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Liverpool Daily Post: Rafa Benitez not to blame for Liverpool FC's awful start

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COMMENT: Rafa Benitez not to blame for Liverpool FC's awful start
Oct 28 2010 By Ben Thornley, Head of Sport

NOT since William Shakespeare transformed Richard III into a deformed hunchback has a figure endured as much revisionism at the hands of English writers as Rafa Benitez.
As Liverpool manager, Benitez once quipped that he was “blamed for everything, for global warming to high petrol pricesâ€.
It is only since he left Anfield, however, that the real finger-pointing began.

Even Benitez’s most ardent supporter – which this observer certainly was not – would concede that the Inter Milan boss made a series of mistakes in his final years on Merseyside, that contributed to Liverpool missing out on the title in 2009 (albeit with a club record Premier League points haul) and the top four last season.
His greatest blunder, though, appears to have been failing to play the game of the English Press, who have assigned culpability for Roy Hodgson’s abysmal start to Benitez.
Tellingly, the Spaniard endured harsher Fleet Street criticism when guiding Liverpool to the summit of the Premier League in 2008 than his successor did after leaving the club second from bottom following a humiliating 2-0 Merseyside derby defeat.
Apparently, it’s not the Londoner’s fault that Liverpool have made their poorest start to a top-flight campaign since they were relegated in the 1950s.
Forget the regressive tactics, the defeatist press conferences, spending close to £10m on Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen or playing his marquee signing, Raul Meireles, out of position.
No, if you believe everything you read in the national papers, Liverpool are sat in the bottom three because of Benitez’s record in the transfer market and the quality of the squad he left behind.
This despite the former Valencia coach leaving behind 13 players who featured for their countries during this summer’s World Cup and three signings in Pepe Reina, Fernando Torres and Javier Mascherano considered to be among the finest in their position in the game.
And as pointed out in this column last week, nine players who featured in the 4-1 victory over United at Old Trafford are still in Liverpool’s ranks.
Admittedly, Benitez was a deeply frustrating figure who made a handful of questionable decisions in the transfer market.
Forcing the exit of Xabi Alonso, who was key to his favoured 4-2-3-1 system favoured, ranks among his worst – as does his choice for the Basque’s replacement, Alberto Aquilani.
But Aquilani – currently impressing at Juventus – was only a poor buy because he was unavailable until late in the season after undergoing ankle surgery in the May.
And it wasn’t Benitez who sent him back to Italy on loan for a season after the Anfield medical team had nursed him back to full fitness, while spending what little money was available on a player who occupies the same position.
When a player left Liverpool under the Madrid-born coach it was often at a profit, something which is usually ignored by when assessing his transfer record. Like the concept of net spend.
His critics use the high turnover of players during his tenure as a stick to beat him with, while arguing the irrelevance of transfer funds received.
To borrow a line from the excellent Liverpool FC writer Paul Tomkins, when you tell someone how much your house cost you don’t tell them the sum of every property you have ever bought.
And Benitez traded at a significant profit during his final 18 months in charge, as the Amercians' debts began to bite.

Tom Hicks and George Gillett's destabilising effect on the club is seemingly a legitimate excuse for Hodgson's failure but not Benitez's.

The 50-year-old should be remembered as a Liverpool legend after delivering the Champions League in 2005 and assembling the best Reds side for 20 years, yet there are individuals seemingly intent on destroying his legacy.
At the root of this revisionism is the usual mix of xenophobia and patriotism, a resentment of foreign coaches taking the top Premier League jobs – regardless of their pedigree – and a desire to see English bosses get their chance. Again, regardless of their pedigree – see Hodgson.
Remember the fuss when Roberto Mancini replaced Mark Hughes at big spending Manchester City after 18 months of underachievement?
There’s also a less noble motivation behind these journalists wanting British bosses in charge of the elite clubs – they tend to be more open to the Press.
In his entire six-year Anfield stay, Benitez granted just one exclusive interview with a national, The Times.
It’s not that the Spaniard treated the media poorly. Regardless of however intense the interrogation became, Benitez would almost always respond politely and with a smile, no matter how rude his inquisitor.
Something which can’t be said of the tetchy Hodgson.
Every question, no matter how simple, is met with “what do you mean by that, what are you trying to say?â€.
An element of his ill temper can be explained away by his inability to cope with the pressure of the Anfield hotseat.
But Scandinavian and Italian journalists report similar experiences, even during the good times, and have expressed bemusement at his portrayal as an English gentleman on these shores.
Indeed, his derisory comments about the abilities of La Liga and Champions League-winning coach Frank Rijkaard, after the Dutchman was linked to the Liverpool job, were pitiful.
Hodgson would swap all of his trophies won in the backwaters of Europe for just one of the former Barcelona coach’s.
Liverpool fans would happily trade Hodgson for Rijkaard.

