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Next (permanent) England manger

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Hansern said:
Or Hodgson. Or Allardyce. In other words, it doesnt look like it matters to much.
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Hodgson and Allardyce can point to sustained "success" at a lower level, at places like West Brom, Fulham, Sunderland, Bolton etc, West Ham where "success" is defined differently.

I suppose.

But yeah, if your last two managers were Hodgson and Allardyce - the latter lasting a grand total of one match - then you may as well just appoint anyone.
 
Hodgson pandered to egos and picked his squad on reputations. Wilshere should never have gone to the Euros.

Allardyce had the one game, but the comments he made about Rooney afterwards pointed towards another manager who was going to pander to player power.

Whoever is next in line - Southgate at this point - needs to start picking these squads on merit. That's the first step for me in correcting the mental fragility associated with every tournament England have played in in the last 20 or so years. A 25 man squad needs to be made up of players who deserve to be there and know it.

The biggest battle that any England manager is going to face though, is the hype created by the media furore in the run up to a big game, and the inevitable crash in feeling when the team fail to lift up to the ridiculous expectations that that furore creates. For all the stick Liverpool fans get, the England boom and bust cycle is arguably far more accurate.
 
Football wise the best choice is Rafa by a fucking country mile.

His raison d'etre is getting a group of players of various middling to great talent & making them perform well enough as a team to win cup competitions. That's basically the England managers job description right there.

His face doesn't fit though, so it'll never happen.
 
On Rafa, I don't think he would be a good appointment. I think it needs more of a man manager and motivator rather than a Rafa-style tactician, the national team just don't get enough time together.

Mourinho in his first stint at Chelsea would be the right style for me, not the current version of Mourinho though (he seems to have carried on his "blame the players" tactic from last year). I don't know who that manager is in football right now.
 
Rafa is the cup specialist and think he should be considered. The players will respond to him and we all know he will not select players on rep bit performances and that itch that he gets.
 
I'd be fine with Howe personally but Rafa would be the smartest move, even if it was part time. The man knows how to win cups and one off matches like no other.
 
I'd be fine with anyone really, because I don't care and it doesn't make any difference anyway

I'd prefer it wasn't someone I genuinely hated though (Pardew)
 
Might aswell give it to Southgate until next summer. Might be easier to get a decent manager in after the season.

I'd look outside of England in all honesty. Mainly cause there isnt a single good English manager out there.
The FA wanted Wenger if I remember correctly. Maybe they can convince him to join after the season.
Blanc is out of a job right now, he would probably be a decent choice.
 
I really think it needs a duo. One will wilt under the pressure. Get a good coach and a proper manager. Then work on the pattern of play and the mentality.
 
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Rafa is not a great cup manager or specialist. With us he won two cups, by the skin of his teeth, from the 15 or so cups we entered under him.

So I reckon that means that he's such a cup specialist he'd win the World Cup or Euros for England twice every thirty years or so. Or on average a trophy every 15 years or so.
 
I'm not English but I'd love to see Rafa or Wenger appointed so we can see (1) England with a top top PL manager (2) Rafa or Arsen with a national side and(3) arsenal with a new hopefully shit manager.

The England + shit manager trope is so old it's not funny anymore
 
Insignificance said:
What has he done wrong to deserve that shit?
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Well he'd become more famous and richer overnight. Loads of people from small countries with an axe to grind would have further opportunities to glory in England's (World Cup winners) probable degrees of failure with him at the helm.

In addition, if he wants out he can simply have a grainy photo taken in a bar with business types whilst saying nothing in particular but everyone assuming he's the devil incarnate and get a handsome payoff for 10 weeks work.

What's not to like?
 
Apropos Rafa...I don't get how being a 'cup specialist' does anything for his credentials as an international manager-in waiting. Qualifying games are a series of one-off matches (ok I can see the cup connection there) and the occasional double-header. In between games I imagine he'd miss working with the players and would become bored at which point he'd start buggering around with things he should leave well alone...such as FA politics etc. And assuming he led the team to a finals tournament, what then? If it's a summer tournament he's going to struggle in that awful waistcoat he's taken to wearing.
 
leftpeg said:
Apropos Rafa...I don't get how being a 'cup specialist' does anything for his credentials as an international manager-in waiting. Qualifying games are a series of one-off matches (ok I can see the cup connection there) and the occasional double-header. In between games I imagine he'd miss working with the players and would become bored at which point he'd start buggering around with things he should leave well alone...such as FA politics etc. And assuming he led the team to a finals tournament, what then? If it's a summer tournament he's going to struggle in that awful waistcoat he's taken to wearing.
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I agree. I don't think Rafa has the right mentality for a national side.

