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LFC SOLD to NESV.

Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41783.msg1192367#msg1192367 date=1286720879]
I think it was narrowed down to Singapore, although it still might turn out be invented. Who knows?
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Singapore based can mean anyone, from Indonesians, Thais, Malaysians, China Chinese, or any of the many many foreign (western) groups who have parked their funds in Singapore, which is emerging as Asia's top financial centre.
 
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Surely it can't be 'invented' or Broughton's credibilty will be severely dented.

Been scanning the local papers here. There're no news of any Singapore based consortium bidding for Liverpool.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1192272#msg1192272 date=1286701986]
Does anybody ever momentarily misread New England Sports Vultures?

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Not misread as such, but I did sort of have a flash from the future where we all called them that.
 
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[quote author=iseeredpeople link=topic=41783.msg1192379#msg1192379 date=1286727366]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1192272#msg1192272 date=1286701986]
Does anybody ever momentarily misread New England Sports Vultures?

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Not misread as such, but I did sort of have a flash from the future where we all called them that.
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Woohooo! Well I was first!
 
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SSN reporting Lord Grabiner being lined up to represent LFC in the High Court


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Lord Grabiner is a commercial lawyer with a substantial court and advisory practice. For over 40 years he has been involved in much of the highest profile commercial litigation that has been fought in London. Specialising in banking & finance, oil & gas, civil fraud, competition and company disputes, Lord Grabiner is highly experienced both as an advocate in the High Court and also an arbitrator in domestic and international arbitrations. He sits as a Deputy High Court Judge and is the Non-executive Chairman of Arcadia..

Lord Grabiner, "an incomparable lawyer of undeniable star presence." Chambers & Partners 2010

One of the most "startlingly talented" advocates at the Bar. "Clear and concise in his advice," Grabiner offers "invaluable insight into a case, as well as great tactical awareness and strong court performances." Chambers & Partners 2009

"One of the greats," Lord Grabiner Q.C. is hailed for his diverse skills in commercial disputes,"he can turn his hand to anything". 'He continues to make himself available at the drop of a hat and is "just the most well-rounded, unaffected human being - totally without airs and graces, he makes an emotional engagement with clients". Chambers & Partners 2008
 
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1192405#msg1192405 date=1286736967]
Most important signing in the last two years?
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Roy will play him outside the court room, and we'll probably lose.
 
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After reading a bit about him, he's one of the best. If anyone can win this case for us, it's him.
 
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[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=41783.msg1192408#msg1192408 date=1286737413]
Well he is more Gerrard than Poulsen in the legal stakes
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I fucking hope so otherwise he'll turn up about 2 days late.
 
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Actually hopefully he'll be more of a Nigel De Jong and go in 2-footed on G&H
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1192277#msg1192277 date=1286702581]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41783.msg1192255#msg1192255 date=1286699690]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1192240#msg1192240 date=1286695371]
That's their best argument though, they are all making the case in public in advance of the trial.

NESV say they won't buy the club if it is docked points.
The board says it will be docked points should the club go into administration.
Broughton says that no other purchasers are available, and certainly none willing to pay Hicks' valuation.

If that is all accepted as true, then it's reasonable to say that this was the best option for the club, which the board have an obligation to follow.

The only thing that disturbs me is the effort going into this whole PR push, as if everyone isn't quite as certain as they seem, though that's probably paranoia talking. It also seems irrelevant to the case in many respects. The primary question is whether the board was legally reconstituted or not. If the case is being made that the new board wouldn't be carrying out it's fiduciary duty, is that a tacit acceptance of weakness on the initial point regarding the illegality of the board's reconstitution?
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I think you're right about that.

I was a bit concerned with the validity of the appointments.

Still am actually.
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Well, you're the lawyer, Avvy, but how likely is it that Broughton and his lawyers would have taken the initative and launched this court action if they were in any real doubt on this point? Surely they must believe there's a cast iron case, based on H and G's written undertakings to RBS, against Hicks' attempt to reconstitute the board separately from Broughton.

