Liverpool are planning an audacious move for Real Madrid striker Raul
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If (hypothetically) we got him, my opinion on whether it's a good bit of business would probably depend on what else we did transferwise over the summer.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39578.msg1079718#msg1079718 date=1270083109]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39578.msg1079714#msg1079714 date=1270082548]
I'm not sure we should go for this but I'm really surprised at the lack of respect for, clearly, one of the best strikers of the modern age. He had a dip, for one season, about 7 years ago and people seem to think he's been shit since. If you'd been watching, not reading the papers or the internet, you'd think otherwise.
Bizarre.
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Exactly.
Some of the comments here are fucking mental.
"A Spanish Robbie Fowler" - He's a better player and goalscorer than Fowler ever was.
"Finished 10 years ago" - He's averaged over 20 goals a season every season in the last 10 years.
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Sorry, I can't let that pass. NOBODY is a 'better goalscorer' than Robbie Fowler in his prime.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39578.msg1079714#msg1079714 date=1270082548]
I'm not sure we should go for this but I'm really surprised at the lack of respect for, clearly, one of the best strikers of the modern age. He had a dip, for one season, about 7 years ago and people seem to think he's been shit since. If you'd been watching, not reading the papers or the internet, you'd think otherwise.
Bizarre.
[/quote]
Exactly.
Some of the comments here are fucking mental.
"A Spanish Robbie Fowler" - He's a better player and goalscorer than Fowler ever was.
"Finished 10 years ago" - He's averaged over 20 goals a season every season in the last 10 years.
[/quote]
Sorry, I can't let that pass. NOBODY is a 'better goalscorer' than Robbie Fowler in his prime.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079763#msg1079763 date=1270105294]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39578.msg1079718#msg1079718 date=1270083109]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39578.msg1079714#msg1079714 date=1270082548]
I'm not sure we should go for this but I'm really surprised at the lack of respect for, clearly, one of the best strikers of the modern age. He had a dip, for one season, about 7 years ago and people seem to think he's been shit since. If you'd been watching, not reading the papers or the internet, you'd think otherwise.
Bizarre.
[/quote]
Exactly.
Some of the comments here are fucking mental.
"A Spanish Robbie Fowler" - He's a better player and goalscorer than Fowler ever was.
"Finished 10 years ago" - He's averaged over 20 goals a season every season in the last 10 years.
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Sorry, I can't let that pass. NOBODY is a 'better goalscorer' than Robbie Fowler in his prime.
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Yup. Fucking nonsense.
*Hooks thumbs into jeans and spits on the ground*
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39578.msg1079718#msg1079718 date=1270083109]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39578.msg1079714#msg1079714 date=1270082548]
I'm not sure we should go for this but I'm really surprised at the lack of respect for, clearly, one of the best strikers of the modern age. He had a dip, for one season, about 7 years ago and people seem to think he's been shit since. If you'd been watching, not reading the papers or the internet, you'd think otherwise.
Bizarre.
[/quote]
Exactly.
Some of the comments here are fucking mental.
"A Spanish Robbie Fowler" - He's a better player and goalscorer than Fowler ever was.
"Finished 10 years ago" - He's averaged over 20 goals a season every season in the last 10 years.
[/quote]
Sorry, I can't let that pass. NOBODY is a 'better goalscorer' than Robbie Fowler in his prime.
[/quote]
Yup. Fucking nonsense.
*Hooks thumbs into jeans and spits on the ground*
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079763#msg1079763 date=1270105294]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39578.msg1079718#msg1079718 date=1270083109]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39578.msg1079714#msg1079714 date=1270082548]
I'm not sure we should go for this but I'm really surprised at the lack of respect for, clearly, one of the best strikers of the modern age. He had a dip, for one season, about 7 years ago and people seem to think he's been shit since. If you'd been watching, not reading the papers or the internet, you'd think otherwise.
Bizarre.
[/quote]
Exactly.
Some of the comments here are fucking mental.
