious volley in the second half.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44020.msg1277293#msg1277293 date=1296743010]
Aurelio has nothing like the passing ability of Adam, or the ability to dictate play.
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I would need to see both over a longer period of time to make that type of call, from the little I've seen of both aurelio's range of passing has been better. I need to see more of adam.
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Spidey, it isn't just passing ability, but the ability to do it in a tough congested midfield. Aurelio had all the action in front of him last night, owing to the way Stoke were set up, and he passed well enough. Finding your team-mates with quality (attacking) passes when the midfield is being contested rather than ceded is a different matter altogether. Adam makes time and space in the most competitive of midfield battles. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that is true of Aurelio. You're admitting you're basing this on very little, and it shows. I like Aurelio, but to suggest he has a better passing range and would be a better midfielder for us than Adam is nonsense.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44020.msg1277312#msg1277312 date=1296744462]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44020.msg1277295#msg1277295 date=1296743466]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44020.msg1277293#msg1277293 date=1296743010]
Aurelio has nothing like the passing ability of Adam, or the ability to dictate play.
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I would need to see both over a longer period of time to make that type of call, from the little I've seen of both aurelio's range of passing has been better. I need to see more of adam.
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Spidey, it isn't just passing ability, but the ability to do it in a tough congested midfield. Aurelio had all the action in front of him last night, owing to the way Stoke were set up, and he passed well enough. Finding your team-mates with quality (attacking) passes when the midfield is being contested rather than ceded is a different matter altogether. Adam makes time and space in the most competitive of midfield battles. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that is true of Aurelio. You're admitting you're basing this on very little, and it shows. I like Aurelio, but to suggest he has a better passing range and would be a better midfielder for us than Adam is nonsense.
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will be interesting to see if kenny moves for adam again in the summer and if he does I'm curious how he will fit in the team.
 
Although we gave them a bit of a push, Stoke fell on their own sword, IMO.

I expected a lot more from them.
 
I love Agger, I love the way he comes out with the ball. I love that fact he looks to pass and pushes teams back from defence.

I love Shelvey, I really realy do. I think he will be great for LFC in the future and make a contribution to the squad now. I'm glad we didn't buy Adam cos that would have meant less play for Shelvey who I really want to succeed at LFC.

Lucas was pinging the ball around, Lucas *pinging* the ball around..shit, were we all wrong?? do RAWK posters know better than us?.....Naaa.. anyways he was good last night well done to him.

I don't agree with whoever it was above saying about GloJo planting the ball in the keepers glove, it was a great save from matey and he kept the score down. Glojo was good, as was Kelly again who *Murked* Pennant time and time again.

HOWEVER, there were times when a lack of concentration lead to a pass going astray. Its a problem when our game is all about the passing and that needs to be cut out of the game. It can be a problem when we are playing teams with pace and more than one man up front.

I'm not saying its all fixed and everything is going to be great, but the rebuild has finally begun and its picking up speed quickly.
 
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RT @Juicechambo:[size=12pt] Kenny Dalglish: "Poulson injured his back while tieing his laces so that's why he was removed from bench for Stoke" [/size] #fb
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Did Kenny really say that?
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44020.msg1277275#msg1277275 date=1296741645]
It was going in before the defender touched it, however he cleared on to the post and it rebounded in.

I wouldn't say it was Suarez' goal but purely for it being his debut they should give it to him!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know the same rules apply to everyone, the outfield players and the keeper. Therefore I guess it should be the same as if the keeper managed to get his fingers on the ball and push it into the post but the ball would bounce in off the post. I'm sure noone would call that an own goal from the keeper.
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Im not sure mate.

It'd be good if Luis can keep it
 
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