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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44897.msg1313791#msg1313791 date=1302565805]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44897.msg1313787#msg1313787 date=1302565736]
We were fucking superb tonight. Pass and move in full effect. Best performance of the season yet missing many top players. Well played Redmen.
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Agreed.
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I agree with your agreement.
 
-holds hand up-

Well, I didn't see that coming. I thought we'd get battered - guess I underestimated us and overestimated that City side in equal measure.

Reminded me of the early Benitez days when we looked like we could beat anyone in the World by actually playing decent football, we'd then go and lose to Crystal Palace - similar to the West Brom and Blackpool results of this year I suppose. Better players, bigger squads, and the experience of playing consistently togethor ensure that you can turn it on on the days when you're not playing Chelsea/United/Citeh etc - which is what we need badly.

A few thoughts on City who were massively disappointing first;
How not to build a squad I suppose. Who are the winners in that squad? Who's going to sweat for you? Who's not going to lie down and bend over? I'd say Tevez, Kompany, and maybe Micah Richards. Out of a squad worth half a billion that's not good enough. Look at the midfield out there versus our lot - they should be ashamed with their output.

As Krump pointed out in that other thread; Jay Spearing monstering Yaya Toure is ridiculous, but it happened. Comes down to work rate, tenacity, attitude and a decent mentality. City have far far far too many players without those requisites. What's the point in buying someone like Balotelli? What a heaving waste of space he is. Mancini should be slaughtered for that - he knew what he was like from his Inter days yet he still sanctions 20M plus on the fucking joke.


When Tevez went off and it moved from being a 4-4-1-1 to a 4-4-2 (cos Balotelli's a lazy fucking cunt) we were able to dominate in midfield cos Tevez wasn't there to drop back and help them.

Look at the Man United team on paper Vs City's; City would win hands down. But Ferguson buys and keeps winners and lads with the right attitude. O'Shea, the Nevilles, Fletcher - you can rely on them. Ferguson loves that, and that's why they're winners. I'd love somebody to explain to explain to me the rationale in giving Richard Dunne away but investing 24M in Joleon Lescott.

Anyway, enough about them losers.

Great performance all-round. Some of it startling too:
-Skrtel excellent at centre back
- A very composed debut by Flanagan who didn't look to hump the fuck out of it, he actually tried to keep it on the deck - novel!
- Aurelio giving us great balance across the back four.
- Kuyt brilliant again. Who'd a think it too cos y'know he was playing on the right of a 4-4-2 where we're continually told he's "shite"? Mad altogethor.
- And Carroll and Suarez taking the piss.

I guess the most pleasing bit from my perspective was the pass and move game being adopted. Look at the movement of Meirles, Suarez and Kuyt for that. Not restricted by positions, and happy to drift everywhere to pick it up, link with each other, and to drag the City players out of position. It won us the game. that first 40 minutes was fantastic to watch, and doesn't happed if you've got 3 fucking statues sticking to their position. I guess it's why I'm not sold at all on this 'we need great wingers getting down the wing and whipping crosses in for Carroll' idea.

It's bollocks, naive, antiquated plan. We need world class players in attack. Doesn't matter where they play, they'll succeed. They do though need the right attitude as we saw tonight.
 
Nice write up Ryan. Going by yesterday's performance, do you now feel Kuyt can be our 'full time' right winger in the 4-4-2 set up that we'll probably employ next year (be it with Kenny or another manager)?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44897.msg1313806#msg1313806 date=1302571475]


It's bollocks, naive, antiquated plan. We need world class players in attack. Doesn't matter where they play, they'll succeed. They do though need the right attitude as we saw tonight.


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Great post Ry, I completely agree re the last part. I do think we need pace in attack though and someone who *can* play the wide role, but Ming, Carroll, Suarez and a quick attacker in tandem will be a nightmare for the opposition to deal with and try to second guess.

*EDIT: and Kuyt, obv!
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=44897.msg1313823#msg1313823 date=1302589539]
Nice write up Ryan. Going by yesterday's performance, do you now feel Kuyt can be our 'full time' right winger in the 4-4-2 set up that we'll probably employ next year (be it with Kenny or another manager)?
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Mate, formations aren't the be all and end all. 4-4-2 happens on paper -did you see Kuyt sticking to the right wing? Meirless hugging the left touchline? suarez constantly up top with Carroll? No chance.

Last night was a perfect example of an orgy of formations.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44897.msg1313826#msg1313826 date=1302590264]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44897.msg1313806#msg1313806 date=1302571475]


It's bollocks, naive, antiquated plan. We need world class players in attack. Doesn't matter where they play, they'll succeed. They do though need the right attitude as we saw tonight.


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Great post Ry, I completely agree re the last part. I do think we need pace in attack though and someone who *can* play the wide role, but Ming, Carroll, Suarez and a quick attacker in tandem will be a nightmare for the opposition to deal with and try to second guess.
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Yup, a bit of extra pace would be nice. You can see the advantages it gives Arsenal when Walcott stretches things, ditto Nani at United, Bale at Spurs etc.

