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In principle I'd agree but, as it's Van Gaal and as he's said still to covet a managerial role, we'd need to get absolutely clear in what capacity he was being appointed and who would work (in what capacity) under him. If we don't, we could be storing up real trouble for ourselves later on.
 
My checklist

Manged Jari ( check)
Won leagues (check)
Shows genitals (check)
Won european titles (check)
Exciting passing philosophy (check)
Helped ireland qualify for japan 2002 (check)

Personality such an issue though. Even his wife agrees this is a prob
 
In principle I'd agree but, as it's Van Gaal and as he's said still to covet a managerial role, we'd need to get absolutely clear in what capacity he was being appointed and who would work (in what capacity) under him. If we don't, we could be storing up real trouble for ourselves later on.



Yes. One of the things FSG's boffins don't seem to understand is that a structure will be altered by the personalities involved. They'll have a certain role for him and then he'll probably steamroller over several other people. Nonetheless, I'd rather someone who knows what he's doing steamrollers over the others, rather than someone who doesn't is protected by the structure.
 
Re your last but one post: absolutely, which would be one of my big fears if Villas Boas, otherwise known as Hector Riva, got the job.
 
What does Oncy think of another senior playa at Liverpool getting his lash out for at critical times?
 
I thought our ex goalkeeping coach had re-signed with the club? Vallero is it?
 
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Frans Hoek, the Goalkeeping coach who was linked with us today:

Dated May 2010:

Louis van Gaal will take charge of two new faces in his coaching team when the stars return to the Säbener Strasse for pre-season training on 21 June. Van Gaal’s fellow-countrymen Frans Hoek and Marcel Bout are to join Bayern for the 2010-11 campaign, the club announced on Tuesday.

Both are fully familiar with the 58-year-old boss. Goalkeeping coach Hoek worked for Van Gaal at Amsterdam giants Ajax, Catalan outfit Barcelona and the Netherlands national team. “Bayern is one of the best clubs in the world,” Hoek commented ahead of taking up his new role in Munich. The 53-year-old’s last job was as Poland national goalkeeping coach.

Dated Sep 2010:


You can’t see it, but Frans Hoek keeps his goalkeepers on a tight rein, albeit an invisible one. He spends practice matches next to the goal, behind it, or even in it. Sometimes he actually enters the goal area, advancing as far as the penalty spot. There are never more than ten or fifteen yards between him and his protégées. Hoek keeps a line of communication open all the time, watching closely and issuing rapid instructions. And his goalkeepers are more then delighted with the invisible, tight rein.

“He watches all the time and sees everything. He talks a lot, relatively speaking, giving advice and assistance,” reports Thomas Kraft, describing the club’s new goalkeeping coach as “a very agreeable, fun guy”. After the first few weeks of working together, Jörg Butt also praised Hoek. “I’m really pleased at the chance to work with him personally at last,” he said.

With the end of his career in sight, it means the Bayern number one has come full circle. “I’ve know all about Frans Hoek’s approach since my earliest days as a pro,” revealed Butt, “back then, I kept a very close eye on the way he made Edwin van der Sar one of the greats at Ajax.” In the early to mid-90s, Hoek worked in Amsterdam with the man who was to become the Netherlands’ most-capped keeper, and who rates as the prototype of the modern goalkeeper.

Hoek is now implementing his successful training methods at Bayern. The 53-year-old said his philosophy is based on one question: “What does the tactical plan used by Bayern require of its goalkeeper?” To this end, he has meticulously analysed the club’s matches. How many shots will he have to save? How many crosses will he have to deal with? How many back passes will he need to field?

The answers to these and other questions build up an ideal profile for the FCB keeper. “The Bayern goalkeeper makes a large contribution to initiating moves,” he explained, “if the ball’s passed back to him, his role is to switch the angle of attack or relieve pressure situations.”

The FCB number one is also required to act as a form of libero or sweeper, helping defend the zone in front of the penalty area. “We defend higher up the field than many other teams, and we often use man-marking at the back. So the goalkeeper is the back four’s insurance policy.” At the same time, the keeper is responsible for organising his defence, “so we leave no gaps when we lose possession and our opponents attack on the break.”

“He regards the keeper as an eleventh outfield player,” Kraft summarised. Added Butt: “It's the way of the future. The goalkeeper is included in the team tactics and is no longer isolated from the rest of the team.” As the 36-year-old points out: “As Bayern keeper in a Bundesliga fixture, you have maybe two, three or four shots to deal with in the conventional goalkeeping way. Otherwise, there are 10, 20, or 30 moves where you play the ball with your feet, where you’re helping the defenders deal with angled passes.”

Hoek focuses on these very attributes in daily training. “Training with him is very like being in a match. You’re never just dealing with practice shots,” reported Butt. The emphasis is on the keeper’s first touch, passing, positioning, and communication with the defence. “He doesn’t just work with the goalkeepers, he spends a lot of time talking to the defenders too,” said Butt.

However, the coach spends most of the session communicating with the goalkeepers, gesticulating and explaining his ideas, and listening attentively when Butt, Kraft & Co voice their points of view. “He’s not trying to force his philosophy on us, and you don’t have the feeling his ideas are cast in stone” reported Butt, “instead, he tries to persuade us, and work things out together. He’s a very open, inquisitive guy, who’s also looking to develop his own skills.” So Hoek’s tight rein is a benefit to all parties.

