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My Issue with a New Manager

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My issue with Klopp, and any new manager really, is that the set up at Liverpool is all wrong. Klopp is no doubt a talented manager, but to think he can come in and turn it round single-handedly is folly. We need to sort out our structure, it's prehistoric, and clubs like Dortmund are lightyears ahead of us. I think that was as vital a factor to Dortmund's success as Klopp's talent is. Certainly when it comes to signing players. I just hope that if Klopp comes in, he has the modesty and the sense to realise he can't do it on his own and that we should try and replicate the whole structure that was such a success in Germany. I don't think one man can come in and do it all on his own any more. Certainly not at a club with as many problems, on and off the field, as ours.

I also hope this post doesn't get lost in here... MODs maybe start a new thread with this post? I think a decent discussion could be had on this subject. I'd do it myself, but I've typed it out now so meh...
 
If Klopp comes in I'll be happy (ecstatic at first, tbh) with him as long as I think we're building towards a definite goal. For nearly a year now I've been convinced that Rodgers has no idea what kind of team he wants to get to and even less of an idea of how to get there if he did know.

It was just aimless. Sorry but what's the point of persisting with that kind of situation?
 
Incidentally, it's not so much an issue with Klopp, it's more an issue with the club. Changing the manager alone won't sort all our problems.
 
If we can't make it work with Klopp, then maybe we need to look at ourselves harder. Thankfully, I think we've finally cottoned on.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Errrr....if Dortmund are years ahead of us isn't bringing the man who transformed them a good thing?
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Yeah but did he do it single-handedly? I think the set up and getting the right men in, and a good DoF in too, is just as important as the managerial appointment itself.
 
I think there are other problems but the manager is a big one so I'm just happy that looks like being sorted.

Be grateful for small mercies, I guess.

I know people will scoff but I still don't think there's TOO much wrong with the non-Rodgers side of recruitment at the club. The basic idea of going after top young players is more or less sound. Ideally you'd have that approach but hire an experienced DOF to carry it out for you.
 
There are many things the club need to sort out and bringing in a new manager is the ideal time to do so.
First of all we need to change how we recruit players. If that means a director of football then I'm fine with that as long as it's someone the new manager can work with otherwise it's pointless. This ideally is someone with a football background who has no designs on being a manager ,thereby being no threat to the manager. Him having some negotiating skills would also help if he's going to be sorting deals out.

Our medical setup surely needs an upgrade. We haven't had a Doctor specifically for the first team squad for god knows how long and sending players to America everytime something goes wrong makes us look like amateurs.

Our fitness isn't too impressive either. Either every other team we play have just had some of Popeye's spinach or our players are being prepared correctly. Time and time again our players look slower and weaker than other teams and we really struggle in the last quarter of games. Can and Lallana in particular either look knackered by the hour mark or have to be substituted.

I hope whomever comes in replaces the goalkeeping coach (Achterberg) as the goalkeepers he's worked with have gone backwards since he started coaching them. Reina became a shadow of himself when Xavi Valero left and Mignolet Hasn't improved on dealing with crosses or with the ball at his feet. If the coach isn't going to make a player better than he already is then maybe we need one that can.

The approach to loaning players out has to be improved so that it benefits the players going out on loan and in due course the squad once they return. At the moment going out on loan for most our players just seems a precursor to leaving the club either on a free or a knock down price. Any player being told they are being sent out on loan must think their Liverpool career is hanging by a thread. Sending players like Markovic to Fenerbahce does sod all for preparing them for a career in English football and looks more like a case of getting them off the wage bill.
The same could be said for Aspas and Alberto who to be fair looked crap for us but maybe if they had gone to a championship club or newly promoted premiership club they could have gotten valuable experience of our league and we could have assessed them properly. Suso was another one. Wisdom was another strange one, given a new contract and before the ink had dried on it he was sent back out on loan. If he's good enough keep him and if he isn't then get rid.
Fuck me that was a long post.
 
You know what ? since the 90's we have been following the trend somewhat of getting reformers for our club who are from nationalities that are doing quite well in terms of their national teams - we got GH in to restructure us when France were top dog, then we got Rafa in when Spain were climbing the national events, and now with Germany as World Cup holders we maybe getting someone from that nation. The issue I have with these managers is that we keep restarting the clock (i.e. Liverpool Reloaded) - each with their 5 year plans.