"A Spanish Robbie Fowler" - He's a better player and goalscorer than Fowler ever was.
"Finished 10 years ago" - He's averaged over 20 goals a season every season in the last 10 years.
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Sorry, I can't let that pass. NOBODY is a 'better goalscorer' than Robbie Fowler in his prime.
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Stat attack:
Raul - 227 goals in 547 games = a goal every 2.4 games
Fowler - 163 goals in 378 game = a goal every 2.3 games (I took out Robbie's time at Cardiff City and in the A-League because they don't compare to the standard of the Premiership or La Liga)
Fowler (all included) - 176 goals in 417 = 1 goal every 2.37 games.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39578.msg1079718#msg1079718 date=1270083109]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39578.msg1079714#msg1079714 date=1270082548]
I'm not sure we should go for this but I'm really surprised at the lack of respect for, clearly, one of the best strikers of the modern age. He had a dip, for one season, about 7 years ago and people seem to think he's been shit since. If you'd been watching, not reading the papers or the internet, you'd think otherwise.
Bizarre.
[/quote]
Exactly.
Some of the comments here are fucking mental.
"A Spanish Robbie Fowler" - He's a better player and goalscorer than Fowler ever was.
"Finished 10 years ago" - He's averaged over 20 goals a season every season in the last 10 years.
[/quote]
Sorry, I can't let that pass. NOBODY is a 'better goalscorer' than Robbie Fowler in his prime.
[/quote]
Stat attack:
Raul - 227 goals in 547 games = a goal every 2.4 games
Fowler - 163 goals in 378 game = a goal every 2.3 games (I took out Robbie's time at Cardiff City and in the A-League because they don't compare to the standard of the Premiership or La Liga)
Fowler (all included) - 176 goals in 417 = 1 goal every 2.37 games.
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
I don't need stats to tell me Robbie Fowler is a better goalscorer than Raul.
Ryan occassionally overreaches with a fact (cf Dirk 'always' scores when it matters) but generally speaking he's right. Certainly Raul is a lot better than he's being given credit for. He's been doing it for years.
I would say that he has benefited from being Reals favourite son and of course playing season in season out in front of some of the finest creative talent in the world (Figo, Zidane, Beckham, Mcmanaman, Guti etc) I'd be suprised if he had such a high goals to games ratio at any other club in the world, and i think that almost every other striker who has come in for the past 6 or 7 years has outscored him comfortably (Owen, Morientes, Van Nistlerooy, Ronaldo, Higauin etc) during their time at the club. That's not to suggest he isn't a great player, he is. You don't last 15 years at Madrid or become their top scorer ever or la ligas top goalscorer ever or the champions leagues top scorer or Spains top scorer etc etc if you aren't a very special player. I've seen him score some beautiful goals over the years and have loved watching him.
But he's 32 and not going go get any better. He now plays in the Gerrard role, so what's the point? Seriously why sign a player for that kind of wedge for just a year or two.
We need a forward thinking plan. Not another stop gap.
I don't really want to sign any old players.
All that said. Raul is/was class. He has to worth more respect than he is being afforded here.
Ryan occassionally overreaches with a fact (cf Dirk 'always' scores when it matters) but generally speaking he's right. Certainly Raul is a lot better than he's being given credit for. He's been doing it for years.
I would say that he has benefited from being Reals favourite son and of course playing season in season out in front of some of the finest creative talent in the world (Figo, Zidane, Beckham, Mcmanaman, Guti etc) I'd be suprised if he had such a high goals to games ratio at any other club in the world, and i think that almost every other striker who has come in for the past 6 or 7 years has outscored him comfortably (Owen, Morientes, Van Nistlerooy, Ronaldo, Higauin etc) during their time at the club. That's not to suggest he isn't a great player, he is. You don't last 15 years at Madrid or become their top scorer ever or la ligas top goalscorer ever or the champions leagues top scorer or Spains top scorer etc etc if you aren't a very special player. I've seen him score some beautiful goals over the years and have loved watching him.
