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Liverpool - Aston Villa

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Hansern

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So, no team news or line ups yet?

I'm expecting Roy to play the same team as against Spurs. With Stevie and Joe Cole on the bench.

Villa have a shit load of injuries, and to add to that Ashley Young got his 5th yellow card against Brum on wednesday and is suspended.

I'm expecting a tight game, and us ending up as 2-1 winners.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43067.msg1228987#msg1228987 date=1291577811]
So, no team news or line ups yet?

I'm expecting Roy to play the same team as against Spurs. With Stevie and Joe Cole on the bench.

Villa have a shit load of injuries, and to add to that Ashley Young got his 5th yellow card against Brum on wednesday and is suspended.

I'm expecting a tight game, and us ending up as 2-1 winners.
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i expect cole to start, possibly in place of maxi or n'gog. Can't say i'd be happy with that though
 
I think we should batter them, but it will finish 2-1.

Their form is dreadful at the moment.
 
I would start:

Reina

Kelly Soto Skrtel Konchesky


Johnson Lucas Meireles Kuyt


Jova Torres

We need to give Konchesky the Kuyt protection, plus Kuyt will cut in no matter what, so let him do it from the left where he showed such good form for the Dutch.
Kelly is a first teamer and I want to release Johnson from the majority of his defensive responsibilities and let him provide the width we desperately need.
Jova deserves to play up top, he's strong and hard to tackle I think he could help our play more than N'gog and he suits Roys tactics more than anyone else..

We'll see the same team that started against Spurs though with the possibility of Cole in for N'gog with Kuyt up top and Maxi on the right and Cole on the left. But I think that makes us worse.
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=43067.msg1228996#msg1228996 date=1291582732]
I would start:

Reina

Kelly Soto Skrtel Konchesky


Johnson Lucas Meireles Kuyt


Jova Torres

We need to give Konchesky the Kuyt protection, plus Kuyt will cut in no matter what, so let him do it from the left where he showed such good form for the Dutch.
Kelly is a first teamer and I want to release Johnson from the majority of his defensive responsibilities and let him provide the width we desperately need.
Jova deserves to play up top, he's strong and hard to tackle I think he could help our play more than N'gog and he suits Roys tactics more than anyone else..

We'll see the same team that started against Spurs though with the possibility of Cole in for N'gog with Kuyt up top and Maxi on the right and Cole on the left. But I think that makes us worse.

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i don't agree with the wings (johnson should be full back and kuyt should be on the right), but the rest of the squad seems good to me
 
I think it will be:


----------------------Reina------------------
Kelly------Greek-----------Skrtel------Konch----
-Maxi------Lucas----------Meireles----Cole-----
---------------Kuyt-------Torres-------------------
 
----------------Reina----------------
Johnson--Skrtel-Greek--Aurelio
-----------Lucas--Meireles--------
--Kuyt---------Cole--------Maxi---
---------------Torres---------------

Really though, Babel or Jova should probably get a start after their performances midweek.
 
I'd go with Mark's team. I'd be tempted to shift them around at times and have Kuyt up front with Torres and go 4-4-2, but I agree with the personnel.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=43067.msg1228999#msg1228999 date=1291583047]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=43067.msg1228996#msg1228996 date=1291582732]
I would start:

Reina

Kelly Soto Skrtel Konchesky


Johnson Lucas Meireles Kuyt


Jova Torres
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i don't agree with the wings (johnson should be full back and kuyt should be on the right), but the rest of the squad seems good to me
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I really think Johnson is the answer to RW in a 4-4-2 and I want Kelly to be playing football consistently during his formative years (same with Wilson really). But if Johnson is RB and Kuyt is RM then Kelly has to play LB but Konchesky is firmly in Roy's plans.

The truth is there is Balance on my wings.
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=43067.msg1229014#msg1229014 date=1291584155]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=43067.msg1228999#msg1228999 date=1291583047]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=43067.msg1228996#msg1228996 date=1291582732]
I would start:

Reina

Kelly Soto Skrtel Konchesky


Johnson Lucas Meireles Kuyt


Jova Torres
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i don't agree with the wings (johnson should be full back and kuyt should be on the right), but the rest of the squad seems good to me
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I really think Johnson is the answer to RW in a 4-4-2 and I want Kelly to be playing football consistently during his formative years (same with Wilson really). But if Johnson is RB and Kuyt is RM then Kelly has to play LB but Konchesky is firmly in Roy's plans.

