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New deals for Kuyt & Reina signal full-time role for Dalglish at Anfield- report

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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.
Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
 
Great call Molbystwin!

Boozer, you may have a point there!

Farky, I'm serious, refer to Molbystwin for reference!
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44287.msg1288079#msg1288079 date=1298185151]
Pepe is a mercenary. All this talk about CL footy and wanting to leave is a ruse to get a pay increase?

He should be staying because he wants to and sees that we're moving in the right direction.
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I'd be willing to bet that the only reason for this negotiation with Pepe is to remove the buy out clause, since he is reportedly very happy to stay now that club is moving in the right direction.

Like it or not a clause like that has a value to a player and the increase presumably covers it.
 
And his dad died in the same season as Frank Lampard's mum and Dirk didn't go on about it.
 
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Pepe is a mercenary. All this talk about CL footy and wanting to leave is a ruse to get a pay increase?

He should be staying because he wants to and sees that we're moving in the right direction.
[/quote]

I assume you apply such logic and morals to your own career of course.

"No boss, the annual/bi-annual payrise won't be required; the vision you've set for this company is adequate compensation."
 
That smacks of ignorance Ryan even for you.

Don't talk about CL football and ambition and an extra 10 grands shuts you up. That's money talking over personal ambition and guarantees nothing.

If you're doing it for the money then come out and say it.
 
Good news.

Hopefully we'll only see 3-4 of the total flops leave this summer, then we can focus on adding some much needed depth/quality to our squad.
 
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Pepe is a mercenary. All this talk about CL footy and wanting to leave is a ruse to get a pay increase?

He should be staying because he wants to and sees that we're moving in the right direction.
[/quote]

I assume you apply such logic and morals to your own career of course.

"No boss, the annual/bi-annual payrise won't be required; the vision you've set for this company is adequate compensation."
[/quote]

Whaddapie would say that
 
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Pepe is a mercenary. All this talk about CL footy and wanting to leave is a ruse to get a pay increase?

He should be staying because he wants to and sees that we're moving in the right direction.
[/quote]

I assume you apply such logic and morals to your own career of course.

"No boss, the annual/bi-annual payrise won't be required; the vision you've set for this company is adequate compensation."
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Whaddapie would say that
[/quote]No he wouldnt. He'd be busy being wrong about Bono.
 
as some of you may have gathered I am not one of Dirks greatest fans , but this is quite good news as we need blokes like kuyt to give us a decent squad.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288143#msg1288143 date=1298196320]
There is no such thing as loyalty in football.

If Kuyt had gone to complete shit or gotten badly injured, he wouldn't be getting a new contract and where would be the loyalty there?

Traore had been at the club for years and years and yet nobody gave a fuck when he left. In fact, people were very happy about it. But Traore had been no less loyal or hardworking than Kuyt.

We the fans only care about the players we like. Squiggs obviously likes Kuyt less than you.
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This.

When any player can't deliver what we need then it's time to move him on ..... for his sake as well as ours. Kuyt is currently worth his place in the team. if we have a big Summer then I no longer think that'll be the case and he'll move to the bench.
 
I'm all for having the likes of Kuyt as squad members as the club brings in more quality. It's the bumper contracts for players past their best that I object to.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

It really isn't, it's just common sense.
 
True.

If we have a decent replacement for Kuyt lined up I wouldn't mind selling him. That's the business I'm sorry to say.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

It really isn't, it's just common sense.
[/quote]What? Im talking about the first part not the second part.
Firstly i think its desperate and sad as fuck that fans give a shit how much a players contract is worth and would be 'disappointed' with a club legend getting a bumper payday. Im a fan not a shareholder, not a club accountant. Thats for people at the club to worry about. Me i want loyal players who give their all for the club to stay and be rewarded and i dont really care a shit about the cost, because im a fan with my heart and not my head.

Secondly the 'should we fans get contracts to play for the club' bit is just ridiculous. Its a crap argument.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

It really isn't, it's just common sense.
[/quote]What? Im talking about the first part not the second part.
Firstly i think its desperate and sad as fuck that fans give a shit how much a players contract is worth and would be 'disappointed' with a club legend getting a bumper payday. Im a fan not a shareholder, not a club accountant. Thats for people at the club to worry about. Me i want loyal players who give their all for the club to stay and be rewarded and i dont really care a shit about the cost, because im a fan with my heart and not my head.

