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my observations of the fulham game

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1. Kenny picked an away side
solid oraganised and difficult to break down but offering little in the way of creativity.
kuyt is a tidy player (with an erratic first touch) he will give and go he will get into good areas but he doesn't have the ability to strecth teams by beating a man and then playing a killer ball, the same can be said of maxi. at home you can get away with one in wide areas but not two, all that will happen is the opposition will funnel the play through the middle and cancel out the threat of the team.

with our current squad I have no idea who we can play in a wide role that will give pace, directness and good delivery, the obvious choice is johnson but kenny seems reluctent to use aurelio, which is a shame because aurelio can pass and rarely wastes a ball and you can't have too many of those in the team.

2. Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen
the classic example was when he bundles over the fulham forward. the fulham forward had his back to goal and posed no threat (from that piece of play) whatsoever, so skrtel turned a situation with ZERO threat into a free kick with the excellent set peice taker danny murphy on the pitch. martin needs to do himself a favour and THINK before he lunges in. when carra is fit again skrtel is the one who should may way for him.

3. The fullbacks were superb
the fullbacks got forwards when needed (johnson especially made some superb runs) and were the ones the team looked towards to width. kelly is maturing into a fine right back and johnson is doing surprisingly well at left back (is glen two footed?)
that said I would still like aurelio at left back and johnson further forwards, but I digress.

4. We need to calm the fuck down
we got drawn into a scrap and played completely into fulham's hands. as a team (and we were guilty of this under rafa as well) we need to stop with the panic stations, headless chicken routine. we were a goal up and in a winning position so why were we hurried? why is it that people were trying 'eye of the needle' passes with less that 10 minutes to go? why were people launching the ball up field to nowhere as long as it was clear? make no mistake when you launch the ball to no one it will come straight back and the opposition gain confidence by spending more time on the ball. STOP! look around for options! give it easy! it's not fucking rocket science, it's not the most difficult thing in the world. fortunately we got away with it but if fulham were more clinical we would have been punished.

5. can we have more female lineswomen, please?
sian got the call at the weekend stop on, the hapless twat yesterday got the call horrible wrong and it could have cost us a couple of points that could be gold dust come the end of the season.

6. miereles and gerrard
which one to play further forwards? personally I would play gerrard in the support role because even though gerrard's range of passing is better therefore can play deeper, gerrard has more pace so is better able to get forwards and support torres who was horrible isolated last night. also I wouldn't play both of them together in midfield without a holding midfielder as fulham (okay, it's on game as an example) had far too much of the play WITH a holding midfielder to back them up, okay the holding midfielder was the hapless poulsen but the point remains the both players will be far more effective if they are left to concentrate on attack something that will be curtailed if they are asked to defend for long periods of the game if they are holding.

7. torres
needs to release the ball earlier and stop trying to take on the entire opposition. the ball moves faster than you do so if someone is in a good position GIVE THEM THE FUCKING BALL! we are losing possession far too easily because players attempting to hold onto the ball too long. the 30 pass passage of play v wolves was exquisite and no one two more than two touches. keep the ball move and only attempt to run with the ball if there are no better passing options. however, he DID take his 'goal' superbly.

all in all small steps, we are moving in the right direction and we are passing better as well. two clean sheets in a row. kenny is certainly working his magic. playing badly and winning is supposed to be the sign of a good team.
 
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5. can we have more female lineswomen, please?
sian got the call at the weekend stop on, the hapless twat yesterday got the call horrible wrong and it could have cost us a couple of points that could be gold dust come the end of the season.

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Sexist!!! Sack him!
 
Skrtel made some great clearances yesterday and was left wide open by Kelly ALL game, but he looks terrified whenever he gets the ball.

The lunge for the freekick was stupid, he's got to cut that shit out because he has at least one in him in every match, but he's the only tackler in there, when they went clear from Kelly's slip, Agger put in another half arsed challenge, like what happened against Campbell for the Blackpool goal. It's great that he can bring the ball out and read the game, but he needs to learn how to put in a full blooded challenge too. I'm not sold on any of the backfour at present, we always look capable of conceding.
 
i stopped reading after "kuyt is a tidy player" and knew it was going to be drivel
 
Good points. Disagree on nr 3.
That was probably Kelly's worst performance to date.
Then again, this quick fix by moving Johnson to the left has somewhat strengthened our flanks and it's looking pretty good.

Gerrard needs to support Torres. I'd say that Meireles passing and movement yesterday was better than Gerrards probably because the latter hasn't played for two weeks.