He's a tactician and a control freak, he just wouldn't get enough time to work with the players before games to reproduce his club record.
 
The problem with Rafa is that the press have always enjoyed having fun at his expense, pretty much sharing the same sneering attitude as the members of LMA who are now being found out. A few bad results and he'd have no well of good will from the media to draw upon, and that's absolutely necessary in this post.
 
doctor_mac said:
The problem with Rafa is that the press have always enjoyed having fun at his expense, pretty much sharing the same sneering attitude as the members of LMA who are now being found out. A few bad results and he'd have no well of good will from the media to draw upon, and that's absolutely necessary in this post.
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What England manager has had a nice, deep well of good will from the media to draw upon in times of strife?

LMA members like Big Sam, McClaren and Woy? Capello? Sven?

Wenger might get leeway. Can't think of many others who would.
 
manwithnoname said:
What England manager has had a nice, deep well of good will from the media to draw upon in times of strife?

LMA members like Big Sam, McClaren and Woy? Capello? Sven?

Wenger might get leeway. Can't think of many others who would.
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Woy had an unbelievable well of good will, I mean un-fucking believable. His team had failed abjectly at 2 tournaments before the latest abject failure, and still when he left he had a lot of respect in the media (despite being fucking woeful!) Sven started off being styled as this revered, Mekon style tactical wizard as did Capello. McClaren was up against it, but not an object of derision before his appointment in the press in the way Rafa has been. Fat Sam would have had some leeway in comparison to Rafa– no doubts about it.
 
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doctor_mac said:
Woy had an unbelievable well of good will. Sven started off being styled a this revered, Mekon style tactical wizard as did Capello. McClaren was up aginst it, but not an object of fun in the press in the way Rafa has been.
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I think manager's are going to get less and less patience once the honeymoon period is over, unless they can find some sort of success fairly quickly. It's been boom and bust for too long, the fans and the media are looking for something immediate (unfairly).

I also think Woy's Well had a lot to do with timing. He took on the team close to a major championships and was cut some slack for that. He then had a 100% record in qualifying on the way to the Euros - there wasn't really anything for the media to get stroppy about. Then - as per the script - he picks a few egos for the tournament, England's mental fragility bubbles to the surface and the media get the knives out.
 
Windom Earle said:
I think manager's are going to get less and less patience once the honeymoon period is over, unless they can find some sort of success fairly quickly. It's been boom and bust for too long, the fans and the media are looking for something immediate (unfairly).

I also think Woy's Well had a lot to do with timing. He took on the team close to a major championships and was cut some slack for that. He then had a 100% record in qualifying on the way to the Euros - there wasn't really anything for the media to get stroppy about. Then - as per the script - he picks a few egos for the tournament, England's mental fragility bubbles to the surface and the media get the knives out.
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Yeah, but you're forgetting about Brazil, where England were truly awful. The first Euros, OK, he had not been long in post, but the world Cup was typically grim Hodgson fare.
 
Windom Earle said:
I agree. I don't think Rafa has the right mentality for a national side.

He's a tactician and a control freak, he just wouldn't get enough time to work with the players before games to reproduce his club record.
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I don't know. You might be right, but I have a hunch he'd absolutely love managing an international side, especially in a tournament. He got Newcastle looking vastly more organised after just a couple of games - I know they still went down, but he turned them from one of the most ill-disciplined and incoherent sides I've ever seen in the top flight into quite a stable and focused side within a couple of weeks, and at international level he'd have far better and more motivated players.

A world cup or a euros would surely be right up his street. They're like chess games, with each match a new tactical puzzle, and he adores that side to football. And he's probably the one top manager who'd get less flak managing England than he would managing his own country, who'd probably demand more flair.
 
How about a Hologram of Alf Ramsey?

Put the lads in a darkened room, carton of popcorn apiece, light flickers and there's Alf, talking down to them (no problem for him), Raheem's on the hookah, Joe Hart's bellowing some bollocks about dying for the cause, Daniel raises his hands to the God like figure. They'll leave the room like Superman on steroids.

Could work.
 
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