I agree
 
Agree with a fair bit of it but not all. Where I would differ with it is that Rafa does have a lot of poor signings lower down the price range on his record, as a result of which our squad is too thin even if our first eleven wouldn't be. I also think the article's take on the Aquilani business is an odd one, given that there were legit questions about the suitability of Aquilani - fit or not, and the picture wasn't as clear as the article seems to think when the guy was still here - for the speed and general physical demands of the Prem.
 
Aquilani was beginning to show what he could do in the last months of the league. His record of assists in such limited starts was impressive. I think he had earned a chance to show what he was capable of. We nursed him to fitness only to fail to take advantage of his talents when fit. It was a bewildering decision by Hodgson.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42475.msg1207861#msg1207861 date=1288359358]
Aquilani was beginning to show what he could do in the last months of the league. His record of assists in such limited starts was impressive. I think he had earned a chance to show what he was capable of. We nursed him to fitness only to fail to take advantage of his talents when fit. It was a bewildering decision by Hodgson.
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too true whats the story with aquilanis loan, is it virtually guaranteed he will go to juventus if he and they want it to happen?
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42475.msg1207861#msg1207861 date=1288359358]
Aquilani was beginning to show what he could do in the last months of the league. His record of assists in such limited starts was impressive. I think he had earned a chance to show what he was capable of. We nursed him to fitness only to fail to take advantage of his talents when fit. It was a bewildering decision by Hodgson.
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too true whats the story with aquilanis loan, is it virtually guaranteed he will go to juventus if he and they want it to happen?
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He does want it to happen - he's said as much in Italy, and it's entirely possible that that will have been clear to Roy before he let the guy go.

I want Roy gone too, as much as anyone on here, but I don't recognise the Doc's version of the situation. For every flash of good play there were long spells when Aquilani was pulling out of challenges and spraying passes nowhere. That last bit admittedly was as much the fault of others around him as it was his, but for my money there's more than just a bit of rose-tinted revisionism in what the Doc says there.
 
Don't agree with this bit:

[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42475.msg1207847#msg1207847 date=1288357474] the excellent Liverpool FC writer Paul Tomkins
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But blaming Rafa for Roy being awful is way off the mark.

Virtually any criticisms I had of Rafa are not just equally applicable, but more so, to Roy
 
Haha, yes Neil.

Of course.

There's a lot of truth in that article; though.

The media gave Rafa a lot of shit mainly because he wouldnt play at their games.

This article is however a serious case of 'serious revisionism' (SpiderNeil TM).

Hodgson's sending of Aquilani on loan wsa a colossal mistake, surpassed only by the colossal mistake of bringing him in in the first place.

Let's not let Hodgson's rubbish tenure cloud the facts of why he arrived in the first place.

'Excellent Liverpool FC writer Paul Tompkins'.

Quite.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42475.msg1207873#msg1207873 date=1288361794]
Haha, yes Neil.

Of course.

There's a lot of truth in that article; though.

The media gave Rafa a lot of shit mainly because he wouldnt play at their games.

This article is however a serious case of 'serious revisionism' (SpiderNeil TM).

Hodgson's sending of Aquilani on loan wsa a colossal mistake, surpassed only by the colossal mistake of bringing him in in the first place.