But he's 32 and not going go get any better. He now plays in the Gerrard role, so what's the point? Seriously why sign a player for that kind of wedge for just a year or two.
We need a forward thinking plan. Not another stop gap.
I don't really want to sign any old players.
All that said. Raul is/was class. He has to worth more respect than he is being afforded here.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
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I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
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I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079779#msg1079779 date=1270107322]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[/quote]
I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[/quote]I don't mean 'do you really think torres is better' I mean do you really think 'higher goalscoring ratio = better goalscorer'?
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
I wonder sometimes if the art of WATCHING football isn't lost on the modern fan.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[/quote]
I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[/quote]I don't mean 'do you really think torres is better' I mean do you really think 'higher goalscoring ratio = better goalscorer'?
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
I wonder sometimes if the art of WATCHING football isn't lost on the modern fan.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079781#msg1079781 date=1270107541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079779#msg1079779 date=1270107322]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[/quote]
I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[/quote]I don't mean 'do you really think torres is better' I mean do you really think 'higher goalscoring ratio = better goalscorer'?
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
I wonder sometimes if the art of WATCHING football isn't lost on the modern fan.
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okay, it isn't that simplisitic.I was wrong in that regard and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I was having loads of arguments of why I thought messi was better than ronaldo when ronaldo was filling his boot so its hyprocritical of me to say that now. sorry.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079779#msg1079779 date=1270107322]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
[/quote]
surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[/quote]
I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[/quote]I don't mean 'do you really think torres is better' I mean do you really think 'higher goalscoring ratio = better goalscorer'?
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
I wonder sometimes if the art of WATCHING football isn't lost on the modern fan.
[/quote]
okay, it isn't that simplisitic.I was wrong in that regard and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I was having loads of arguments of why I thought messi was better than ronaldo when ronaldo was filling his boot so its hyprocritical of me to say that now. sorry.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079783#msg1079783 date=1270108012]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079781#msg1079781 date=1270107541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079779#msg1079779 date=1270107322]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[/quote]
I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[/quote]I don't mean 'do you really think torres is better' I mean do you really think 'higher goalscoring ratio = better goalscorer'?
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
I wonder sometimes if the art of WATCHING football isn't lost on the modern fan.
[/quote]
okay, it isn't that simplisitic.I was wrong in that regard and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I was having loads of arguments of why I thought messi was better than ronaldo when ronaldo was filling his boot so its hyprocritical of me to say that now. sorry.
[/quote]Dont apologise. I just wondered is all mate.
Incidentally I agree with you, I think Torres is a better goalscorer than Robbie too.
Torres
Fowler
Rush
Aldridge
Owen
for me. Obviously I don't remember Hunt etc.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079781#msg1079781 date=1270107541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079779#msg1079779 date=1270107322]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079777#msg1079777 date=1270107176]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079775#msg1079775 date=1270106911]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39578.msg1079770#msg1079770 date=1270106059]
It's not even about stats though. For instance, Torres's goalscoring record for Liverpool is better than Robbie's. Is he a better striker/player? Yes, absolutely. Is he a 'better goalscorer'? I really don't think so. Torres misses loads more chances than Robbie ever did. He gets more, of course, because his pace and skill allows him to make space and get in threatening positions. But I can't think of ANYONE who was a more clinical, expert finisher than Robbie Fowler at his peak. Not Rush, not Ronaldo, not nobody. Maybe I'm blinded by my red-tinted specs, I don't know, but for me he was the best finisher I've ever seen.
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surely if someone scores a higher ration in a shorter amount of time that equals better? also take into consideration the attacking nature of roy's liverpool compared to rafa's liverpool.
[/quote]Do you really think that?
[/quote]
I thought robbie was absolutely one of the best finishers I have ever seen but imho torres better. obviously the memory of torres is fresher in my mind which is playing a part in that opinion
[/quote]I don't mean 'do you really think torres is better' I mean do you really think 'higher goalscoring ratio = better goalscorer'?
