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well johnson is certainly rated, everyone I've spoken to (supporters of other teams) think he is quality.
in this day and age you have to pay for quality. who thought rio was worth 30 mil 9 years ago?
in this day and age you have to pay for quality. who thought rio was worth 30 mil 9 years ago?
Don't forget the tax laws recently rewritten, meaning poor glen only see's half of that..
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Those wages are ridiculous and that fact we agreed is surprising
Benitez is obviously very keen on him, but footballers are particularly sensitive about contracts and you have to consider other players may want parity.
You can justify Gerrard & Torres being on a huge wage but Glen Johnson? No chance.
Benitez is obviously very keen on him, but footballers are particularly sensitive about contracts and you have to consider other players may want parity.
You can justify Gerrard & Torres being on a huge wage but Glen Johnson? No chance.
It's disappointing of course particularly for the majority of fans who would pay for the privilege of wearing the shirt. That said, we all know the power of money in the game today and if we're going to keep up not just in England but in Europe, we are going to have to pay top dollar. In truth, we've probably punched above our weight during Rafa's tenure. With the latest cash injections and commercial successes of our rivals, we can't realistically expect to continue to do so unless we accept that a player of Glen Johnson's ability will cost us £18m and we are going to have to pay all of the first-teamers (ie not just the top two or three) serious sums of money.
Kenni makes a good point elsewhere about Johnson's signing resetting the dial for the fees clubs can expect to have to pay for decent full-backs. It has to be a good thing that we have started to influence the market in this way, rather than being victims of circumstance ourselves.
Kenni makes a good point elsewhere about Johnson's signing resetting the dial for the fees clubs can expect to have to pay for decent full-backs. It has to be a good thing that we have started to influence the market in this way, rather than being victims of circumstance ourselves.
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Those wages are ridiculous and that fact we agreed is surprising
Benitez is obviously very keen on him, but footballers are particularly sensitive about contracts and you have to consider other players may want parity.
You can justify Gerrard & Torres being on a huge wage but Glen Johnson? No chance.
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how are the wages ridiculous? he is THE best right back in the league and he would almost certainly get that elsewhere. if we want the best we have to pay for it.
Those wages are ridiculous and that fact we agreed is surprising
Benitez is obviously very keen on him, but footballers are particularly sensitive about contracts and you have to consider other players may want parity.
You can justify Gerrard & Torres being on a huge wage but Glen Johnson? No chance.
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how are the wages ridiculous? he is THE best right back in the league and he would almost certainly get that elsewhere. if we want the best we have to pay for it.
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Surely Chelsea started it with Ashley Cole (£9M + Gallas), Bosingwa (£16M), Ferreria (13M)?
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34325.msg893374#msg893374 date=1245748598]
Those wages are ridiculous and that fact we agreed is surprising
Benitez is obviously very keen on him, but footballers are particularly sensitive about contracts and you have to consider other players may want parity.
You can justify Gerrard & Torres being on a huge wage but Glen Johnson? No chance.
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how are the wages ridiculous? he is THE best right back in the league and he would almost certainly get that elsewhere. if we want the best we have to pay for it.
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He's been "the best RB in the league" for one season. It's not much of a pedigree, and I would rather our highest wages went to players who have put in years of good service - Masher, Alonso & co - than to see someone join from a lesser club and get instant parity.
Justify it all you want, Rosco said we're being raped financially - for a good player - and he's spot-on.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34325.msg893374#msg893374 date=1245748598]
Those wages are ridiculous and that fact we agreed is surprising
Benitez is obviously very keen on him, but footballers are particularly sensitive about contracts and you have to consider other players may want parity.
You can justify Gerrard & Torres being on a huge wage but Glen Johnson? No chance.
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how are the wages ridiculous? he is THE best right back in the league and he would almost certainly get that elsewhere. if we want the best we have to pay for it.
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He's been "the best RB in the league" for one season. It's not much of a pedigree, and I would rather our highest wages went to players who have put in years of good service - Masher, Alonso & co - than to see someone join from a lesser club and get instant parity.