Lucas Meireles

Gerrard
Suarez Nzogbia
Torres
 
Oh and the fullbacks weren't superb, if we're talking about offensive play then yeah, and Johnson had a good game all round, but Kelly was a fuckin nightmare defensively, watch the game again, being able to ping in a good cross doesn't equate to being "superb", his defensive play was atrocious.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43852.msg1264496#msg1264496 date=1296127056]
Oh and the fullbacks weren't superb, if we're talking about offensive play then yeah, and Johnson had a good game all round, but Kelly was a fuckin nightmare defensively, watch the game again, being able to ping in a good cross doesn't equate to being "superb", his defensive play was atrocious.
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the fullbacks HAD to get forwards or we'd have been no threat whatsoever.
 
Yeh fair points apart from the fullbacks Neil. WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT ?? 😉
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43852.msg1264496#msg1264496 date=1296127056]
Oh and the fullbacks weren't superb, if we're talking about offensive play then yeah, and Johnson had a good game all round, but Kelly was a fuckin nightmare defensively, watch the game again, being able to ping in a good cross doesn't equate to being "superb", his defensive play was atrocious.
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Dontcha know, the only good fullback is an attacking one.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43852.msg1264497#msg1264497 date=1296127174]
the fullbacks HAD to get forwards or we'd have been no threat whatsoever.
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That's missing the point.
 
a full backs priority is to defend. Yes attack when you can but when you can't do the basics then you're asking for trouble. Kelly looked a liability against a very avergage fulham side. I do hope it's a blip (he was due one)
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=43852.msg1264493#msg1264493 date=1296126955]
i stopped reading after "kuyt is a tidy player" and knew it was going to be drivel
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I'm making no apologies for kuyt anymore. I simple want him played up front or moved on, he ISN'T a wide midfielder, doesn't play like a wide midfielder and we create less chances as result. thank goodness kenny is scared to hook him when he is having a mare.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43852.msg1264500#msg1264500 date=1296127255]
That's missing the point.
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when ever I analyse the team, formations, tactics, I always come from the point of view of WINNING the game and when the game was at 0-0 the fullbacks were the most likely source of creating a chance. when they moved forwards their runs SHOULD have been covered by the holding midfielder (otherwise what is the fucking point of having one?!) I will however definately conceed that once we took the lead and therefore in a winning position they could (and maybe should) have tucked in more to snuff out fulham's threat, but you can't blame them for wanting to put the game beyond fulham with a second goal.

okay, YES I admit I gave both fullback a 'pass' because of the threat they carried going forwards (which they did suprebly). I'd rather blame poulsen for not filling in gaps.
 
Neil, I've got no problem with assessing the attacking side of their game, they were good, but you can't rate a defender and completely ignore their defensive play, when logically that's their priority, all you're doing is saying, "well yeah, he fell over a few times and caused a few clear cut opportunities, but forget about that. Wasn't his crossing brilliant?".

It's myopic and biased.

On another day against another side it would have cost us, and it will, again.
 
1. Kenny picked an away side
Not sure what his other options actually were with the starting XI - Lucas for Poulsen? Would that have constituted a "home" side?



2. Skrtel is an accident waiting to happen
No doubting this - the lad has gone backwards at a rate of knots - seemingly his 50p head and lack of brainpower are even more cruelly exposed when he hasnt got Carra screaming down his lugholes. Aggers form is overlooked as he is coming back from injury, and because of Martin's abject displays, but that has to be cause for concern too...

3. The fullbacks were superb
Nope; dont wnat to jump all over the lad but that was Kelly's worst perfromance. Johnson was okay, but he does lose concentration at times. With a defence as weak as ours thats a recipe for disaster

4. We need to calm the fuck down
We do - but it doesnt help that we have a midfield that is woefully short on ball retention abilities, and our whoe side seems incapable of winning the second ball - panic arises, we start shoeing it, the ball comes straight back at us, and we respond with more panic.

5. can we have more female lineswomen, please?

Poor call by the assistant

6. miereles and gerrard

Its a dilemna - Gerrard is wasted sitting deep, but Meireles simply cant do a job there - and were considering buying another CMid with attacking pretensions? Please please please if were buying a midfielder can we sort out the left side and somone to hold.

7. torres


Dont think you can really blame him for too much last night - absolutely zero fucking support from Kuyt (accept for the shinner leading to the goal) or Maxi, or a below par Gerrard.