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
I wonder sometimes if the art of WATCHING football isn't lost on the modern fan.
[/quote]
okay, it isn't that simplisitic.I was wrong in that regard and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I was having loads of arguments of why I thought messi was better than ronaldo when ronaldo was filling his boot so its hyprocritical of me to say that now. sorry.
[/quote]Dont apologise. I just wondered is all mate.
Incidentally I agree with you, I think Torres is a better goalscorer than Robbie too.
Torres
Fowler
Rush
Aldridge
Owen
for me. Obviously I don't remember Hunt etc.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079776#msg1079776 date=1270106956]
I would say that he has benefited from being Reals favourite son and of course playing season in season out in front of some of the finest creative talent in the world (Figo, Zidane, Beckham, Mcmanaman, Guti etc) I'd be suprised if he had such a high goals to games ratio at any other club in the world, and i think that almost every other striker who has come in for the past 6 or 7 years has outscored him comfortably (Owen, Morientes, Van Nistlerooy, Ronaldo, Higauin etc) during their time at the club.
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If I could have been bothered this was my argument
I would say that he has benefited from being Reals favourite son and of course playing season in season out in front of some of the finest creative talent in the world (Figo, Zidane, Beckham, Mcmanaman, Guti etc) I'd be suprised if he had such a high goals to games ratio at any other club in the world, and i think that almost every other striker who has come in for the past 6 or 7 years has outscored him comfortably (Owen, Morientes, Van Nistlerooy, Ronaldo, Higauin etc) during their time at the club.
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If I could have been bothered this was my argument
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079781#msg1079781 date=1270107541]
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
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Of course we will never get to a definitive answer to these questions, but I do feel confident that Liverpool shouldn't have got rid of Aldridge to Spain when Rush came back from Italy. I think at that stage in their respective careers, Aldridge would have scored more goals than Rush if we had kept him.
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
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Of course we will never get to a definitive answer to these questions, but I do feel confident that Liverpool shouldn't have got rid of Aldridge to Spain when Rush came back from Italy. I think at that stage in their respective careers, Aldridge would have scored more goals than Rush if we had kept him.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=39578.msg1079787#msg1079787 date=1270108684]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079781#msg1079781 date=1270107541]
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
[/quote]
Of course we will never get to a definitive answer to these questions, but I do feel confident that Liverpool shouldn't have got rid of Aldridge to Spain when Rush came back from Italy. I think at that stage in their respective careers, Aldridge would have scored more goals than Rush if we had kept him.
[/quote]I don't disagree Portly. He scored a goal every other game at Sociadad too. But then he did go down divisions to keep his ratio up later in his career.
I loved Aldridge and always thought bringing Rush back for him was a mistake.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39578.msg1079781#msg1079781 date=1270107541]
Statistically Aldridge is better than Rush. I don't need a flowchart to tell me that isn't so.
[/quote]
Of course we will never get to a definitive answer to these questions, but I do feel confident that Liverpool shouldn't have got rid of Aldridge to Spain when Rush came back from Italy. I think at that stage in their respective careers, Aldridge would have scored more goals than Rush if we had kept him.
[/quote]I don't disagree Portly. He scored a goal every other game at Sociadad too. But then he did go down divisions to keep his ratio up later in his career.
I loved Aldridge and always thought bringing Rush back for him was a mistake.
He is past his best. This has nothing to do with a lack of respect and everything to do with fact. He is one of the most respected figures ever at Real, yet starts most games on the bench. They are building for the future and so should we, rather than looking at a player whose heart will always lie in Madrid and is currently considering New York Red Bulls as an alternative to retirement.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39578.msg1079807#msg1079807 date=1270114250]
He is past his best. This has nothing to do with a lack of respect and everything to do with fact. He is one of the most respected figures ever at Real, yet starts most games on the bench. They are building for the future and so should we, rather than looking at a player whose heart will always lie in Madrid and is currently considering New York Red Bulls as an alternative to retirement.