It's what Chelsea's side lacks in my opinion.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44897.msg1313830#msg1313830 date=1302590462]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44897.msg1313826#msg1313826 date=1302590264]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44897.msg1313806#msg1313806 date=1302571475]


It's bollocks, naive, antiquated plan. We need world class players in attack. Doesn't matter where they play, they'll succeed. They do though need the right attitude as we saw tonight.


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Great post Ry, I completely agree re the last part. I do think we need pace in attack though and someone who *can* play the wide role, but Ming, Carroll, Suarez and a quick attacker in tandem will be a nightmare for the opposition to deal with and try to second guess.
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Yup, a bit of extra pace would be nice. You can see the advantages it gives Arsenal when Walcott stretches things, ditto Nani at United, Bale at Spurs etc.

It's what Chelsea's side lacks in my opinion.
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Yeah, they remind me of us at times.
 
Wow, what a way to lose a bet, that was superb and hugely unexpected. I love Jay Spearing and even though I'll hold my hand up and say that Lucas played well he was again overshadowed by Spearing.
 
Full highlights apparently (I can't check them out as my bloody work filter won't let me):

1st half:

http://www.fileserve.com/file/FkTVtHa/First Half - EPL - Liverpool v. Man City - 11-04-11.avi

or

http://www.filesonic.com/file/587006561/First_Half_-_EPL_-_Liverpool_v._Man_City_-_11-04-11.avi

2nd half:

http://www.fileserve.com/file/7MnWJgK/Second Half - EPL - Liverpool v. Man City - 11-04-11.avi

or

http://www.filesonic.com/file/587301144/Second_Half_-_EPL_-_Liverpool_v._Man_City_-_11-04-11.avi
 
So much for a few writing of Carroll so quickly as an expensive flop. That first goal was a bullet. Pity he missed the header for his hattrick!

There's not enough superlatives to describe Suarez. My God that lad is sensational and on a different level.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44897.msg1313858#msg1313858 date=1302594213]
So much for sven writing of Carroll so quickly as an expensive flop. That first goal was a bullet. Pity he missed the header for his hattrick!

There's not enough superlatives to describe Suarez. My God that lad is sensational and on a different level.
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I was more pleased that the ball wasn't just aimlessly booted up carroll, that gives me hope that carroll wont turn us into a kick and rush team.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44897.msg1313863#msg1313863 date=1302594784]
I was more pleased that the ball wasn't just aimlessly booted up carroll, that gives me hope that carroll wont turn us into a kick and rush team.
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It's because carragher was never pressured. the few times he was there were long punts up field.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44897.msg1313866#msg1313866 date=1302594841]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44897.msg1313863#msg1313863 date=1302594784]
I was more pleased that the ball wasn't just aimlessly booted up carroll, that gives me hope that carroll wont turn us into a kick and rush team.
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It's because carragher was never pressured. the few times he was there were long punts up field.
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Sometimes it's necessary, when we 'can' play football from the back we generally try to.
 
Haven't read all thread but I was seriously impressed with the Spearing + Lucas combo last night. How stranged it may seem they actually completely owned Yaya and Barry.

Their workmanship and often clever use of the ball made it easy for our defenders and created space for our strikers.

Cudos both of you and especially the wee lad looks more and more like a Premiership-player to me.
 
I wouldn't disagree with that, but I still think we need better in there to be winning titles. Happy with them as squaddies though.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44897.msg1313792#msg1313792 date=1302565822]
Oh yeh. Dirk was immense
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Indeed. It was quite amusing when the commentator asked "How many Dirk Kuyt's are there?" He was fucking everywhere.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=44897.msg1313579#msg1313579 date=1302551574]
"@themichaelowen: My god. Not seen Liverpool play this well for a long time. They are battering City. Looks like Tevez could be missing for a while too."
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Is that actually Michael Owen? If it is, then he wasn't watching when we played them at Anfield, was he?
 
[quote author=Scotino link=topic=44897.msg1313905#msg1313905 date=1302599166]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44897.msg1313579#msg1313579 date=1302551574]
"@themichaelowen: My god. Not seen Liverpool play this well for a long time. They are battering City. Looks like Tevez could be missing for a while too."
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Is that actually Michael Owen? If it is, then he wasn't watching when we played them at Anfield, was he?
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2 months might be a "long time" for him.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44897.msg1313867#msg1313867 date=1302594895]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44897.msg1313866#msg1313866 date=1302594841]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44897.msg1313863#msg1313863 date=1302594784]
I was more pleased that the ball wasn't just aimlessly booted up carroll, that gives me hope that carroll wont turn us into a kick and rush team.
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It's because carragher was never pressured. the few times he was there were long punts up field.
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Sometimes it's necessary, when we 'can' play football from the back we generally try to.
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oh i agree, but it's obvious why carra punts it. he can't pass it out when pressured so punts are necessary. he's a bit of a worrier is carra
 
[quote author=Scotino link=topic=44897.msg1313905#msg1313905 date=1302599166]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44897.msg1313579#msg1313579 date=1302551574]
"@themichaelowen: My god. Not seen Liverpool play this well for a long time. They are battering City. Looks like Tevez could be missing for a while too."
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Is that actually Michael Owen? If it is, then he wasn't watching when we played them at Anfield, was he?
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Yes, that really is The Traitor.
 
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