Oi. Fuck off with that. You were well into including the Spurs and City anomalies into your criticism at this point last season. You must therefore include them in you observations this season. And where’s your ratings.
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Defensively we are looking better no doubt. But i think most of us were hoping that our attackers would be looking to push on from where we left off last season and not go back to how we started last season. I can excuse the first 3 or 4 games but not 9 no way. We should be sharper by now but looking anything but. I don't know if its to do with the change in style of play or what but we are looking pretty disjointed in attack right now.
We look much better defensively. But that has equally to do with the personell? We looked better defensively instantly when VVD came in. Also Robbo and Trent had good progress throughout last season and finished on a high. Lovren made huge steps throughout the season after those 20 mins at Wembley early on. Even Klavan looked like a superstar as the season progressed. I think the leadership VVD has brought in combined with Allisson coming in is extremely important.
I would never remove or add in any irrelevant data that helps my argument.
I'm a scientist, dammit!
I forgot to do the ratings, soz. Feels a bit late now.
Ratings! Ratings! Ratings!!
The reason there is so much discontent about this incredible start to the season is that we are still only ‘in the mix’ being level with City and 2 points ahead of Chelsea, Spurs & Arsenal.
It is frustrating that we have looked poor in attack of late but I’m confident we are one 10-15 Min stint of ‘wow’ away from it all clicking again. I truly hope it happens before we travel to Arsenal who are on fire.
It is frustrating that we have looked poor in attack of late but I’m confident we are one 10-15 Min stint of ‘wow’ away from it all clicking again. I truly hope it happens before we travel to Arsenal who are on fire.
Applause for the title here. It's got depth.
Not every title has to be a pun or an example of dazzling wordplay.
Or...does it? I may have missed a meeting.
Or...does it? I may have missed a meeting.
Yeah. I think part and parcel of being able to manage games, is having the players with the brains and quality to do it. Players like Robertson and VVD are obviously going to help you put something sustainable into practice, as opposed to the frenetic, gungho impatience of players like Moreno and Lovren (who does do ok, but is obviously not without his lapses). So by design, Klopp has installed those players to help us become more tactically astute and more able to control things on the pitch.
My only real criticism of Klopp has always been his failure "in-game", to see things and change it early. I think he manages this quite often at half time, but there's a dangerously stubborn refusal to change the bleeding obvious, early. It's a small gripe though. To turn us from the most exciting team in the league to a more calculated and less entertaining one, to save those more devastating performances for later in the season in the BIG important games, is some feat.
Hopefully we're not *actually* seeing poor form from certain players giving us less attacking output, that just happens to be coinciding with a more solid foundation, that's just about keeping our heads above water. That's the real concern.
The Spurs game wasn't an anomaly though, our shit players had a shit game and we got battered, it was the kind of game that was due against a good team, given we'd generally been pissing goals everywhere for ages. The City game was obviously more a reflection of an early sending off and the fact they are a really good team. I'm sure there was some validity in being concerned that our leaky defense shipped 9 goals against two other contenders.
They were anomalies because apart from those two games we shipped very few goals and had very impressive stats on the very few number of goal scoring opportunities we allowed our oppositions. If you think Lovren’s performance in the Spurs game was to his normal shit standards then I guess I’d get your point, but I think it was his worst game ever for us and he’s been far better in most games.
He was pretty much maligned for a few seasons by most and considered a mistake ridden risk, so I don't really buy that his performance was out of character. I seem to remember the general consensus about that performance being "enough is enough". I don't remember anyone saying that it was a nightmare performance we never saw coming.
Subbed at half time, with our defensive record apart from two games being very solid would suggest that game was a nightmare for him.
I was being sincere.
Brewing storm in a teacup this thread.
Um, I didn't say it wasn't a nightmare for him, just that it was the sort of game we all knew he had in him. It's not like he hasn't had bad games before.
I remember listening to the commentary for this game and the expro was saying Moreno was the bigger problem as his lack of positioning was exposing Lovren.
FFF said it: It's about finding balance. Work in progress. To get this great start on 1 cylinder is a show of promise and great things to follow. We will peak i Febuary. Perfect.
Now we are up for a good thrasing by the Gunners and we will re-group from there - classic really.
Now we are up for a good thrasing by the Gunners and we will re-group from there - classic really.
Lovren has always been hit and miss which is why we've been wanting him replaced. Who can forget his classic performance against Palace.
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