MANCHESTER UNITED’S £1.6BILLION SHEIKH-UP
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I'd rather not be owned by a family like this.
this is really bad news.
Wow...that's a lot of money.
But it's a better strategy than buying Chelsea or City and then spending billions to get them to be a top club.
Abramovich, by now, should have easily spent close to a billion pounds, but they are still a lesser club in terms of fans/history etc compared to United.
United have got everything. Stadium, Fans, Over 100 years of proven success, a currently successful team, a great manager etc.....i guess it's a fair price.
Even we didn't have the stadium or a squad that was successful on the pitch right now.
But it's a better strategy than buying Chelsea or City and then spending billions to get them to be a top club.
Abramovich, by now, should have easily spent close to a billion pounds, but they are still a lesser club in terms of fans/history etc compared to United.
United have got everything. Stadium, Fans, Over 100 years of proven success, a currently successful team, a great manager etc.....i guess it's a fair price.
Even we didn't have the stadium or a squad that was successful on the pitch right now.
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=44180.msg1283376#msg1283376 date=1297405134]
All the more reason why the financial fair play rules 'could' save football.
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Yeah but even if all this lot do is remove the debt at United, that's about 70m -90m a year freed up for United to spend.
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All the more reason why the financial fair play rules 'could' save football.
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Yeah but even if all this lot do is remove the debt at United, that's about 70m -90m a year freed up for United to spend.
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could be worse...actually, no, it couldn't.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44180.msg1283387#msg1283387 date=1297409973]
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=44180.msg1283376#msg1283376 date=1297405134]
All the more reason why the financial fair play rules 'could' save football.
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Yeah but even if all this lot do is remove the debt at United, that's about 70m -90m a year freed up for United to spend.
Bad news
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yep. the FFP rules will help limit owner investment, but utd will still have a massive boost to their spending power simply because they're so freaking profitable. the glazers were the one thing stopping the rules being a massive boost to utd by neutering their richer rivals chelsea and city.
they'll be a fucking juggernaut if this goes through, sadly.
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=44180.msg1283376#msg1283376 date=1297405134]
All the more reason why the financial fair play rules 'could' save football.
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Yeah but even if all this lot do is remove the debt at United, that's about 70m -90m a year freed up for United to spend.
Bad news
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yep. the FFP rules will help limit owner investment, but utd will still have a massive boost to their spending power simply because they're so freaking profitable. the glazers were the one thing stopping the rules being a massive boost to utd by neutering their richer rivals chelsea and city.
they'll be a fucking juggernaut if this goes through, sadly.
It'd be horrible if they were a juggernaut. They'd probably win all the time.
if this happens the only hope for us is if fergie retires and they hired roy hodgson and even HE'D be hard pressed to fuck it all up.
Nah. Players are not better just because you pay more for them... it is still about football and smartness. We just have to be better at what we are good at.
Mourinho will defo go there. And even him couldnt build a team good enough to beat the home grown catalans with unlimited access to who he wants.
Mourinho will defo go there. And even him couldnt build a team good enough to beat the home grown catalans with unlimited access to who he wants.
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44180.msg1283400#msg1283400 date=1297412415]
Nah. Players are not better just because you pay more for them... it is still about football and smartness. We just have to be better at what we are good at.
Mourinho will defo go there. And even him couldnt build a team good enough to beat the home grown catalans with unlimited access to who he wants.
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true, but we're not barca and we could be trailing in their wake for a decade.
Nah. Players are not better just because you pay more for them... it is still about football and smartness. We just have to be better at what we are good at.
Mourinho will defo go there. And even him couldnt build a team good enough to beat the home grown catalans with unlimited access to who he wants.
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true, but we're not barca and we could be trailing in their wake for a decade.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44180.msg1283404#msg1283404 date=1297412850]
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
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true, but over the course of a season if your squad is deeper with mre quality then injuires and loss of form becomes less of an issue than for you than a team with a thinner squad.