Like Peter above, once the legality of the make-up of the board has been dealt with I doubt very much that Broughton's case concerns what the new board would or wouldn't have done. The merits of each course of action won't be affected by the question of who would undertake it.
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Well, I'm sure their lawers have advised them that it's a cast-iron case..but it's always impossible to tell how a court would view these things.

I think we definitely have the stronger legal ground though.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41783.msg1192396#msg1192396 date=1286733129]
"just the most well-rounded, unaffected human being - totally without airs and graces, he makes an emotional engagement with clients". Chambers & Partners 2008
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*swoons*
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41783.msg1192406#msg1192406 date=1286737052]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1192405#msg1192405 date=1286736967]
Most important signing in the last two years?
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Roy will play him outside the court room, and we'll probably lose.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha
 
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[quote author=737Max link=topic=41783.msg1192474#msg1192474 date=1286749368]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41783.msg1192406#msg1192406 date=1286737052]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1192405#msg1192405 date=1286736967]
Most important signing in the last two years?
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Roy will play him outside the court room, and we'll probably lose.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha
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He was great on the attack in the courtroom, until Rafa called him on the blower.
 
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Read an article about some legal genius judge stepping off the bench to represent us.

Broughton is leaving nothing to chance and pulling out all the stops.
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41783.msg1192507#msg1192507 date=1286777877]
Read an article about some legal genius judge stepping off the bench to represent us.

Broughton is leaving nothing to chance and pulling out all the stops.
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Its loud opposition. Hicks made a lot of noise when he lost Rangers in the court. Maybe he does as Hodgson and settle for a draw?
 
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Owen Gibson Guardian
“Sources close to the negotiations indicated that the position of John W Henry and the rest of the NESV board has hardened further since yesterday, when the Guardian revealed that they may walk away. The news will dismay Liverpool fans, who hoped the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett was nearing an end. RBS is seriously considering administration if a £237m loan to the club is not refinanced by Friday, after its legal advisers warned it could leave itself open to a challenge if it does not do so.â€

Paul Kelso Telegraph
“NESV’s change in position comes after the Premier League told the club board that a nine-point deduction was a “significant risk†even if the administration occurred at Liverpool’s holding company Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd.

“Royal Bank of Scotland, whose £237 million loans to Hicks and Gillett via Kop Holdings becomes due on Friday, has indicated that if the court rules against Broughton it might be forced put the company into administration to effect a change of control. NESV’s threat to walk away came as a surprise to RBS and the club board, and was interpreted by several sources close to the negotiations as a positioning exercise. It is also evidence of a marked deterioration in relations between John W Henry’s group, the club board and RBS.â€

However, there is a plan B…

Nick Harris The Independent

“But in all likelihood, the club won’t get anywhere close to administration. One reason is that Broughton has what are being described as “fallback†options (“a Plan B and Plan Câ€, says a source), which he believes can force through a sale to NESV without administration. The details of these are not known but would involve convoluted legal mechanisms, with Royal Bank of Scotland probably extending its nominal 15 October deadline while they were being played out. These would only come into play if Broughton loses.

“In any case, given that RBS would ultimately trigger administration, and that there is no logical benefit to RBS of Liverpool going into administration, it is hard to see that Liverpool will end up there.

“Why? Because, with Liverpool in administration, RBS would no longer be guaranteed to get all its money back; it would lose control of the situation. Theoretically, it could end up with 20p in the pound or similar.â€

This is one of the biggest weeks in the club’s history, and certainly, the biggest week in it’s future
 
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Broughton keeps 'Plan B' up sleeve to try to ensure Anfield sale goes ahead

By Nick Harris


Monday, 11 October 2010
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Liverpool's chairman Martin Broughton has an as yet undisclosed "Plan B" to ensure that the club's sale to New England Sports Ventures (NESV) goes through without Liverpool going into administration, and that is one reason for confidence that the club will avoid a nine-point penalty, a source close to the situation has told The Independent.


