Mignolet?
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Can't remember the last time he put a foot wrong.
There's not much choice now, the club played their hand with Karius and had to fold. Where can they really go next, if they try again to replace Mignolet it isn't going to provide competition for him, it isn't going to put him under any pressure, it's just going to make him think we're retards, he'll simply call our dickheaded bluff, and laugh at us from the bench as we lose all our chips with some cunt like Pickford or Hart.
Karius has to go on loan for the season. Mignolet has been in very good form the last few months and dropping him won't achieve anything.
I'd actually prefer that we sell him and bring someone better in..but I don't know if that player is available, affordable or even exists.
I'd actually prefer that we sell him and bring someone better in..but I don't know if that player is available, affordable or even exists.
Agreed - a PL loan (or other European top league) for Karius needs to happen.
I'm with @The Nomad in team Ward - he had a cracking play off semi for hudderfield too - would love to see him either return or do a PL season with Huddersfield should they get promo.
I'm with @The Nomad in team Ward - he had a cracking play off semi for hudderfield too - would love to see him either return or do a PL season with Huddersfield should they get promo.
Yeah, you would imagine the player himself isn't too chuffed from being voted one of the best keepers in the Bundesliga and establishing himself as a number one, to being reserve to Mignolet.
Not that he has anyone to blame but himself.
Yeah I'd be regretting my decision if I was him. To his credit tho, his comments have often been very positive and team focused.
I get the feeling that he was overwhelmed and was simply thinking too much about things. This is exactly the same issue Mignolet has had whilst he has been with us. Both clearly have the ability to be great keepers, Perhaps the way our coaches review incidents/games/training needs to change. We could have signed De Gea and destroyed his confidence too.
At what point does "confidence" become replaced with "ability" and "obvious flaws"?
Karius looked a disaster every time the ball was delivered at height into his area.
He has looked rubbish. I recall reading prior to his transfer that one of his strengths was corners & crosses and the stats were pretty impressive. It's almost like one of those freaky Friday movies, he's obviously been replaced by an imposter, an 11 year old school girl is current residing in his body.
I said at the end of last season Mignolet was improving. When we signed Karius I said Mignolet should still be first choice and doesnt deserve to be dropped. Hes become one of the most consistent keepers in the league now and all but cut out costly mistakes, couple that with a stable back 4 and hes been unflappable. He should 100% be our keeper next season.
Its not even a remotely difficult decision.
Its not even a remotely difficult decision.
Yeah, you don't put up with 3 years of mediocrity and ship him once he starts to shake off some problems in his game. Keep him and give Kingslayer the EFL, and maybe fa cup. Ming is still no world beater, but the guy seems to have remembered he has a bollock (perhaps even two?) and looks comfy/cocky of late.
I'd be surprised if he has even one, given how many he's dropped over the years.
There or 4 or 5 key attributes top quality keepers need to have.
1.Shot stopping. I dont think this has ever been questioned with Mignolet, hes up there with the best and made some unreal saves this season.
2.Command of your box. The last 3 months Mignolet has been masterful at claiming the ball and knowing when to punch. Hes clearly worked hard on it and its really showing. A big tick for me here.
3.Marshalling a defence. If you watch him now, hes gone mental at them, screaming and organising. So different to what he used to be. Balls is the right word and again gets a big tick for this.
4.Kicking/ball at your feet. Whilst he isnt great at this, there arent many teams who ask their keeper to play with the ball as much as we do, maybe City and Spurs the exceptions. Is he brilliant at it? No, but not the worst in the world and he does know when to lash it clear.
5.Finally CONTROLLING the ball, the ability to not drop it and flap and give it away and do things that cost goals. Definitely the one you would have said sack him off for, but I genuinely cant think of many, of any occassions this season where his poor decision has cost us. He has massively improved and rarely fucks up at all now.
If you throw in the fact he has played behind
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This season and played 4/5th of the season with no DM I honesty think hes been brilliant this year.
If we had a spare 40m to get a world class keeper then sure everyone is replaceable but there are probably 8 other players id replace first.
At 28 he should continue to improve as his head gets wiser to the game.
No issue for me. No way would I sell or replace unless we had limitless money.
Courtois, Lloris and De Gea are the only better keepers in the league. And they are all absolute world class.
1.Shot stopping. I dont think this has ever been questioned with Mignolet, hes up there with the best and made some unreal saves this season.
2.Command of your box. The last 3 months Mignolet has been masterful at claiming the ball and knowing when to punch. Hes clearly worked hard on it and its really showing. A big tick for me here.