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
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true, but over the course of a season if your squad is deeper with mre quality then injuires and loss of form becomes less of an issue than for you than a team with a thinner squad.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44180.msg1283400#msg1283400 date=1297412415]
Nah. Players are not better just because you pay more for them... it is still about football and smartness. We just have to be better at what we are good at.
Mourinho will defo go there. And even him couldnt build a team good enough to beat the home grown catalans with unlimited access to who he wants.
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Ok, so we'll only have to become possibly the best club team that ever existed like Barca at the moment and we'll be ok. I feel better already.
Nah. Players are not better just because you pay more for them... it is still about football and smartness. We just have to be better at what we are good at.
Mourinho will defo go there. And even him couldnt build a team good enough to beat the home grown catalans with unlimited access to who he wants.
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Ok, so we'll only have to become possibly the best club team that ever existed like Barca at the moment and we'll be ok. I feel better already.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44180.msg1283398#msg1283398 date=1297412113]
if this happens the only hope for us is if fergie retires and they hired roy hodgson and even HE'D be hard pressed to fuck it all up.
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Are you always this miserable?
I would hate to go to war with you as my commander, "Listen soldiers, you're all going to die today so try your best not to get hit, or better yet - hope your enemies forget how to aim for those bullseyes I've pained on your chests to help them".
if this happens the only hope for us is if fergie retires and they hired roy hodgson and even HE'D be hard pressed to fuck it all up.
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Are you always this miserable?
I would hate to go to war with you as my commander, "Listen soldiers, you're all going to die today so try your best not to get hit, or better yet - hope your enemies forget how to aim for those bullseyes I've pained on your chests to help them".
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44180.msg1283404#msg1283404 date=1297412850]
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
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good post imo. i mean, this is really disheartening news, absolutely no doubt about it, but i guess an interesting and encouraging parallel to draw is between the NY Yankees and the Red Sox, and utd and LFC. we've got the right owners if it's going to come down to outsmarting a lumbering goliath of a club/franchise.
just incidentally, i've been watching more and more of LFC tv recently, and am pretty much always impressed by it: i wonder if more could be made of that as a way of tapping into willing 'customers'. i find it really watchable, so i'm guessing most fans feel the same - we're all obsessives, at t'end o't' day - perhaps it would be possible to get it shown on freeview and see where we could really take the viewing figures/advertising revenues.
just one of many ways we could exploit the helplessly addicted millions of fans out there, i'm sure!
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
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good post imo. i mean, this is really disheartening news, absolutely no doubt about it, but i guess an interesting and encouraging parallel to draw is between the NY Yankees and the Red Sox, and utd and LFC. we've got the right owners if it's going to come down to outsmarting a lumbering goliath of a club/franchise.
just incidentally, i've been watching more and more of LFC tv recently, and am pretty much always impressed by it: i wonder if more could be made of that as a way of tapping into willing 'customers'. i find it really watchable, so i'm guessing most fans feel the same - we're all obsessives, at t'end o't' day - perhaps it would be possible to get it shown on freeview and see where we could really take the viewing figures/advertising revenues.
just one of many ways we could exploit the helplessly addicted millions of fans out there, i'm sure!
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44180.msg1283423#msg1283423 date=1297414076]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44180.msg1283404#msg1283404 date=1297412850]
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
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good post imo. i mean, this is really disheartening news, absolutely no doubt about it, but i guess an interesting and encouraging parallel to draw is between the NY Yankees and the Red Sox, and utd and LFC. we've got the right owners if it's going to come down to outsmarting a lumbering goliath of a club/franchise.
just incidentally, i've been watching more and more of LFC tv recently, and am pretty much always impressed by it: i wonder if more could be made of that as a way of tapping into willing 'customers'. i find it really watchable, so i'm guessing most fans feel the same - we're all obsessives, at t'end o't' day - perhaps it would be possible to get it shown on freeview and see where we could really take the viewing figures/advertising revenues.
just one of many ways we could exploit the helplessly addicted millions of fans out there, i'm sure!
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I like both these posts. I'm sick of worrying what others do.