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I could counter than by saying sometimes an old head is enouh to push a team other the finish line, look at the 'macca effect'...
...but I wont because I think raul would be worse than morientes
He is past his best. This has nothing to do with a lack of respect and everything to do with fact. He is one of the most respected figures ever at Real, yet starts most games on the bench. They are building for the future and so should we, rather than looking at a player whose heart will always lie in Madrid and is currently considering New York Red Bulls as an alternative to retirement.
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I could counter than by saying sometimes an old head is enouh to push a team other the finish line, look at the 'macca effect'...
...but I wont because I think raul would be worse than morientes
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39578.msg1079807#msg1079807 date=1270114250]
He is past his best. This has nothing to do with a lack of respect and everything to do with fact. He is one of the most respected figures ever at Real, yet starts most games on the bench. They are building for the future and so should we, rather than looking at a player whose heart will always lie in Madrid and is currently considering New York Red Bulls as an alternative to retirement.
[/quote]I don't think anyone doesn't think he's past his best mate.
He is past his best. This has nothing to do with a lack of respect and everything to do with fact. He is one of the most respected figures ever at Real, yet starts most games on the bench. They are building for the future and so should we, rather than looking at a player whose heart will always lie in Madrid and is currently considering New York Red Bulls as an alternative to retirement.
[/quote]I don't think anyone doesn't think he's past his best mate.
How many of Raul's goals are penos too? Loads I say (without any shred of statistical evidence).
Look, he is still good enough and young enough to do a job for a lot of clubs but we play in a physically challenging league and have particular requirements, which he doesnt meet. We already have a slow striker in Kuyt who tends to play deeper. We need a different option.
We are certainly hamstrung by our lack of finances, which calls for some creativity in the transfer market, but it needs to actually address our needs.
We are certainly hamstrung by our lack of finances, which calls for some creativity in the transfer market, but it needs to actually address our needs.
the current forward is gerrard, so the striker brought in needs to either (a) create more chances than gerrard would in that position or (b) score more goals than gerrard would in that position, this would force rafa to move gerrard to another area of the pitch.
or rafa's plan could be purely cover for torres, in that case the striker would have be good enough to cover for torres if (rather when) torres gets injuried and at the same time not throw a strop for not playing week in week out.
I think the former and latter will be hard to find and I don't think raul falls into either.
or rafa's plan could be purely cover for torres, in that case the striker would have be good enough to cover for torres if (rather when) torres gets injuried and at the same time not throw a strop for not playing week in week out.
I think the former and latter will be hard to find and I don't think raul falls into either.
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
I'd rather be butt-fucked by a 10-foot AIDS pike than sign Raul.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39578.msg1079822#msg1079822 date=1270115438]
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
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why is raul a cunt?
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
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why is raul a cunt?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079827#msg1079827 date=1270115880]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39578.msg1079822#msg1079822 date=1270115438]
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
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why is raul a cunt?
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If you need it explaining then I'm afraid you're out.
Oncy, put your hand up ffs!
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39578.msg1079822#msg1079822 date=1270115438]
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
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why is raul a cunt?
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If you need it explaining then I'm afraid you're out.
Oncy, put your hand up ffs!
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39578.msg1079828#msg1079828 date=1270116056]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079827#msg1079827 date=1270115880]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39578.msg1079822#msg1079822 date=1270115438]
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
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why is raul a cunt?
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If you need it explaining then I'm afraid you're out.
Oncy, put your hand up ffs!
[/quote]Sir yes sir! *puts up both hands enthusiastically*
it really would be an awful signing.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39578.msg1079827#msg1079827 date=1270115880]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39578.msg1079822#msg1079822 date=1270115438]
Let's cut to the chase here.
Hands up who thinks Raul is a fucking cunt.
*puts hand up*
[/quote]
why is raul a cunt?
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If you need it explaining then I'm afraid you're out.
Oncy, put your hand up ffs!
[/quote]Sir yes sir! *puts up both hands enthusiastically*
it really would be an awful signing.
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