All over the World Frans Hoek is known for his "Hoek Method" in which everything is based on what is being asked from a goalkeeper during the game. All activities therefore have a direct relationship to the game. Football is a continuously evolving game and therefore the role of the goalkeeper evolves. Frans Hoek is always involved in adding the latest research information to the Hoek Method.
 
Yes, I've no problems with the goalkeeping choice, it would be excellent, but that's surely it. What manager with any sense would tolerate any more staff - coaching staff - being hired by a Sporting Director?
 
...AND potentially a technical sporting director, if rumours are true...

with so many egos in the managerial team, especially LVG being the biggest, surely it's a recipe for disaster ? remember uncle roy and GH ?
 
Lots of unanswered questions that can only be answered on appointment of the respective Sporting Director and Manager. Their contracts will have a clear job description and their mandates will ensure that team work is a requirement for success.

How it all pans out is an atogether different matter. I'm hoping for sustained success.
 
Working alongside a Dof is the norm in the rest of Europe. So that isnt a problem.

That they want to split that role in 2-3 separate positions could also work very well. It does in American sports and if the people hired are extremely good in their position and can conventrate on that then whatsthe problem? Comolli certainly was oit of his depth.

Segura would probably have no problem with being in charge of the technical side and then LVG can concentrate on the sporting aspect.

I love that some just moan and call them clueless when this could go the opposite way and be fantastic.

Sit back and give it a chance. Moan after next season.
 
I understand the trepidation considering Van Gaals reputation but by the same token his reputation also includes the rather nice habit of winning stuff and being succesful.

IF we can integrate him into a management team which works collaboratively then I would hope that having a man of such excellent footballing pedigree could well be a boon for us. I would also be pleased to have him if he were to be the one in charge of signings etc... you would suspect that if when we are looking to recruit players from outside the club he would have a much bigger pull than Rodgers or Martinez who no players outside of England will be aware of.

Im optimistic about Van Gaal, less so about Martinez, rightly or wrongly.
 
Snoop Doogy is trending at the moment on Twitter. Or will do once I get an account and tweet it enough. I have complete faith if that's true.
 
Poor players when u think about it 4th manager in 2 years. Forth set of new staff to deal with.Mad
 
I want that ex-Barca guy that was rumored recently to become DOF.
Van Gaal would be a great managerial choice but I can just imagine the problems between him and the manager, whoever that might be, occurring from day one.
 
Saw this on RAWK and liked it...

The thing people need to realise is that under the FSG structure the DOF will be the main guy and the longer term appointment. The manager will be the secondary figure and will have to buy into and implement his philosophy on the training pitch and in matches. From the media it would appear that an extra technical director will come in ie: Pep Segura so between the 3 they will devise and implement a football strategy that filters throughout the club at all levels. This will probably be a 5-10 year project and may have several managers involved. The whole idea being that even if the manager changes we'll have continuity and won't have tear the plan up and start again like we've been doing for the past 20 odd years. In baseball the DOF would be akin to the general manager and the manager the equivalent of the head coach. Taking that into consideration the type of manager we're looking for changes and it's one of the main reasons why Rafa isn't being considered.

I think we should take the plunge as fans and back FSG and see what happens. I'm positive they want to win and to make the club successful. They won't make any money if we stay where we are. They're trying to look at it from a different angle and gain an advantage on clubs that currently have a greater income than us. Usually the wage bill correlates to where a team finishes in the league, that's one trend they'll be trying to break. They've done it already in finance and baseball, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it with us.
 
If that were true, they wouldn't even be talking to mangaerial candidates until the DoF was in place.
 
Saw this on RAWK and liked it...

The thing people need to realise is that under the FSG structure the DOF will be the main guy and the longer term appointment. The manager will be the secondary figure and will have to buy into and implement his philosophy on the training pitch and in matches.

Call the asylum, quick!
 
Saw this on RAWK and liked it...

The thing people need to realise is that under the FSG structure the DOF will be the main guy and the longer term appointment. The manager will be the secondary figure and will have to buy into and implement his philosophy on the training pitch and in matches. From the media it would appear that an extra technical director will come in ie: Pep Segura so between the 3 they will devise and implement a football strategy that filters throughout the club at all levels. This will probably be a 5-10 year project and may have several managers involved. The whole idea being that even if the manager changes we'll have continuity and won't have tear the plan up and start again like we've been doing for the past 20 odd years. In baseball the DOF would be akin to the general manager and the manager the equivalent of the head coach. Taking that into consideration the type of manager we're looking for changes and it's one of the main reasons why Rafa isn't being considered.

I think we should take the plunge as fans and back FSG and see what happens. I'm positive they want to win and to make the club successful. They won't make any money if we stay where we are. They're trying to look at it from a different angle and gain an advantage on clubs that currently have a greater income than us. Usually the wage bill correlates to where a team finishes in the league, that's one trend they'll be trying to break. They've done it already in finance and baseball, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it with us.
How do we back FSG when we know nuts about what is actually happening?
 
And why do we moan about whats happening /or not, when nobodyknows and the media are speculating 90% of the time?
 
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