Justify it all you want, Rosco said we're being raped financially - for a good player - and he's spot-on.
what we should do is buy mediocrity in the hopes they come good and also spread the net far and wide so maybe ONE of the signings comes good. oh, isn't that what we've been doing for the past 10 years.
Quality not quantity. I for one applaud rather for getting his first choice target and not being put off by the price, he done that 3 years ago we'd have alves.
Quality not quantity. I for one applaud rather for getting his first choice target and not being put off by the price, he done that 3 years ago we'd have alves.
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Surely Chelsea started it with Ashley Cole (£9M + Gallas), Bosingwa (£16M), Ferreria (13M)?
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They didn't 'start it', no. They took it to a level it hadn't been to before and we've taken it up a notch again. That's what has always happened in the transfer market The difference is this time, we've set the pace.
Surely Chelsea started it with Ashley Cole (£9M + Gallas), Bosingwa (£16M), Ferreria (13M)?
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They didn't 'start it', no. They took it to a level it hadn't been to before and we've taken it up a notch again. That's what has always happened in the transfer market The difference is this time, we've set the pace.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34325.msg893394#msg893394 date=1245749419]
what we should do is buy mediocrity in the hopes they come good and also spread the net far and wide so maybe ONE of the signings comes good. oh, isn't that what we've been doing for the past 10 years.
Quality not quantity. I for one applaud rather for getting his first choice target and not being put off by the price, he done that 3 years ago we'd have alves.
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Don't speak on my behalf - I never said anything like that.
You're muddying the water and talking about transfer fee's when the fact is, I said it would be preferable for players to prove their worth to LFC and have a desire to do so. Having to offer 80K a week to fend off a shit plastic club like City is disappointing.
I'd have no problem with it if we were signing Henry or someone similar, but we're not; we're signing a fullback from Portsmouth.
what we should do is buy mediocrity in the hopes they come good and also spread the net far and wide so maybe ONE of the signings comes good. oh, isn't that what we've been doing for the past 10 years.
Quality not quantity. I for one applaud rather for getting his first choice target and not being put off by the price, he done that 3 years ago we'd have alves.
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Don't speak on my behalf - I never said anything like that.
You're muddying the water and talking about transfer fee's when the fact is, I said it would be preferable for players to prove their worth to LFC and have a desire to do so. Having to offer 80K a week to fend off a shit plastic club like City is disappointing.
I'd have no problem with it if we were signing Henry or someone similar, but we're not; we're signing a fullback from Portsmouth.
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=34325.msg893400#msg893400 date=1245749607]
I'm shocked people are complaining that we've paid 18m on a potential future great.
WTF lads, wake up - this is 2009 where even dross costs 10m+.
You want quality in the team?
Shut the fuck up and pay for it.
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Do you even read the thread before you start bashing away on your keyboard?
Because if you did, you'd see that nobody has complained about the transfer fee.
I'm shocked people are complaining that we've paid 18m on a potential future great.
WTF lads, wake up - this is 2009 where even dross costs 10m+.
You want quality in the team?
Shut the fuck up and pay for it.
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Do you even read the thread before you start bashing away on your keyboard?
Because if you did, you'd see that nobody has complained about the transfer fee.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34325.msg893394#msg893394 date=1245749419]
what we should do is buy mediocrity in the hopes they come good and also spread the net far and wide so maybe ONE of the signings comes good. oh, isn't that what we've been doing for the past 10 years.
Quality not quantity. I for one applaud rather for getting his first choice target and not being put off by the price, he done that 3 years ago we'd have alves.
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Don't speak on my behalf - I never said anything like that.
You're muddying the water and talking about transfer fee's when the fact is, I said it would be preferable for players to prove their worth to LFC and have a desire to do so. Having to offer 80K a week to fend off a shit plastic club like City is disappointing.
I'd have no problem with it if we were signing Henry or someone similar, but we're not; we're signing a fullback from Portsmouth.
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who happens to be the best right fullback in the league...
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34325.msg893394#msg893394 date=1245749419]
what we should do is buy mediocrity in the hopes they come good and also spread the net far and wide so maybe ONE of the signings comes good. oh, isn't that what we've been doing for the past 10 years.