Secondly the 'should we fans get contracts to play for the club' bit is just ridiculous. Its a crap argument.
[/quote]

It is a crap argument. But you are making ludicrously short sighted claims based on the notion that romanticism still exist in Premier league football, it doesn't warrant a long well thought out answer.

The fans should care about the wages, because we are the ones complaining about expensive merchandise, rising ticket costs, and the threat of our clubs going bankrupt (try thinking back 6 months).
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

It really isn't, it's just common sense.
[/quote]What? Im talking about the first part not the second part.
Firstly i think its desperate and sad as fuck that fans give a shit how much a players contract is worth and would be 'disappointed' with a club legend getting a bumper payday. Im a fan not a shareholder, not a club accountant. Thats for people at the club to worry about. Me i want loyal players who give their all for the club to stay and be rewarded and i dont really care a shit about the cost, because im a fan with my heart and not my head.

Secondly the 'should we fans get contracts to play for the club' bit is just ridiculous. Its a crap argument.
[/quote]

It is a crap argument. But you are making ludicrously short sighted claims based on the notion that romanticism still exist in Premier league football, it doesn't warrant a long well thought out answer.

The fans should care about the wages, because we are the ones complaining about expensive merchandise, rising ticket costs, and the threat of our clubs going bankrupt (try thinking back 6 months).
[/quote]Six months ago i still wouldnt give a fuck how much money Dirk Kuyt earns. And what is the point in saying romanticism doesnt exist in football when that in itself is my point.
Im saying its sad that it doesnt and that it should.
Regardless its a crap argument. That was my point re-DB. Which you agree with, so im right. Thanks.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

Sorry andy but the above bold is a rubbish. No mention of ability at all. You have described what tha majority of LFC fans would be if they played for the club.
 
we have become conditioned over the last few years to the assumption that when a player is not good enough for the team, he has to be moved on and a new player brought in on a one out one in basis.
This is a financial argument and is not always valid. As I said earlier Dirk is not good enough as a first choice either up front or on the right, but I think he is a valuable squad member and he wants to be here.
Unless a player is absolutely gash and blotted his copy book badly, Konchesky as an example, brings a lot more value than his worth to the squad, Cole could be and example although I want to see him have a run in the team yet, or just wants out we need to think twice before we let them go. We have let the squad get too thin over the last five years.
The other option is to blood these kids and lets see if they have it or not, but any squad needs to be the right blend of players and youth and experience .
Regards
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44287.msg1288167#msg1288167 date=1298197713]
In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
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Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

Sorry andy but the above bold is a rubbish. No mention of ability at all. You have described what tha majority of LFC fans would be if they played for the club.


[/quote]Oh for fuck sake, im not talking about ZERO ability you prat. Forget it. Aye lets sign up some fans and get rid of these overpaid talented bastards.
Fuck me.
 
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In all honesty, I think Kuyt's work ethic gets pretty overplayed. I've seen plenty of other players come off the pitch looking half dead from exhaustion and not get the kudos Kuyt seems to from Liverpool fans.
[/quote]Not from me mate.
As far as im concerned if you give it everything you have for 90 minutes every week, you love the club, you say and do the right things and you clearly understand what it means to be a liverpool player, then as far as i am concerned you can stay for life. I will always value effort and integrity more than skill and saleability.Obviously the dream is to have both (Gerrard, Dalglish, Hamman, Hyppia etc) but those players are rare. Kuyt isnt the greatest player of all time, but if he wants to stay here and is happy not to start every week when better options are available then i would let him stay until he cant play anymore.
[/quote]

Hmmm I'm sure the majority of LFC fans would do exactly that. Should any of us get a contract for life?

If Kuyts gets a bumper contract for the next 4 years where he will mainly be a back up then I'll be disappointed.

[/quote]What a crap argument.
[/quote]

Sorry andy but the above bold is a rubbish. No mention of ability at all. You have described what tha majority of LFC fans would be if they played for the club.


[/quote]Oh for fuck sake, im not talking about ZERO ability you prat. Forget it. Aye lets sign up some fans and get rid of these overpaid talented bastards.
Fuck me.
[/quote]

All the things you mentioned are traits we all like to see, but I'd put a player who commands a position as his own when fit to be above it all.