The truth is there is Balance on my wings.
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Its not balance at all. You've converted a full back and a striker to suit wing plans. More Balanced would be maxi and Jova on the wings. 2 players who cut in and offer no width. It's balanced. Shit. But balanced. Johnson still has shown no evidence to me how he could be a good right winger. Kuyt at least gets to the line on the right, he'll cut in too much on the left and it'll deprive us of our already limited width
 
I think Johnson is more of a right winger than Kuyt will ever be.

Kuyt can do a job - and a good one - in the 4-2-3-1 formation, but he has never been anything other than shit in the 4-4-2 on the right. It really pisses me off when we do it.
 
Did you not watch Portsmouth the year before we bought him, half of his games were played as a RWB in a 3-5-2 meaning he covered most of the right side of the field as a creative force and tracking back. Giving him a big strong defender behind him and letting him run riot and letting him attack is the way to get value for the price we paid for him and the wages he is on.

And Kuyt was phenomenal for the Dutch on the Left granted it was farther forward but he has long since been a Wing midfielder for us so what makes it impossible for him to play on the LM position and help cover our worst defensive position, LB. Is he not the most intelligent player? If anyone can do it its him. If we had a proper LW option I would want them to play it, but as we don't lets use our Mr. Versatility where we need him most.

Kelly needs to be playing now that Carra is out as Soto can't cover Johnson. Also I like Kelly's ability in the air.
 
I'm with Ass on this, Johnson deserves a shot at right midfield ahead of Kelly.

Whether Johnson sees himself there is another matter.
 
Mutual respect for mediocrity spawned this fine bromance

We've all had enough pain. We've all had enough misery and dissembling. But the next 24 hours will bring more, although it will be disguised as a heart-warming story of friends re-united. Gerard Houllier returns to Anfield tomorrow and he will be met there by his great friend Roy Hodgson.
If you had Roy Hodgson's away record, you too would have many friends in football. Since August 2009, Hodgson has won two league matches away from home, so it is no surprise he is greeted warmly wherever he goes.
Hodgson, as he repeatedly reminds people, may be one of the game's most respected figures, but when he walks through the front door of a football club, he is also a walking, talking three points for the home side. All that is left is to choose the wine. They spend a lot of time talking abut wine.
Instead of points, he accumulates friends, who tell him how well he's doing in his latest job, the management of the decline of Liverpool.
He will be emboldened by the words from his great friend Houllier, who returns to Anfield, despite never really having left. From afar, he guided Liverpool to victory in the Champions League in Istanbul. It was his side, a side containing Djimi Traore, that won the European Cup. At the UEFA conferences where he sees his friends or when he sits down with a journalist, Houllier tells them this and they nod sagely. It is a version of the truth. Signing Djimi Traore was Houllier's achievement. Winning the European Cup with Djimi Traore was Rafael Benitez's.
These stories of managerial bonhomie are not complete without mention of the "good bottle of red" that one has decanted for another. The mistrust of Arsene Wenger by many stems from the fact that Wenger, though clearly French, eschews the good bottle of red.
There will be more talk of red wine in the build-up to tomorrow's game than during a Keith Floyd show where he is cooking coq au vin with red wine gravy followed by a red wine tapioca pudding.
They are both friends with Alex Ferguson too. Ferguson has acquired many friends in football, but he has rarely shown up at a football ground without considering if he could build a lifelong grudge around the presence of some enemy in the vicinity.
Hodgson last week described Liverpool's draw in the FA Cup with United as "sad". There are eight members of the team that won 4-1 at Old Trafford still in Liverpool's squad. Hodgson will be able to pick on seven of them and the painful decline of Jamie Carragher means he will not miss the eighth.
If Liverpool have disintegrated since that time, Manchester United have got no better. Hodgson's sadness was over the meeting of two big teams in the third round, but there was the underlying sadness as he jokes about putting on his make-up for live TV that, once again, his real record would be scrutinised and exposed.
He is just a patsy. Most of those who appointed him are no longer employed at Anfield but yet he must muddle on.
Many of his supporters in the media castigate Liverpool fans for abandoning their principles and not showing the patience they have traditionally granted previous managers. This, they will claim, is a reflection, of our impatient times with its demand for instant gratification (my problem with instant gratification is that it takes too long).
Yet Liverpool fans were pretty patient with Benitez and that was six months ago. It may not be the times that have changed just the credentials of the incumbent.
Hodgson's supporters still point to his record, highlighting in all seriousness his exploits at Fulham. There is no real success. Hodgson has never won a league title outside Scandinavia.
His methods, as he put it himself, "have translated from Halmstads to Malmo, to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax, to the Swiss national team".
Liverpool fans are not showing impatience with Hodgson, they are voicing their feeling that he was the wrong appointment for a club that demands more than going a year without an away win and nobody noticing.
It could be that those who praised Hodgson so highly weren't really paying attention. It was easy to praise a friendly and welcoming manager while he was at Fulham. It was easy, even if he was going from one end of the season to the next without winning away from home to talk about his exploits.
One journalist recently wrote a piece defending Hodgson (guess what? He needs time). Liverpool fans were criticised for chanting Kenny Dalglish's name and the writer wondered if maybe Liverpool fans should get Dalglish just to see how they would react if it was a Dalglish side that lost at home to Northampton, went into the bottom three or lost at Stoke.
It was Hodgson who did this but it seems it is always somebody else's problem.
Usually, it is Benitez's. Last week's news that Liverpool incurred £9m in agents' fees thanks solely to Benitez was another example. This cost came about "tackling the legacy of the previous regime" as it was widely reported.
Hodgson arrived saying Liverpool were over-staffed and then recruited Konchesky, Poulsen and Joe Cole while letting some young talent go and releasing a finally fit Alberto Aquilani on loan.
The reality is that Hodgson has discovered that Liverpool is a club apart, uninterested in the soothing words from the media.
"Everyone I know in football respects the job I'm doing here and aren't too surprised it hasn't been an easy start," he said last week as he anticipated a meeting with another old friend, Harry Redknapp, before reminding people that Jose Mourinho had said Liverpool will get "worse and worse". Hodgson left White Hart Lane pointless and characteristically fatalistic, even after a good bottle of red.
Tomorrow promises more warmth and conviviality. Hodgson and Houllier will talk about their mutual respect and reflect on their great gifts of survival, skipping over their exploits which have earned them such admiration from their many friends in football.
A draw would be the most fitting demonstration of this great bromance.

