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Poll Mignolet v Karius

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Who do you want as first choice Keeper for the remainder of this season

  • Mignolet

  • Karius


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No team is going to sell us a top class keeper in the middle of the season when they are all chasing titles or CL qualification.

Allisson, Oblak, Reina, etc. None of these are going to move now no matter what we pay. If we r get a keeper now it's going to be Butland
I'm not sure you can say that with complete confidence. If we offer top dollar for a rated keeper we might just snag one.

He's not necessarily in The Oblak bracket, but for instance Bilbao's keeper 'Kepa' has been consistently linked with Real this season and has a 20m odd release clause. I'm not saying buy him (I don't know enough about him - but have seen him play live vs Real when in Bilbao), but there's likely other examples.
 
I'm not sure you can say that with complete confidence. If we offer top dollar for a rated keeper we might just snag one.

He's not necessarily in The Oblak bracket, but for instance Bilbao's keeper 'Kepa' has been consistently linked with Real this season and has a 20m odd release clause. I'm not saying buy him (I don't know enough about him - but have seen him play live vs Real when in Bilbao), but there's likely other examples.
Please tell me you pronounce the name 'Kepa' 'keeper'.

If so I think we should sign him just for that reason alone.
 


Klopp is correct on his assessment and its something I alluded to in my own post about turning our goalkeepers into shit. But on the other side of things - it comes down to what Graeme Souness said the other night after the City win. Neither of our goalkeepers have done anything that you could say is amazing - or rather saved a shot that was a dead certainty in a split second. If they did that on a regular basis like De Gea or other top goalkeepers then their mistakes would be less publicised and people would not focus on them. But then of course when you play for a team that has the ball the most - you are really not called into action that much and therefore there are few chances to save.

Man United play deep and therefore allow teams to come at them more , it gives De Gea more practice to deal with a crowded penalty area, or take Ederson's mistake for the fourth goal - probably the first time he has been under stress and he royally fucked up. You can never tell with goalkeepers and how they may perform - spending too much on one is a dangerous game. I agree with @FoxForceFive in that other thread when it comes to goalkeepers.
 
Klopp seems imminently sensible there.

I was just thinking about our goalkeeping situation , and i can think of only one thing that could have made it worse. Hart on loan.

Imagine having that goalkeeping trio to choose from
 
Klopp seems imminently sensible there.

I was just thinking about our goalkeeping situation , and i can think of only one thing that could have made it worse. Hart on loan.

Imagine having that goalkeeping trio to choose from

LOL:-

Sort of Shit, Shit, and Shitter
 
Klopp seems imminently sensible there.

I was just thinking about our goalkeeping situation , and i can think of only one thing that could have made it worse. Hart on loan.

Imagine having that goalkeeping trio to choose from

Yeah, I’m so glad we dodged that bullet. Fair play for Moyes for dropping him BTW - Adrian instantly made them better.
 
Yeah, I’m so glad we dodged that bullet. Fair play for Moyes for dropping him BTW - Adrian instantly made them better.

Adrian loves to hang a towel at the right side of his net, I am not sure why he does that. I must have seen 2-3 worldies hitting that side of the net. Instinctively when shooting it's easier to aim at an object than a whole net i would reckon.
 
Adrian loves to hang a towel at the right side of his net, I am not sure why he does that. I must have seen 2-3 worldies hitting that side of the net. Instinctively when shooting it's easier to aim at an object than a whole net i would reckon.
Players aren’t going to instinctively look at a towel on the net and aim for it.
 
Adrian loves to hang a towel at the right side of his net, I am not sure why he does that. I must have seen 2-3 worldies hitting that side of the net. Instinctively when shooting it's easier to aim at an object than a whole net i would reckon.

They do it to have a relatively dry towel to use on their gloves. Putting it on the floor means it would soak up water from the ground and be harder to get to in a split second.. Didn't realise it wasn't obvious?
 