I like our owners very much and hand on heart wouldn't change them for a loaded Sheik. I love Liverpool but I also love football and these Sheiks, Oligarchs and what else are destroying it so I hope they at least stay away from the club I love.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44180.msg1283404#msg1283404 date=1297412850]
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
[/quote]
good post imo. i mean, this is really disheartening news, absolutely no doubt about it, but i guess an interesting and encouraging parallel to draw is between the NY Yankees and the Red Sox, and utd and LFC. we've got the right owners if it's going to come down to outsmarting a lumbering goliath of a club/franchise.
just incidentally, i've been watching more and more of LFC tv recently, and am pretty much always impressed by it: i wonder if more could be made of that as a way of tapping into willing 'customers'. i find it really watchable, so i'm guessing most fans feel the same - we're all obsessives, at t'end o't' day - perhaps it would be possible to get it shown on freeview and see where we could really take the viewing figures/advertising revenues.
just one of many ways we could exploit the helplessly addicted millions of fans out there, i'm sure!
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I like both these posts. I'm sick of worrying what others do.
I like our owners very much and hand on heart wouldn't change them for a loaded Sheik. I love Liverpool but I also love football and these Sheiks, Oligarchs and what else are destroying it so I hope they at least stay away from the club I love.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44180.msg1283423#msg1283423 date=1297414076]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44180.msg1283404#msg1283404 date=1297412850]
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
[/quote]
good post imo. i mean, this is really disheartening news, absolutely no doubt about it, but i guess an interesting and encouraging parallel to draw is between the NY Yankees and the Red Sox, and utd and LFC. we've got the right owners if it's going to come down to outsmarting a lumbering goliath of a club/franchise.
just incidentally, i've been watching more and more of LFC tv recently, and am pretty much always impressed by it: i wonder if more could be made of that as a way of tapping into willing 'customers'. i find it really watchable, so i'm guessing most fans feel the same - we're all obsessives, at t'end o't' day - perhaps it would be possible to get it shown on freeview and see where we could really take the viewing figures/advertising revenues.
just one of many ways we could exploit the helplessly addicted millions of fans out there, i'm sure!
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LFC TV is still free on Sky here, I think; but you have to pay for it on Virgin Media.
Back home all the channels MUtv, Chelsea TV and LFC TV are pay-per-view.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44180.msg1283404#msg1283404 date=1297412850]
There's been whispers for a few years about this, but nothing's come to fruition.
IF the FFP rules are enforced properly it shouldnt be *that* much of an advantage to them on the field at first, but over time the mqassive spending power being invested in merchandising & spreading the 'brand' means their revenues will give them an advantage.
There's nothing we can do about it bar look at ourselves, have the best run commercial side as possible & compete on the pitch.
Liverpool have beaten teams who had more spending power than us, & even a bigger name (Real Madrid in the European Cup springs to mind), it's not impossible, it's 90 minutes against 11 men. You win enough games in a season & you go top, no matter who your owners are.
[/quote]
good post imo. i mean, this is really disheartening news, absolutely no doubt about it, but i guess an interesting and encouraging parallel to draw is between the NY Yankees and the Red Sox, and utd and LFC. we've got the right owners if it's going to come down to outsmarting a lumbering goliath of a club/franchise.
just incidentally, i've been watching more and more of LFC tv recently, and am pretty much always impressed by it: i wonder if more could be made of that as a way of tapping into willing 'customers'. i find it really watchable, so i'm guessing most fans feel the same - we're all obsessives, at t'end o't' day - perhaps it would be possible to get it shown on freeview and see where we could really take the viewing figures/advertising revenues.
just one of many ways we could exploit the helplessly addicted millions of fans out there, i'm sure!
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LFC TV is still free on Sky here, I think; but you have to pay for it on Virgin Media.
Back home all the channels MUtv, Chelsea TV and LFC TV are pay-per-view.
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[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44180.msg1283473#msg1283473 date=1297417269]
This is shitty news tho. 🙁
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I don't really get that?
United has been superior to us over the 10-15 years from both an economical and sporting view anyways. It's not like new Arab owners will suddenly have the power to buy all the stars from all the other billionaires teams.
And if they SHOULD buy one of our key-players for any insane ammount of money we'd probably come out stronger anyways, like the Torres-case has just shown.