Let's not let Hodgson's rubbish tenure cloud the facts of why he arrived in the first place.

'Excellent Liverpool FC writer Paul Tompkins'.

Quite.
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How are those two propositions reconcilable?
 
We shouldnt have brought him in as he was a crock; but after he was finally showing some promise, he gets packed off.
 
I think Hodgson is taking the blame for Rafa's mistakes. Our slump in the second half of last season was only saved from total disaster by Mascherano holding things together. I don't think Mascherano's departure can be blamed on Rafa, but Roy had to take on a struggling squad minus a key player.
 
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We shouldnt have brought him in as he was a crock; but after he was finally showing some promise, he gets packed off.
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Sorry but that's trying to have it both ways. If Aquilani was showing enough promise to be kept on, it was far-sighted to sign him in the first place. I don't think either is true.
 
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[quote author=Markeh link=topic=42475.msg1207864#msg1207864 date=1288359795]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42475.msg1207861#msg1207861 date=1288359358]
Aquilani was beginning to show what he could do in the last months of the league. His record of assists in such limited starts was impressive. I think he had earned a chance to show what he was capable of. We nursed him to fitness only to fail to take advantage of his talents when fit. It was a bewildering decision by Hodgson.
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too true whats the story with aquilanis loan, is it virtually guaranteed he will go to juventus if he and they want it to happen?
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He does want it to happen - he's said as much in Italy, and it's entirely possible that that will have been clear to Roy before he let the guy go.

I want Roy gone too, as much as anyone on here, but I don't recognise the Doc's version of the situation. For every flash of good play there were long spells when Aquilani was pulling out of challenges and spraying passes nowhere. That last bit admittedly was as much the fault of others around him as it was his, but for my money there's more than just a bit of rose-tinted revisionism in what the Doc says there.
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Well I was saying last season that I rated Aquilani and that I thought he made us much more exciting and unpredictable.

So I'm not saying anything I wasn't saying towards the tail end of last season. Some of our passing moves when he was on the pitch were sublime. If you fancy trawling my posts you'll see I was banging this drum before he was sent away.

So you can say I'm wrong, but not that this is revisionism.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42475.msg1207875#msg1207875 date=1288362077]
We shouldnt have brought him in as he was a crock; but after he was finally showing some promise, he gets packed off.
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I think the writer's point was we nursed aqua back to full fitness and when he was fit he was loaned out. so how is that (aqua being loaned out) rafa's fault? but yes aqau being bought in the first place is definately rafa's fault.
 
Point taken about the revisionism bit, Doc, and I don't even disagree that we did some good things with him on the pitch - occasionally, which for my money wasn't enough. There's the rub IMO.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42475.msg1207879#msg1207879 date=1288362649]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42475.msg1207875#msg1207875 date=1288362077]
We shouldnt have brought him in as he was a crock; but after he was finally showing some promise, he gets packed off.
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I think the writer's point was we nursed aqua back to full fitness and when he was fit he was loaned out. so how is that (aqua being loaned out) rafa's fault? but yes aqau being bought in the first place is definately rafa's fault.
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I agree with most of what's been said about Aqua, he was showing promise and it was baffling why he left, he could have been like a new signing (fitness permitting) but... Does anyone really know the ins and outs? He didn't seem to relish the physical nature of the Premiership and seemed all too happy to be returning to Italy so soon, so who knows how much of this was down to the player and how much was down to the club? Rafa also insinuated that he was deeming himself unfit at times last season, which wouldn't have boded well, especially for a club trying to make a statement about moving forward and being more ruthless (even if they did pick up Roy).
 
The truth, as ever, is somewhere in the middle.

Roy inherited a squad which was demotivated, under performing, had some gaping holes, and unsatisfied players - and then was was given little money to rectify the situation.

So it's fair to say a lot of the ingredients were there for a poor season - but Roy has came in there and threw many more into the pot. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise, frankly.