Keepers like Karius and Ming epitomise that old saying, 'It's not the despair that hurts so much, it's the hope'. If you have a clearly ineffectual keeper there's no real pain and no great saga, you simply know they've got to be binned. It's the keepers who aren't good enough but offer you just enough to think that, just maybe, given time, they might improve enough - they're the ones who cause you the most intense and enduring distress. And we've specialised in that kind of keeper ever since Grobbelaar - who himself, of course, began his LFC career as a particularly agonising example of that very type (and whose subsequent progress is probably responsible for some fans being so ambivalent in spite of similarly chaotic starts by his successors).
 
Klopp has a point. Imagine we get (Alisson/Oblak/Insert any their name here) and in their first few games they make mistakes, the whole world will be calling for their head and say they aren’t good enough-we need someone else.

In saying that, we need a new GK lol
 
Klopp has a point. Imagine we get (Alisson/Oblak/Insert any their name here) and in their first few games they make mistakes, the whole world will be calling for their head and say they aren’t good enough-we need someone else.

In saying that, we need a new GK lol
Nah. In recent history, we saw some of the errors Reina made. It’s just that we also saw Reina say fuck it, I made an error but I’m boss and I’m just going to continue doing what I’m great at, and he contiues to play brilliant football.
It’s when the goalie just looks a nervous wreck, gets too scared to come out, too scared to play it out quickly, has no confidence in telling defenders what to do, etc, and being generally shit that’s the problem.
 
The addition of some leadership into our 18 yard box could bring some improvement to both our hapless keepers but I'm completely finished with them. They are both mentally too weak and we are not going to be consistently challenging for honours with either of them in our net.

Mignolet can pull off some incredible saves only to flap uselessly at the resulting corner or stand rooted watching a rebound trickle over the line. I imagine him congratulating himself or daydreaming the back-page headlines after his initial save and I find myself screaming, so often, "Focus Ming!". He may have worked hard at some aspects of his game, but the fact remains that for every 2 shots, he faces, on target, 1 goal is conceded.

Karius doesn't even have the odd fantastic save to offer in his defence, how was this joker supposed to have been the 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga before we bought him? This lad is right up there amongst the most disappointing signings of all time.

I'm certain both keepers are affected by the crowd and they seem a bundle of nerves on occasion, but if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. this is the level they profess to be playing at and no amount of agility or athleticism can justify their position if they do not have the correct mentality. We wouldn't even remember the name Jamie Carragher if he'd buckled under the criticism and barracking he received from the crowd in his earlier seasons.
 
I honestly am not sure of the answer to this, but what do you think goalkeeping coaches should be doing during a game? I looked at Achterberg recently on a couple of occasions and he seemed to just be absorbed in the match, following the action wherever it went. Maybe naively I thought that kind of coach would spend most of his time watching the keeper that he coached - not just what he did when the action was up that end, but also what he was doing when left on his own. Pretty boring, I guess, but arguably necessary. Maybe he has footage to study the day after, that would make sense, but you'd surely hope, one way or another, he gets that detailed scrutiny of his keepers.
 
60% of posters think that Mignolet should be in goal for the rest of the season - maybe we should run the poll again now after that shocking display on Saturday, yet another in his portfolio of inept performances that make him statistically the worst keeper in the league, a fact that Anfield bears pained witness to every other week.

How is it that 50,000 of us can see with our own eyes how truly awful he is and have to watch every other goalie in the league giving him a lesson in the art of making saves, yet Achterburg & Klopp keep picking him? He let the ball go into his net 5 times on Saturday. Playing for Liverpool. At home. Against West Brom. Just waved at the ball as it went past him and the 2 offsides are no defence because the only time he lifted his arms in the game were when he appealed to the linesman to bail him out.

He is a lard-arsed, leaden-footed, limp-wristed, girlie-kicking, slo-mo-reacting, dim-witted, soft-headed, weak-willed, gimp-faced, £60k-a-week-stealer-of-a-living THUNDERCUNT who should never, ever play for us again.

And the same goes for Moreno the brainless twat
 
Goalkeepers' union time... I take his point about ignorance - any time I criticise a keeper a voice inside reminds me I know next to nothing about the reality of that role, and I do think super slo-mo replays, as with those of fouls/dives, lures us into a timeless world in which all kinds of things 'could' happen that wouldn't happen in the nano second of reality in which the real action takes place. (Gary Neville's occasional goalkeeping 'master classes' on Sky are particularly risible.) Then again, we surely all know what a truly awful goalkeeping performance is, and we saw that with our own eyes on Saturday.