Are you all not tired of this ? - I do worry that Klopp is no guarantee of anything for our club for a number of reasons which include (to my memory - please correct me) - never having any German coaches managing English clubs and especially someone who has no experience of the English League. For some reason I feel that if we had the Carlo Ancelotti coming to manage us - there would be a glimmer of hope that based on his real experience of managing in this country he would make some difference plus being an Italian - he would know how to sort hat shit defence of ours. The only thing about Klopp that gives me some hope is the fact that he is German and therefore naturally should have a bright spark in his head.

Can I just say also that it was fun with Brendan in 2013-2014, and the attacking style we had, but I think after last season - it was not really him - it was ALL Suarez and the early good form of Sturridge. My reasoning is very simple - last season the only real difference in the squad was that there was no Suarez - we still had Sterling and the rest. It's obvious to me and many others it was the sheer motivation and determination mixed with his natural skills (i.e Suarez) that got the whole team going.
 
Is the club really in such bad shape?

New stand.. decent and varied revenue streams. Our youth teams are still highly regarded and most of our 1st team players are still young. I actually think we've signed a lot of decent players who will thrive in a different system.

FSG aren't that bad.

The fact that we don't have a Dr is embarrassing. I can't believe our GK coach still has a job and that we got rid of some quality youth coaches that the players loved. Overall with the right manager... I think thing's will be loooking great again in no time 🙂
 
moron said:
Are you all not tired of this ? - I do worry that Klopp is no guarantee of anything for our club for a number of reasons ..........
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FFS there are NEVER any guarantees. Ask United, Ask Chelsea, Ask City and so on. You pull the arm on the one-eyed bandit until you hit the jackpot.
 
localny said:
Agreed, I think FSG are unfairly maligned. really.
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Well if you understand that LFC is a business for them, not a passion, then you understand their strategy. They have made some mistakes, every company management does, but their failing with Rodgers, which they now understand, was not sacking him at the end of last season and giving the new manager the 80M.
 
localny said:
Agreed, I think FSG are unfairly maligned. really.
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Their recruitment system has been a joke from day 1, they strike me as somewhat like Rodgers himself. Well meaning with a good line of bullshit but very little practical knowledge to back it up.
 
The biggest differencec is that Klopp has never bought a player in his life while Rodgers wanted to have control over that aswell.
Klopp is used to working with a Dof. So he could be willing to work with the committee or at least try that structure with an open mind set.
The biggest issue for us have been internal conflicts. That wont be a problem now.

I can see us moving in the direction of a Dof if we can attract one of the better ones.
But I wouldnt be at all that surprised if the committee actually started working.

Allen, Lovren, Lallana. All Rodgers input.
Klopp will hopefully have a more clear plan about which type of player he needs and another type of pull when it comes to attracting players.

If it doesnt work he strikes me as the type of manager who will get a Dof from FSG.
 
Hansern said:
But I wouldnt be at all that surprised if the committee actually started working.
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Not if they keep suggesting signing the likes of Balotelli, Aspas, Illori & Alberto they won't.
 
StevieM said:
Not if they keep suggesting signing the likes of Balotelli, Aspas, Illori & Alberto they won't.
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To me thats the problem, its not a set up that enables any manager to succeed. I cant think of any other top club that operates the way we do, FSG seems to think thats because they are ahead of the curve and it gives them the edge. The results of their committee based analytics approach don't support this at all.
 
Conpletely agree with the OP.

klopp could quite easily become our AVB if not handled correctly
 
StevieM said:
Not if they keep suggesting signing the likes of Balotelli, Aspas, Illori & Alberto they won't.
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Agreed. Hopefully we've learned that these players arent of good enough standard. The main thing was that Klopp isnt used to signing players. It hasnt been his responsibility, so we hopefully wont have any internal conflicts.

As I said though, it will probably be scrapped when/if there is a good Dof available. But its all guess work until a new manager is unveiled and we know what the future holds.
 
Wtf are People basing their "expertise" on? Easily become our AVB? Not used to sign players?

We are lucky as fuck if these capcities still regard Liverpool as a good enough project for them. Some of you doesnt deserve Klopp or Ancelotti!!
 
Insignificance said:
Wtf are People basing their "expertise" on? Easily become our AVB? Not used to sign players?

We are lucky as fuck if these capcities still regard Liverpool as a good enough project for them. Some of you doesnt deserve Klopp or Ancelotti!!
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Not used to signing players is because both Mainz and Dortmund had a Dof that job included signing players. That wasnt Klopps job.
 
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