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Manchester United bond issue suffers from lack of support

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Manchester United's first bond issue, launched barely a fortnight ago, is in danger of falling flat after analysts confirmed it has become one of the market’s worst performers this year.

Last week, the club confirmed it had raised the £500 million investment they sought to get the club’s spiralling debts under control. However, the price of United’s £250 million sterling denominated bonds has tumbled to just 93 per cent of their original face value, while the value of the $425 million of dollar-denominated bonds has fallen to 94.5 per cent of their face value. More than 50 low-risk investors, primarily insurers and pension-fund providers, stumped up the cash at a fixed annual interest rate of 9 per cent. However, if an investor had bought a £100,000 bond, he would have made a loss of £5,000.

Some analysts are claiming the bonds have been priced too highly, although the club have declined to comment.

“In a benign credit market, Manchester United is one of the worst performing bonds since the beginning of 2009,†Suki Mann, a credit strategist in London at Societe Generale, told the Financial Times.

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The club could issue more debt by increasing the size of the bond, but are reportedly not keen to return to the market at the moment.

United had initially raised the funds after club officials embarked on a week-long series of “road shows†across three continents, sporting a “warts-and-all†322-page prospectus in a desperate bid to woo investors. According to the latest accounts for the year ended June 2009, United owed £509 million to international banks.

The money raised through bonds will be used to pay back that debt, secured against the club. But while the annual interest bill will remain largely unaffected, United, crucially, will be freed of the strict financial conditions imposed by lenders that would have made life extremely difficult for the Barclays Premier League champions if they were less successful on the pitch.

United will face an annual interest bill of £45 million on the bonds, similar to the £41.2 million paid in the last financial year, but unlike the debt at present secured against the club, the bonds do not mature until 2017.

Supporters’ groups who have campaigned for the removal of the Glazers are appalled at the amount of borrowing.
 
By the looks of it, LFC would be wise to stay from such an option. Some people on another thread for advocating this but it would only seem to make this worse.
Although UTD do have their "Red Knights" in the wings waiting to see what happens.
 
I love the fact that they are now denying that they made the players sit through a presentation regarding the bond issue and were expecting their own players to invest in the club. They are denying it now but apparently the story broke through the players.

They are in a bigger mess than us (if you don't look at the league table, CL fixture list or Carling Cup final line up).
 
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I love the fact that they are now denying that they made the players sit through a presentation regarding the bond issue and were expecting their own players to invest in the club. They are denying it now but apparently the story broke through the players.

They are in a bigger mess than us (if you don't look at the league table, CL fixture list or Carling Cup final line up).
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That's true, apparently according to one of the analysits, the people who have bought at an higher than normal coupon rate of 9%, are the ones who already have a debt with UTD, so the number of new investors take up is low which will not help.
 
As much as I detest Manchester Utd, how the fuck has this mess been allowed to happen ?
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38789.msg1048917#msg1048917 date=1265280455]
As much as I detest Manchester Utd, how the fuck has this mess been allowed to happen ?
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Maybe an someone with more knowledge on this can suggest more but the facts they bough the club with borrowed money and in order to service the massive interest payments, without selling large chunks to investors, they see this as the only way I assume. They have people in charge who will treat the club purely as business without any personal care for the club, so they need to make a profit and assume they will do what's necessary to do this.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38789.msg1048917#msg1048917 date=1265280455]
As much as I detest Manchester Utd, how the fuck has this mess been allowed to happen ?
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Karma.
 
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[quote author=themn link=topic=38789.msg1048917#msg1048917 date=1265280455]
As much as I detest Manchester Utd, how the fuck has this mess been allowed to happen ?
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Maybe an someone with more knowledge on this can suggest more but the facts they bough the club with borrowed money and in order to service the massive interest payments, without selling large chunks to investors, they see this as the only way I assume. They have people in charge who will treat the club purely as business without any personal care for the club, so they need to make a profit and assume they will do what's necessary to do this.
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But Man U was fine (business-wise as well as footie) as they were.

Why would the previous owners sell ?

LOL@ Pesam !
 
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[quote author=rubans link=topic=38789.msg1048922#msg1048922 date=1265280951]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38789.msg1048917#msg1048917 date=1265280455]
As much as I detest Manchester Utd, how the fuck has this mess been allowed to happen ?
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Maybe an someone with more knowledge on this can suggest more but the facts they bough the club with borrowed money and in order to service the massive interest payments, without selling large chunks to investors, they see this as the only way I assume. They have people in charge who will treat the club purely as business without any personal care for the club, so they need to make a profit and assume they will do what's necessary to do this.
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But Man U was fine (business-wise as well as footie) as they were.

Why would the previous owners sell ?

