Maureen
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So after how much money spent and how many years in the job will you write him off ?
I'm hoping a decade, & all of the moneys.
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I thought the word clunge did not exits outside the Inbetweeners
Actually the data you present does not corroborate your statement that "The norm with Mourinho is to bed in during the first season and win the title in his second season" - what it does show is that the norm for Mourinho Mk1 was to win it in the first (full) season (Porto, Chelsea 1.0, Milan), while Mourinho Mk2 followed your hypotheses (Madrid, Chelsea 2.0).
I humbly suggest we are now on Mourinho Mk3 where the norm will be for his first season to be one of mediocrity and his second to be meltdown into relegation. I am very confident of this.
I agree, and I reckon the beginnings of it were already apparent in the latter part of his second spell at Chelsea.
Players all go over the hill at some point. Why wouldn't managers, especially those who behave and manage "on the edge" like Mourinho?
Players all go over the hill at some point. Why wouldn't managers, especially those who behave and manage "on the edge" like Mourinho?
And past success is no indication of future success.
Based on your thinking, Moyes should have strolled to league title after league title.
City should win the league every year.
As for Inter while dominating the league they never made a dent in the CL, not only did they win it, they also won the league and the domestic cup.
As we all know a treble is a really hard thing to win (we never managed to do even when we were dominating)
Your point while it has some merit that he should be successful is never that easy and their are many many managers who were given the same and failed badly, both at Chelsea and Real.
Hate him or not his record over the last 13 years is the best out their and by some distance.
You might want to consider going for a lie down and drinking some water.......
Has he lost it though?
It's not like they were winning before he took over.
He'll get a 2nd season and that's when he'll be dangerous.
I hope to God he gets the boot before then.
He's never left a team since going to Porto before winning a title or 3.
Regardless of what he does at Utd he will always go down as one of the greatest of all time, simply because of that record above coupled with his success in Europe and domestic cups.
He's won the CL with two teams that nobody expected to win.
In terms of being a failure at Utd and writing him off?
Only after he has been sacked and they haven't won a league title or a CL.
For the record, I agree, its look very shaky for him which is brilliant for us, but I won't write off the great active manager in the world, with the most expensive squad in the league and one of the biggest names in terms of pulling power, until he's actually gone.
I really hope so, really depends on if they climb the table.
Every one of my utd supporting friends are happy with the football and believe the results will come.
If he get's another year history suggests he'll win the league
He's never had competition like he does now.
More recent history says if things go bad, he makes excuses and wreaks havoc in the dressing room before getting the boot.
We've won a treble twice.
We won't win a treble under Klopp but we will have lots of fun and get to many finals with him and maybe win a league title. But I don't think Klopp is a cup final specialist - he does not change the game situation no matter the opposition for him it is just about going forward and keeping the ball and pressing - that is his game plan and I love it but I also know that we will lose key games playing like that. We shall see though.
Technically Guardiola's is better...and i don't like Guardiola
Ha, it's sh*t when most of ye are in bed 🙂
I don't think anyone is debating your above statements, I'm merely pointing out how ludicrous it is to claim he isn't as good as his record shows.
Guess it depends on the criteria for selection.
Winning titles in 3 of the 4 big leagues as well as winning the CL from a country outside of that is more impressive in my opinion.
If Pep goes onto to win league titles and CL's with City then he will pass him out, if Jose is as finished as so many on here think he is.
So when he guided Chelsea to the title in 05 he didn't have competition from the most successful domestic manager in English football history in terms of league title in Ferguson or Arsenal's invincibles??
Or when Real won the league, did Barca just up and vanish?
The myth that the competition is tougher now, is just that, he's always had competition, in fact back then he had established teams with settled squads full of players who win titles year in year out to compete with.
It could be argued beating those teams were much more difficult than now where there is no powerhouse in English football.
We've had four different winners in the last four years and 3 different runners up.
You could argue that now is the best time to dominate the English game as nobody is that strong.
Just look at the CL, English teams have been struggling to make an impact for a few years now.
Heck Leicester city managed to win the fecking thing
You said we'd never won 'a treble'.
Pep's been managing 7 years and won 6 leagues and 2 champions leagues. I think he's had it relatively easy given what he had at his disposal (Messi and then all the best players in Germany), but in such a timeframe that's impressive compared to Mourinho.
It's no real surprise to see him caught up in a tax avoidance scandal but it's not really what he could do with right now.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38191470
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38191470
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