3.Marshalling a defence. If you watch him now, hes gone mental at them, screaming and organising. So different to what he used to be. Balls is the right word and again gets a big tick for this.
4.Kicking/ball at your feet. Whilst he isnt great at this, there arent many teams who ask their keeper to play with the ball as much as we do, maybe City and Spurs the exceptions. Is he brilliant at it? No, but not the worst in the world and he does know when to lash it clear.
5.Finally CONTROLLING the ball, the ability to not drop it and flap and give it away and do things that cost goals. Definitely the one you would have said sack him off for, but I genuinely cant think of many, of any occassions this season where his poor decision has cost us. He has massively improved and rarely fucks up at all now.
If you throw in the fact he has played behind
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Matip-Lucas
Matip-Lovren
Lucas-Klavan
Lucas-Lovren
Lovren-Klavan
And
Lovren-Gomez
This season and played 4/5th of the season with no DM I honesty think hes been brilliant this year.
If we had a spare 40m to get a world class keeper then sure everyone is replaceable but there are probably 8 other players id replace first.
At 28 he should continue to improve as his head gets wiser to the game.
No issue for me. No way would I sell or replace unless we had limitless money.
Courtois, Lloris and De Gea are the only better keepers in the league. And they are all absolute world class.
There's some merit in that statement. Certainly it isn't totally absurd, even with all the hype around the likes of Pickford, who seems a decent shotstopper, but can look rubbish in the air and can't kick either.
But we don't have to buy a keeper from this league, as evidenced by all of the above being bought from other leagues.
Really? So you think if Karius left Mignolet would suddenly stop doing all the things he now does well? Coz fuck it?
Naaah.
For sure, I didnt mean we couldnt get better buts its 20m minimum for a improvement. And I dont think theres 20m worth of improvement to be made.
Nobody was as down on him in his first season with us as I, but I think hes developed into a cracking keeper. He should never have been dropped and reacted with hard work and a marked improvement.......maybe that was the point.
wow, that's a turnaround. Fair play.
I'd love to sell him if we had a 100% Premiership proven replacement. But we don't it seems, so we keep him.
it happened after Bogdan played a few games and was shit. it happened a few months after he was dropped for Jones. I think he really needs competition.
I think hes improved massively as a player since then.
well, I'd rather you be right
Its a big conundrum as going by form, you have to keep him. However, the worry is that its just a purple patch.
If there was the opportunity to get a genuine world class keeper, I'd still do it. I don't see Karius ever reaching such heights so he should be the first one to go.
If there was the opportunity to get a genuine world class keeper, I'd still do it. I don't see Karius ever reaching such heights so he should be the first one to go.
Agree with all of that, I like many others absolutely HATED seeing his name on the teamsheet in previous years as he was Uber-shite but fair credit to him he has noticeably improved on every area of weakness that he had, he is WAY better at kicking the ball and clearing the area than he ever was before, in short he is actually playing with confidence now and not scaring the fuck out of his defenders nor the crowd.
He was really good this season and won us points.
I think he deserves his shirt next season, we should definitely have replaced him with a top class keeper but for once we got lucky and saved money.
He was one of our best players since the new year and he deserves credit for that having been written off numerous times in the past. That said its not a huge amount of time to base an opinion on given how wildly his form has fluctuated over the last 3 seasons. For me he's now in the same bracket as Clyne, if there was an obviously superior option available at a good price then we would be foolish not to consider it, but based on the current strengths and weaknesses in the squad there are at least 4 or 5 other first team places that need to be addressed before he would be the weakest link.
He has been very good the last 3-4 months. Karius was the 3:rd best keeper in the Bundesliga last year so no doubt he has the quality and he was signed as first choice.
The big question (re Mignolet) for me is how Mignolet reacts after his next big mistake. Has he the mental strength to shake it off? I´m not so sure...And what should we do then? Play Karius a couple of games until he fucks it up and change again (like this season)?
Keep Mignolet and sell the one who Klopp wanted as first choice? That doesn´t make sense (after just one season) and I don´t believe Klopp will do it.
For me the question what to do is quite difficult.
The big question (re Mignolet) for me is how Mignolet reacts after his next big mistake. Has he the mental strength to shake it off? I´m not so sure...And what should we do then? Play Karius a couple of games until he fucks it up and change again (like this season)?
Keep Mignolet and sell the one who Klopp wanted as first choice? That doesn´t make sense (after just one season) and I don´t believe Klopp will do it.
For me the question what to do is quite difficult.
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