LOL@ Pesam !
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It was a public company and was a hostile takeover, so they had no choice as long as the share price was met I believe. My manc mate was telling me before this was accepted, Utd were comng up with a similar scheme to what we were ( maybe are?) trying, i.e. fan ownership model similar to Barca but they weren't able to mobilise this in time.
As a personal opinion , just don't think foreign owners can ever work for a club here unless that person is a fan or or a massively rich owner such Man city and Chelsea who both have had their debt converted to equity which is great for them.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38789.msg1048923#msg1048923 date=1265281292]
I'm surprised Gary Nevile didn't put everything he has into this scheme.
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Please don't.......I woke up in a good mood!! The mention of that cunts name makes my blood boil!
 
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[quote author=Stu link=topic=38789.msg1048923#msg1048923 date=1265281292]
I'm surprised Gary Nevile didn't put everything he has into this scheme.
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Please don't.......I woke up in a good mood!! The mention of that cunts name makes my blood boil!
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Sorry mate. How come you're in a good mood? Sexy time last night?
 
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[quote author=Stu link=topic=38789.msg1048923#msg1048923 date=1265281292]
I'm surprised Gary Nevile didn't put everything he has into this scheme.
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Please don't.......I woke up in a good mood!! The mention of that cunts name makes my blood boil!
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If I won the Euro Lottery I'd rent a helicopter for a week, fuck it, a month (see if I could get The Traitor's) and follow Gary Neville around playing the audio from this through a PA system;

(slighty NSFW)

You're a cock... (from Britain's "The Office&quot😉
 
This does not affect MU at all. It is the investors who lose out. man U (Glazers) have already pocketed the dosh from gullible people, such as pension funds. Sack those managers I say, if I am subscribers to those pension funds.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38789.msg1048959#msg1048959 date=1265283678]
This does not affect MU at all. It is the investors who lose out. man U (Glazers) have already pocketed the dosh from gullible people, such as pension funds. Sack those managers I say, if I am subscribers to those pension funds.
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Aren't those bonds on the Guarantee, so if the team doesn't perform as well doesn't it put them at risk?
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38789.msg1048959#msg1048959 date=1265283678]
This does not affect MU at all. It is the investors who lose out. man U (Glazers) have already pocketed the dosh from gullible people, such as pension funds. Sack those managers I say, if I am subscribers to those pension funds.
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Aren't those bonds on the Guarantee, so if the team doesn't perform as well doesn't it put them at risk?
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Yes the interest rate of the bonds are guaranteed and I have forgotten what is the interest rate for those bonds are. That does not matter here.

For current investors, firstly they have a paper lost on the principal sums already. If they needed cash urgently, their paper loss will be realised when they have to sell.

For those who would be willing now buy the bonds in the market at 95%, the fixed interest rate based on the lower principal sum will now be higher for the new investors. But this bond is consider risky. Risky bonds should have higher rate of interest. If the interest rate is not consider high enough for the attached risk, the principal sum (price) will continue to fall until willing buyers get the interest income they consider worth taking.

If investors perceive that Man U might fail, no matter how high the interest is, they will drop the bonds like a rotten egg and they will become junk bonds. No sensible funds manager will ever touch it with a barge pole.

But then as we all know, if all funds managers are sensible, we would not have the global financial crisis of the last 2 years.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38789.msg1048981#msg1048981 date=1265285023]
But dont united have to repay the bonds in full in 2013 or something?
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I am not sure whether there is a guaranteed repayment for this bond. Someone check and let me know.

If in the worst case scenario, the club goes turtle (which I hope it does though sadly unlikely) how are they able to pay back in full? That is the risk bond investors face. These are not high grade government bonds, guaranteed by governments, which are deemed risk-less and the interest rates are usually low for these kind of blue ribbon bonds. Safe, boring and low income.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38789.msg1048981#msg1048981 date=1265285023]
But dont united have to repay the bonds in full in 2013 or something?
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2017
 
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[quote author=Stu link=topic=38789.msg1048923#msg1048923 date=1265281292]
I'm surprised Gary Nevile didn't put everything he has into this scheme.
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Unfortunately Rat Boy has been ploughing his spare dosh into a house from the Teletubbies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8483162.stm
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A "rendering" of Nevillton.


Gary Neville applies to build flower-shaped home


Gary Neville was "heavily involved in the design process," his architects said
Footballer Gary Neville has applied to build a flower-shaped eco-friendly house in Greater Manchester.
The Manchester United star wants to build the 8,000 sq ft (743 sq m) four-bedroom single-storey home into a hillside in Bradshaw, Bolton.
The application to Bolton Council includes plans for a wind turbine, solar panels and ground source heating.
Make Architects say it would be the first zero carbon house in North West England, if permission is granted.
Stuart Fraser, partner at Make Architects, said: "The client has been heavily involved in the design process and is passionate about preserving the natural beauty of this area.
"It has been a privilege to be given a brief which has allowed us to truly test the boundaries of current sustainable thinking in terms of design and construction and to work along some leading experts in this field."
If planning permission is granted, work is expected to begin later this year.
 
What sort of man wants to build a house that looks like a fucking flower?

He must be so whipped.
 
In fairness, it will be incredibly eco-friendly.

It does look shat, though.

Hopefully it won't have Versace wallpaper like his brother's gaff.
 
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