Quality not quantity. I for one applaud rather for getting his first choice target and not being put off by the price, he done that 3 years ago we'd have alves.
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Don't speak on my behalf - I never said anything like that.
You're muddying the water and talking about transfer fee's when the fact is, I said it would be preferable for players to prove their worth to LFC and have a desire to do so. Having to offer 80K a week to fend off a shit plastic club like City is disappointing.
I'd have no problem with it if we were signing Henry or someone similar, but we're not; we're signing a fullback from Portsmouth.
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who happens to be the best right fullback in the league...
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=34325.msg893400#msg893400 date=1245749607]
I'm shocked people are complaining that we've paid 18m on a potential future great.
WTF lads, wake up - this is 2009 where even dross costs 10m+.
You want quality in the team?
Shut the fuck up and pay for it.
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well said
the hypocrites will most probably moan if we lose a top target simply cos we couldn't afford an additional 20K/month more.
I'm shocked people are complaining that we've paid 18m on a potential future great.
WTF lads, wake up - this is 2009 where even dross costs 10m+.
You want quality in the team?
Shut the fuck up and pay for it.
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well said
the hypocrites will most probably moan if we lose a top target simply cos we couldn't afford an additional 20K/month more.
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For one season.
I wrote in my previous post that "debates with you go on for hours and go nowhere, and no offence, but I just can't be bothered". I took it out 'cos it sounded mean.
Now I don't think it does.
I wrote in my previous post that "debates with you go on for hours and go nowhere, and no offence, but I just can't be bothered". I took it out 'cos it sounded mean.
Now I don't think it does.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34325.msg893368#msg893368 date=1245748485]
well johnson is certainly rated, everyone I've spoken to (supporters of other teams) think he is quality.
in this day and age you have to pay for quality. who thought rio was worth 30 mil 9 years ago?
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My Manc supporting friend thinks Johnson is the best RB in the league and its a fantastic signing evening though it was a bit expensive.
well johnson is certainly rated, everyone I've spoken to (supporters of other teams) think he is quality.
in this day and age you have to pay for quality. who thought rio was worth 30 mil 9 years ago?
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My Manc supporting friend thinks Johnson is the best RB in the league and its a fantastic signing evening though it was a bit expensive.
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A fair enough summary.
Why is anyone taking this report seriously? How the fuck would the journalist know what wages Johnson's on? Apart from anything else, Johnson supposedly ruled out signing for City at the beginning of the bidding process because he wanted CL football. And why would we have to raise our offer to £100k just because City offered £80k? It makes no sense at all, and I don't believe it.
I also think the club deserves a bit of kudos for getting Mascher and his agent to agree to wages of only £30k per week. That must have been some fucking pep talk from Rafa! It probably is time to offer him more now though.
I also think the club deserves a bit of kudos for getting Mascher and his agent to agree to wages of only £30k per week. That must have been some fucking pep talk from Rafa! It probably is time to offer him more now though.
This blog from the BBC's business editor suggests that we might have to start cutting our wage bill/transfer expenditure pretty soon. Or will players be sold to balance the books?
What cracks me up is the constant over-reaction to players being overpaid and that it will put a huge dent on our operating expenses (OPEX), blah blah blah
Yet the players are bought and within their first few games, nobody will mention anything bout their wages anymore.
There is a reason a financial controller is put in place in any organization, football clubs included.
It's his friggin job to know what's the maximum wage a player can be afforded.
Yet the players are bought and within their first few games, nobody will mention anything bout their wages anymore.
There is a reason a financial controller is put in place in any organization, football clubs included.
It's his friggin job to know what's the maximum wage a player can be afforded.
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Ah, , BUT where he said 'it will put a hugge dent in our operating expenses' I assumed he meant our transfer budget, so he was only right because I missunderstood him. Normality is returned!
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No, he was only right because the coin he tossed came down on the side of OPEX.
Ah, , BUT where he said 'it will put a hugge dent in our operating expenses' I assumed he meant our transfer budget, so he was only right because I missunderstood him. Normality is returned!
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No, he was only right because the coin he tossed came down on the side of OPEX.
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