United for one wouldn't have been as good as they've been if it wasn't for their rather conservative approach and Ferguson. Had they bought say five new star-player in Summer they'd perhaps been less stable and players would start to unsettle. Money is a big factor of course but our owners, Citehs owners, Blackburns owners, Spurs owners etc. have all got them too.
Fear not.
This is shitty news tho. 🙁
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I don't really get that?
United has been superior to us over the 10-15 years from both an economical and sporting view anyways. It's not like new Arab owners will suddenly have the power to buy all the stars from all the other billionaires teams.
And if they SHOULD buy one of our key-players for any insane ammount of money we'd probably come out stronger anyways, like the Torres-case has just shown.
United for one wouldn't have been as good as they've been if it wasn't for their rather conservative approach and Ferguson. Had they bought say five new star-player in Summer they'd perhaps been less stable and players would start to unsettle. Money is a big factor of course but our owners, Citehs owners, Blackburns owners, Spurs owners etc. have all got them too.
Fear not.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44180.msg1283481#msg1283481 date=1297417628]
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44180.msg1283473#msg1283473 date=1297417269]
This is shitty news tho. 🙁
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I don't really get that?
United has been superior to us over the 10-15 years from both an economical and sporting view anyways. It's not like new Arab owners will suddenly have the power to buy all the stars from all the other billionaires teams.
And if they SHOULD buy one of our key-players for any insane ammount of money we'd probably come out stronger anyways, like the Torres-case has just shown.
United for one wouldn't have been as good as they've been if it wasn't for their rather conservative approach and Ferguson. Had they bought say five new star-player in Summer they'd perhaps been less stable and players would start to unsettle. Money is a big factor of course but our owners, Citehs owners, Blackburns owners, Spurs owners etc. have all got them too.
Fear not.
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they should put that in the dictionary under 'complacency'.
like FFF said, it's not the end of the world exactly, but it would entrench their position as the overwhelming powerhouse of english football, and every other team would be fighting against the tide. i'd imagine it'd take extraordinarily savvy management to prevent them adding title upon title over the years; ok, we've already witnessed that for some time, but at least then we still had our diminishing stock of 11 titles in hand over them to console ourselves with. not any more.
it's not even as if our game has the sensible redistributive policies in place that the big american sports use to keep the sport interesting.
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44180.msg1283473#msg1283473 date=1297417269]
This is shitty news tho. 🙁
[/quote]
I don't really get that?
United has been superior to us over the 10-15 years from both an economical and sporting view anyways. It's not like new Arab owners will suddenly have the power to buy all the stars from all the other billionaires teams.
And if they SHOULD buy one of our key-players for any insane ammount of money we'd probably come out stronger anyways, like the Torres-case has just shown.
United for one wouldn't have been as good as they've been if it wasn't for their rather conservative approach and Ferguson. Had they bought say five new star-player in Summer they'd perhaps been less stable and players would start to unsettle. Money is a big factor of course but our owners, Citehs owners, Blackburns owners, Spurs owners etc. have all got them too.
Fear not.
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they should put that in the dictionary under 'complacency'.
like FFF said, it's not the end of the world exactly, but it would entrench their position as the overwhelming powerhouse of english football, and every other team would be fighting against the tide. i'd imagine it'd take extraordinarily savvy management to prevent them adding title upon title over the years; ok, we've already witnessed that for some time, but at least then we still had our diminishing stock of 11 titles in hand over them to console ourselves with. not any more.
it's not even as if our game has the sensible redistributive policies in place that the big american sports use to keep the sport interesting.
I think its probably fair to say apart from massive lottery winners and people who lucked out designing a good hoover, ANY fucker who has hundreds of millions of pounds is a complete cunt.
Fact.
Give a fuck about United.
Fact.
Give a fuck about United.
When that happens....
"Right move for me... want to win trophies... Chelsea... broken promises... blah blah... cannot blame me... whine whine..."
"Right move for me... want to win trophies... Chelsea... broken promises... blah blah... cannot blame me... whine whine..."
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