The only point worth taking from this article is the media perceptions of both managers, but then we knew that already.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42475.msg1207879#msg1207879 date=1288362649]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42475.msg1207875#msg1207875 date=1288362077]
We shouldnt have brought him in as he was a crock; but after he was finally showing some promise, he gets packed off.
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I think the writer's point was we nursed aqua back to full fitness and when he was fit he was loaned out. so how is that (aqua being loaned out) rafa's fault? but yes aqau being bought in the first place is definately rafa's fault.
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Agreed, but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

I thnk we should have kept him on; the idea that we exchanged Aquilani for essentially Poulsen and 9 million pounds is a joke.

But he was fit for months and was never used by Rafa in favour of Lucas; and there were many issues with Aquilani's bottle.

It's realy very hard to decide this way or that whn it comes to Aquilni.
 
as far as I'm concerned and the reason why the media are talking utter UTTER shit with attempting to pass off blame to rafa and leaving roy blameless despite the shambolic start to the season is...


regardless of how shite you think rafa's squad, no way on this fucking EARTH is the squad the 18th worst squad in the league, so every single place below where we such be in the league based on squad strength is underachievement by the manager. how the press can attempt to sweep that under the carpet is fucking beyond me.
 
Fat Waster:

Aqua, Keane, Johnson............60m shat away.

Little transfer budget remained : FACT


Hodgson:

Pathetic choice for LFC manager
piss poor record for a guy with over 100 years of management experience : FACT
 
Jamie Radtwat does a piece on Sky today about how all the promoted teams are doing well because of thier managers, but last week he was blaming Rafa for us being in the shit zone.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42475.msg1207884#msg1207884 date=1288363615]
The truth, as ever, is somewhere in the middle.
Roy inherited a squad which was demotivated, under performing, had some gaping holes, and unsatisfied players - and then was was given little money to rectify the situation.
So it's fair to say a lot of the ingredients were there for a poor season - but Roy has came in there and threw many more into the pot. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise, frankly.
The only point worth taking from this article is the media perceptions of both managers, but then we knew that already.
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^ this. lazy journalism at best. easier to keep harping on the things that reinforce the perception rather than give contradictory evidence that makes u look like a git. Only credit I'm giving Roy now is that he had the audacity to take the job in the first place. But really Roy, enough of the grovelling submissive timid behaviour and statements.
 
i saw that article on TLW earlier and i agreed with pretty much all of it, loads of which i've raised myself on here, such as how it always seemed that he was actually very pleasant to the media, and how laughable it is to deny him credit for frequently making profits on transfers and at least clawing back good fees on his failures.

i doubt it'll change anyone's mind, though.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=42475.msg1207896#msg1207896 date=1288365665]
Fat Waster:
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Opposition supporters would call Rafa a "fat waster" despite his obvious achievements. We'd then call them cunts. That's how it is supposed to go.
 
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Fat Waster:
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Opposition supporters would call Rafa a "fat waster" despite his obvious achievements. We'd then call them cunts. That's how it is supposed to go.
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Yeah, but this is the guy that referred to Mourinho as "The King", so...
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=42475.msg1207896#msg1207896 date=1288365665]
Fat Waster:
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Opposition supporters would call Rafa a "fat waster" despite his obvious achievements. We'd then call them cunts. That's how it is supposed to go.
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Yeah, but this is the guy that referred to Mourinho as "The King", so...
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it's also the guy who's not only the biggest cunt on the forum, but also sad enough to deliberately attract attention and abuse on the internet by exaggerating that cuntishness: even as i type, i'm thinking, he's just not worth it.
 
Terrier is nowhere on the cuntish scale as past members who have left or been banned.

This must irk him, because he tries so much harder.
 
i think he's more cuntish than zlatan, who's really more of an imbecile than an out-and-proud cunt - although he is still a cunt, obviously.

i can't think of any other rivals, but then i'm generally quite tolerant of the nutters like rebel and glock.
 
I think Terrier is a monstrous cuntsore. There is very little that he posts that doesn't raise my heckles. He's thick, but not quite so thick that he is somehow endearing.
 
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