dfanning@independent.ie
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43067.msg1229044#msg1229044 date=1291588080]
Think the problem is the idea of Kuyt as a left winger,though.
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He'll be fine, he's not a stranger to the LW, why would it bother him to also have to run back to add defensive stability, he's used to doing it.
 
This has draw written all over it but hopefully not.

Really want to see Torres bag a hat trick to kick start his season.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=43067.msg1229057#msg1229057 date=1291599145]
This has draw written all over it but hopefully not.

Really want to see Torres bag a hat trick to kick start his season.
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Explain how the fuck it has draw written all over it?
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43067.msg1229073#msg1229073 date=1291610202]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=43067.msg1229057#msg1229057 date=1291599145]
This has draw written all over it but hopefully not.

Really want to see Torres bag a hat trick to kick start his season.
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Explain how the fuck it has draw written all over it?
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A team we should beat, playing poorly coming to Anfield needing a result.

They'll park the bus and we'll find it hard to break them down.

Ged will relish coming back here.

I would love to see an easy 3-0 win but I doubt it will happen.
 
Fanning seems to be on a mission. The exact opposite mission to some other journos. He's to be congratulated for that. As ever the truth is somewhere in between.
 
Reina

Magic - Greek - Skrtel - Aurelio

Maxi - Lucas - Ming - Jovanovic

Kuyt - Torres


Bring Cole and Babel on for Maxi and Jova in the second half. I think we'll win convincingly. Attack attack attack...
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=43067.msg1229089#msg1229089 date=1291622863]
Fanning seems to be on a mission. The exact opposite mission to some other journos. He's to be congratulated for that. As ever the truth is somewhere in between.
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I presume he is a genuine red. He spoke out against the previous owners but as you said the truth is always somewhere in between.
 
----------------Reina
Johnson--Greek--Skertl--Aurelio
Babel--Meireles--Lucas---Cole
--------Kuyt--Torres

Probably too attacking for Roy but at home against a team that have been woeful all season and will come for a point we will need to break them down, Kuyt Cole and Babel will all give the opposition something to think about and not leave it all up to Torres

If we play conservatively this will be a draw but Villa are there to be demolished, their only good player is missing the tie and their confidence is non existent right now
 
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[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=43067.msg1229089#msg1229089 date=1291622863]
Fanning seems to be on a mission. The exact opposite mission to some other journos. He's to be congratulated for that. As ever the truth is somewhere in between.
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I presume he is a genuine red. He spoke out against the previous owners but as you said the truth is always somewhere in between.
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He is a card carrying RAWK member apparently.
It figures as his viewpoint seems to be well represented over there.
 
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