And rightly or wrongly Kuyt doesn't own any spot in a Liverpool team that has real aspirations to win the league. He's a very good squad option if he is on a squad players wage.

But he won't be and he shouldn't be a first choice right winger or stirker next season.

He'll be looking for a big salary without solving any problem area on the pitch for us. And his game time will get less nd less over the next 3 years.

As for not giving a shit about how much a player earns? What are you 5? That is a massive concern for any level headed Liverpool fan right now.

Tell that argument to a leeds fan? Or how about the fact that we have been slicing our squad because of our wage bill?

It's no surprise that Wenger has Arsenal financial stable with his policy or no more than a 1 year contract once your over 30.

Giiving Kut a 4 year contract now on close to 100k a wk now would be terrible business.
 
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All the things you mentioned are traits we all like to see, but I'd put a player who commands a position as his own when fit to be above it all.

So we only contract players who are first team regulars?

And rightly or wrongly Kuyt doesn't own any spot in a Liverpool team that has real aspirations to win the league. He's a very good squad option if he is on a squad players wage.

Quite, if he WASNT a good squad option i wouldnt want him to stay would I.

But he won't be and he shouldn't be a first choice right winger or stirker next season.

So? We play in 4 competitions. Lets say we dont give Dirk a contract so he leaves and we sign a lesser player (as we always do) to fill that gap for half Dirks money and a 10m spend, is that progress?

He'll be looking for a big salary without solving any problem area on the pitch for us. And his game time will get less nd less over the next 3 years.

SO? Negotiate a 2 year deal, or a sliding scale based on how much he plays.

As for not giving a shit about how much a player earns? What are you 5? That is a massive concern for any level headed Liverpool fan right now.

No i am not five.

Tell that argument to a leeds fan? Or how about the fact that we have been slicing our squad because of our wage bill?

We are not owned by those owners anymore. We are not working on operating debt.

It's no surprise that Wenger has Arsenal financial stable with his policy or no more than a 1 year contract once your over 30.

Ahhhh financial stability, the watchword of any supporter. Theres nothing better at the end of the season than a good balance, i love it when the players get on a bus and drive round Merseyside holding those green bank statements.

Giiving Kut a 4 year contract now on close to 100k a wk now would be terrible business.

So thats the figure youve decided on is it? For a player who loves the club and wants to stay no matter what you come in and offer 100k a week?
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I dont want to talk about this with you anymore.

Regards
 
I don't think you totally get what Onky was trying to say, Dreamy.

As long as their hald decent footballers, I think Onky is saying he'd rather a committed 'happy' player like Kuyt stayed for life than a Torres or A.N other mercenary type player who is probably more skillful and able on the ball than Kuyt is.

I don't think Onky is endorsing a team of Rosco's or anthing..
 
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I don't think you totally get what Onky was trying to say, Dreamy.

As long as their hald decent footballers, I think Onky is saying he'd rather a committed 'happy' player like Kuyt stayed for life than a Torres or A.N other mercenary type player who is probably more skillful and able on the ball than Kuyt is.

I don't think Onky is endorsing a team of Rosco's or anthing..
[/quote]Fuck that. I put him through about 6 times when we played and he missed every one of them the useless cunt.

Im saying that being a supporter is an emotive thing and for me, i am emotionally tied to the players, in particular those who love the club and are hardworking and loyal. I value that highly. Sometimes you have to pay a premium for that. Dreambeliever would have a squad of young cheap tippy tappy cunts and would sell Gerrard, Carragher, Kuyt, Reina etc the minute they arent first team regulars. I think thats sad. We owe them more than that.
I would love for Kuyt to be here for life. Obviously if he takes the piss and demands 150k a week for 5 years and wont budge its a different matter, but do YOU get the feeling he is that kind of dude?

Look at it this way. We sold Sami Hyppia at what 35 and ive missed him every day since. I dont think Hyppia should have played every game but i would still have given him a two year deal and told him he would have played plenty if he stayed. His age and the cost dont come into it for me.
Thats what being a fan is.
I'll let our lawyers figure out if we can afford it.
 
In fairness the goalie did twat me on one of those chances, definite peno - not given
 
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