Michael Beale leaving?

[manwithnoname]

Yep that last bit is very true.
Who would have thought a translator with a clipboard would become the world's most sought after manager.
It's all guesswork and people thinking they know who's going to be a good coach is really stupid.

Yeah. It always winds me up when some dopey cunt goes on about how top players are less likely to make a top manager (or coach) and talk about Mourinho, Klopp, Benitez or Wenger as being examples of how not being quite good enough as players motivated them to be great managers

Now, I'm no fucking stats expert, but I think the reason there may be a possible imbalance is perhaps because THERE ARE MORE AVERAGE FOOTBALLERS THAN REALLY FUCKING GOOD ONES

 

[Fabio]

Can't motivate players?
Absolute bollox.
He motivated players constantly and made some fairly average players look good.
You're too cool for school hatred towards Gerrard that you've shown on here for years is tragic.

Which average players did he look good? I thought the reason we didn't win the league umpteen times was because Gerrard was surrounded by dross

And its not hatred. Hatred implies I have a strong feeling for him as a person. I don't.

Fantastic player on his day, and almost unrivalled talent, but he was not a motivator. He dragged teams through matches, but he didnt get gee everyone up. As JJ said, he spent a good amount t of time berating his team mates rather than motivating them

 

[Fabio]

Yep that last bit is very true.
Who would have thought a translator with a clipboard would become the world's most sought after manager.
It's all guesswork and people thinking they know who's going to be a good coach is really stupid.

You're right. My major qualm was people clamouring for him to get the under 23 job when he's done nothing of note coaching wise

 

[Leo]

Which average players did he look good? I thought the reason we didn't win the league umpteen times was because Gerrard was surrounded by dross

And its not hatred. Hatred implies I have a strong feeling for him as a person. I don't.

Fantastic player on his day, and almost unrivalled talent, but he was not a motivator. He dragged teams through matches, but he didnt get gee everyone up. As JJ said, he spent a good amount t of time berating his team mates rather than motivating them

Pongolle,Ciise,Crouch etc etc.
There loads.
I'd love to see this proof of Gerrard berating teammates on the pitch too.
I remember Carra doing it with Arbeloa who was used as an example of a motivator.

 

[Judge Jules]

Mate, he was always at it. You won't exactly find clips of it on youtube, but if you didn't see it when you watched Liverpool games in Stevie's time you just weren't looking. He was one of our best ever players, but he was a VERY long way from being that good as a captain.

 

[Leo]

Souness fantastic captain but rubbish coach.

 

[Judge Jules]

For sure. If the point you're making is that there's no automatic connection between the two, I totally agree, but that works for Stevie as well.

 

[manwithnoname]

I'm confused. Gerrard wasn't a great Captain?

What the fuck? What criteria is everyone using?

Because, GYAC, the only one that counts is how good a player he is, and how many trophies we win under him

Other than that, who gives a fuck? Or is anyone suggesting that under a 'better' captain than Stevie, we'd have won more?

 

[HC]

I dont understand why he's being written off or why it'd necessarily ruin him?

I'd argue that learning at the academy where klopp and his team have oversight is arguably the best possible place he could be. There's plenty in for him. Whether or not the U23s or whichevever squad he was involved with would benefit quite as much is another question but youd have to imagine thered be a top support infrastructure there to assist and help.

 

[Judge Jules]

Stevie spent all his time complaining at other players and throwing his arms up in frustration, never tempering that with encouragement as Carra knew how to do. Sometimes it worked but often it didn't, some players visibly wilted under it and more than once on my (admittedly few) visits to Anfield for home games during his time as skipper I heard fans complain about it. I say again, as a player Stevie was one of our best ever, everybody knows there were games he won by individual brilliance and he'd definitely be in my idea of the All-Time XI. No way on this planet would he be skipper though.

 

[manwithnoname]

So you think we'd have been more successful with Carragher as Captain as opposed to Gerrard?

 

[Judge Jules]

It's possible. I certainly think there are probably other players who would have performed better, and we'll never know what difference that might have made.