Per your other point, Aurelio is probably a worse defender than Johnson, and is certainly less mobile - with a defence that is currently managing to luck into clean sheets, Im not sure you can make an argument for changing things (though christ knows Wilson must be shit in training if he's not managing to push out Skrtel, or even get ahead of the Greek in the pecking order)
 
Kelly had a poor game yesterday but he's been superb defensively all season. One poor game can be excused and I don't really see a cause for concern. In fact, I'm very pleasantly surprised by how Johnson's performed at left-back. Overall, I think, our full-backs are shaping up really well, and I'd play them here for the remainder of the season. Screw getting Warnock on loan.

The greatest problem this season has always been the centre of the park, and our inability to win and retain possession there. Last highlighted it again and showed how desperately we need a quality DM. I prefer Lucas marginally to Poulsen, but honestly, I would have Spearing there ahead of either of them. Meireles and Gerrard are fine, except that Meireles should always play deeper. Gerrard's pace and power are critical to ensure that Torres is not left isolated.

As for Kuyt and Maxi, it goes without saying that they need to be replaced from the first team. Praying that we get Suarez and N'zogbia/Young, as they would give the side a different dimension altogether.
 
Agree with most, though Gerrard is not faster than Meireless. I think they have enough game intelligence / are good enough to interchange.

Meireless was all over the park yesterday.
 
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though Gerrard is not faster than Meireless. [/quote]

excuse me, what?
 
[quote author=Sanddirft Red link=topic=43852.msg1264515#msg1264515 date=1296128944]
Agree with most, though Gerrard is not faster than Meireless. I think they have enough game intelligence / are good enough to interchange.

Meireless was all over the park yesterday.
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Gerrard is much faster than Meireles.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43852.msg1264517#msg1264517 date=1296129127]
excuse me, what?
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I'm sorry, I forget to add the "IMHO"...

He is faster than Gerrard. A good example is that ball he picked up on toward the end and tried to slide in for Torres.
 
GlenJo was easily MOTM. And yeah he almost looks two-footed Spidey.

Kelly certainly wasn't but it's a good point that our complete lack of attacking width and ability with Kuyt and Maxi playing does demand a lot of the full-backs. Far too much IMO and Kelly certainly struggled defensively because of the ammount of forward runs he had to make.

I don't think we struggled retaining possession in central midfield, they passed it about good enough, but far to often our forward-players (and Kelly) gave the ball away needlessly. We are in so desperate need for a quality wide-man it's almost criminal. Suarez would do as well I guess.

Agger looked like he had gained some confidence, still lacks a bit here and there but was nice to see him try to get into forward positions at times as well. Hope he stays fit.
 
If Meireles were faster than Gerrard, he'd be one of the most dangerous players in the PL.

Gerrard would murder him in a race. It's not even debatable.
 
[quote author=Sanddirft Red link=topic=43852.msg1264522#msg1264522 date=1296129532]
I'm sorry, I forget to add the "IMHO"...

He is faster than Gerrard. A good example is that ball he picked up on toward the end and tried to slide in for Torres.


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you mean he is mentally (rather than physically) faster?
 
Kelly looked knackered yesterday and so did Dirk, I think Kelly more so because he's never had a run of so many games in so short a time period.

Thank Goodness we have a week-end off and a full week until our next match.

Maybe if we get Warnock, Kenny will try Jonno on one of the wings.

Maxi is certainly stronger on the right than the left, but Dirks got the right.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=43852.msg1264525#msg1264525 date=1296129678]
If Meireles were faster than Gerrard, he'd be one of the most dangerous players in the PL.

Gerrard would murder him in a race. It's not even debatable.
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Yup. Bizarre thing to say really.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43852.msg1264481#msg1264481 date=1296126443]
3. The fullbacks were superb
the fullbacks got forwards when needed (johnson especially made some superb runs) and were the ones the team looked towards to width. kelly is maturing into a fine right back and johnson is doing surprisingly well at left back (is glen two footed?)
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Despite not being from Argentina he definitely is two footed, when played on the right he cuts inside quite often and I think he also scored a few with his left foot (including that goal of the season for Pompey if I'm not mistaken)
 
We tried to go from back to front too quickly. The 'early release' to Torres is a good idea and option - but if it's your only one, it's not too hard to defend against. Time and time again we tried it in the first half. Couple of massive problems with it - it becomes predictable, it leaves a massive gap between the midfield and Torres, it cedes possession 99% of the time back to the opposition.
 
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