By Mark Schwarzer For The Daily Mail
PUBLISHED: 22:33, 28 January 2018 | UPDATED: 10:39, 29 January 2018


Goalkeepers are easy to blame. It is simple to point the finger at the last line of defence, even for former professionals who are now pundits.

I am happy for people to be critical, to give an opinion — I do it myself on TV and radio — but more often than not I find the assessments of goalkeeping, a specialist position, are cheap throw-aways or inaccurate.

Last season’s Champions League final was a prime example. Mario Mandzukic scored for Juventus with a shot that went over Real Madrid goalkeeper Keylor Navas. In the TV studio, two respected former internationals said Navas had been showing off — rather than prioritising the save — by going for the ball with his top hand.

I was baffled by their lack of understanding. There is a logical biomechanical reason goalkeepers reach for the ball like that. When diving, at a certain height and body position, you can reach further with your top hand.


Yet the guys in the studio said Navas had been show-boating. That is lame and if you do not know some of the basic technical elements of goalkeeping, then it is best not to comment.

I am not the oracle on football but some of the punditry on my position is bemusing.

I have found that if one person says something about a keeper, the others tend to agree rather than challenge. The tendency is to go with the opinion on the table rather than form their own.

Liverpool’s Simon Mignolet has been this season’s whipping boy. He has made mistakes — just as I did numerous times during my 22-year career. But a lot of the time he is unfairly criticised.

People do not recognise when he plays well because it does not fit the story. When Liverpool were very close to winning the league in 2013-14, Mignolet was a key man. Now people are jumping on the bandwagon and, instead of analysing the goals that Liverpool concede, the stock comment is that they will never win the title because he is not good enough.

That is unfair. You expect it from people on social media, but not former players.

Liverpool are a very attack-minded team but when it breaks down there is little cover from the three, four or even five men who have joined the attack.

There are times when Mignolet could have played better but nobody points out that any goalkeeper is going to be put under extreme pressure because of the system the team play.

At the other extreme, this season has been a David de Gea love-in. One person says he is world-class and everyone nods their heads without any analysis.

David is a very good goalkeeper. He is world-class with his reflexes and makes exceptional saves but, when you break it down, I do not think he is the best because of two other areas of a goalkeeper’s game: dominating the 18-yard box and sweeping up behind the defence. He is good with the ball at his feet but I do not think he uses it enough.

By a small margin, Manuel Neuer is the best because he is the complete keeper. He is exceptional on his line, brilliant at dominating his penalty area and awesome at playing a high line.

But you rarely hear a discussion with the same level of expertise as when pundits talk about Kevin De Bruyne or Mo Salah. Too often, the viewer would switch off the TV thinking De Gea was the best in the world and Mignolet the worst. Neither is true.

I have had a lot of conversations with pundits after we have gone off-air. On-air, they have an opinion which can be quite scathing of goalkeeping. Then afterwards they will say, ‘You know better than me, I’ve got no clue really.’

I can see why both Liverpool keepers — Mignolet and Loris Karius — have been miffed at their treatment. Criticism is something you accept and expect as a goalkeeper, it is the nature of the role, but not when it is vicious, disrespectful and has an agenda.Particularly when it is from former players you know would not have been able to handle that kind of criticism themselves.

A lot of pundits want a response and the publicity. It is ironic that if a goalkeeper does not attempt to reach a shot, he is almost let off. The view will be: ‘He had no chance’. Yet if he does well to get a decent hand on it, they will say he should have saved it! That cannot be right and underlines a lack of expertise on the position.

I do not get it. Maybe it is just a case of ‘goalkeepers are different’ and the position is misunderstood.
 
But is Ming "...under extreme pressure..." hasn't he had to make fewer saves than almost any other keeper?
 
Mignolet wasn't at fault for any of WBA's goals on Saturday. People are looking for a scapegoat and the keeper just happens to be a convenient player to finger.

Sometimes you lose a game because on the night, the opposition is just better. The defeat doesn't indicate any fundamental weaknesses in the squad.
 
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