 

[gkmacca]

I think a case could be made for arguing that Houllier shouldn't have taken the captaincy off Sami and given it to Gerrard. It was more like a reward for being the up and coming star rather than for showing leadership qualities, and one of the things that it did was to give him the licence to do as he wished just when he needed to be learning the greater discipline needed to play in centre midfield. A year or two more under Hyypia's guidance might have made him readier for the role.

Having said that, I don't get the anxiety about Gerrard coaching at all. If he goes to the academy he'll be under the tutelage of Alex Inglethorpe and Steve Heighway, and neither man will tolerate any nonsense. He'll get a chance to try and prove himself, and if he does, then great, and if he doesn't, he'll be moved on pretty sharpish. There's nothing to lose and maybe plenty to gain.

 

[YNWA]

Anyone thing Pep Lijnders could take over the U23s along with the Futures group he currently coaches at Melwood

 

[Modo]

Would Hyypia be a decent option?

 

[Judge Jules]

His record as a manager isn't great (a decent start dwindled away at Leverkusen and he seems to have been a washout at Bournemouth) so I wouldn't have thought the signs were encouraging.

 

[gkmacca]

Would Hyypia be a decent option?

He's liked, that's the only reason he gets mentioned. He's been poor as a manager, communicates with all the charisma of a wet rag and isn't really a coach. So no.

 

[Insignificance]

I think Koeman would love the job..

 

[Hansern]

I hope Dirk Kuyt wants to get into coaching. Think he'd make an excellent coach to have at the Acadamy/club.

 

[King Binny]

Although I do not quite get why Sammy Lee is so highly rated (or once appear to be so), would he be a possibility?

[article]Sammy Lee has left his role as England’s assistant manager. The coach played a key role in supporting Gareth Southgate during his recent interim period in charge of the England team after Sam Allardyce’s departure.

As new manager Southgate prepares to assemble his backroom team having this week been appointed to the role on a permanent basis, Lee has now departed the England set-up with the Football Association’s best wishes.

Gareth Southgate: ‘I want to give England a team that they’re proud of’

“I have great respect for Sammy,” said Southgate. “He is somebody who I worked with as a player and his personality and professionalism were excellent throughout my period as interim manager. I felt it was important for me to bring in my own support team and Sammy fully respected that.

“I was grateful with the way he helped to steady the ship throughout October and November and we wish him well for the future.”

Lee originally linked up with England for a second time in July as Allardyce’s assistant. Prior to that, the two-time European Cup winner with Liverpool had worked with the national team during Sven-Goran Eriksson’s tenure.

Lee commented: “I should like to place on record my sincere thanks to the FA for the opportunity they gave me to work with the national team. It has been a great honour.

“I should also like to thank the players and staff for their support during this period of my career and wish them all the very best for the future. In particular I wish Gareth and his new coaching team every success in the future.”

The FA stated that further appointments to Southgate’s backroom staff will be announced in due course.[/article]

 

[Judge Jules]

Macca will know more about how he was regarded when he was at LFC before, but I didn't get the impression he made a particularly good impression then.

 

[gkmacca]

Very popular as a man and well-respected as a coach. Very versatile, excellent at executing whatever style and plan a manager wants, and brilliant at working one-on-one improving players. I think the fact Koeman chose him to work with him at Southampton, and only decided not to take him to Everton for the obvious reasons, was a sign of how highly regarded he is in the game as a coach. But he's not a visionary coach, an idealistic one in the style of Rodgers. You tell him what you want and he'll design a hyper-professional system to implement it. I'd take him over Beale any day, because he'd be at least as effective as Beale in developing a certain style, but, unlike Beale, he'd also instil in players an acute awareness of the importance of winning games rather than prancing around meeting certain technical targets. But he's getting on a bit now, and maybe it's a job better suited to a younger man.

 

[jexykrodic]

Dennis Bergkamp started with the under 12s at Ajax.

You have to be very careful how you phrase these things nowadays.