The development comes after Liverpool's managing director, Christian Purslow, said he was "not even contemplating administration and nobody should be" in an interview on Radio 5 Live yesterday. Purslow said he was "completely focused on the sale" to NESV, and even outlined how the new potential owners would consider a supporters' stake in the club, and how they remain open to building a new stadium.

Broughton agreed a £300m sale deal last week with NESV, which is headed by John W Henry and which owns the Boston Red Sox, only for the sale's legitimacy to be questioned by the club's incumbent owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett. Broughton argues that he is within his rights to sell Liverpool under conditions ultimately agreed by Hicks and Gillett, who counter that Broughton is wrong. A High Court hearing this week, probably as early as tomorrow, will decide which party is right.

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If Broughton's legal advice proves correct, the sale to NESV will go through quickly, pending what would be a swiftly handled appeal, and Hicks and Gillett will be left with losses of around £144m from their time at Anfield. If, however, Broughton fails in court, it has been suggested that administration is imminent for Liverpool, and that they would have nine points deducted by the Premier League. Briefings over the weekend from the NESV camp also suggested it would walk away from Liverpool if the club was hit with a nine-point penalty.

But in all likelihood, the club won't get anywhere close to administration. One reason is that Broughton has what are being described as "fallback" options ("a Plan B and Plan C", says a source), which he believes can force through a sale to NESV without administration. The details of these are not known but would involve convoluted legal mechanisms, with Royal Bank of Scotland probably extending its nominal 15 October deadline while they were being played out. These would only come into play if Broughton loses.

In any case, given that RBS would ultimately trigger administration, and that there is no logical benefit to RBS of Liverpool going into administration, it is hard to see that Liverpool will end up there.

Why? Because, with Liverpool in administration, RBS would no longer be guaranteed to get all its money back; it would lose control of the situation. Theoretically, it could end up with 20p in the pound or similar.

Also, the bank now knows administration will trigger a points penalty, and that a penalty will increase the chances of the club being relegated, and therefore slash the club's value, decreasing the chance of RBS getting its money back via a post-administration sale.

NESV's briefings insist a points penalty would result in the company walking away, although it is unclear whether this stance is a genuine one. A nine-point penalty would make Liverpool less attractive, but on the other hand it would drive the price down, setting up even more of a bargain for a potential buyer.

Purslow reiterated that he is not contemplating administration – he has not even discussed it as a possibility with NESV – and believes NESV's "winning mentality" will be good for the club.

"They're deadly serious about wanting to succeed," he said, adding NESV were "really serious about the importance of engaging with their fans... So I've asked them to consider a scheme at our club that will give our fans a real sense of ownership, a real sense of inclusion, the kind of voice, if you like, that frankly they deserve. And NESV have told us they'll look at this very seriously if they complete [the deal]."

Purslow added that Hicks and Gillett now have an "opportunity" to stop opposing the NESV deal. "That might enable them to leave with some dignity and some peace rather than precipitating a messy dispute," he said.

A quiet week ahead is not being anticipated.
 
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How do you insert a fricking image on here?? copy and paste dont work and all you get up is some img written twice in brackets.....
 
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it's the measure of how fucking USELESS roy hodgson is that there is a worry of relagation even WITH a 9 point deduction.
 
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If we get a 9 point deduction.

It's fair to say the best position we can hope for is around 10-12th.

It's also nailed on that Torres will leave for around 54m.
 
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it's a worry whether the NEVS are serious about walking away if we go in administration and lose 9 points or if it's just to bluff to show the court the board are acting the best interests of the club to sell at a rock bottom price.
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41783.msg1192537#msg1192537 date=1286789516]
If we get a 9 point deduction.

It's fair to say the best position we can hope for is around 10-12th.

It's also nailed on that Torres will leave for around 54m.



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Based on this seasons performance and injuries? 40m would be good
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1192538#msg1192538 date=1286789669]
it's a worry whether the NEVS are serious about walking away if we go in administration and lose 9 points or if it's just to bluff to show the court the board are acting the best interests of the club to sell at a rock bottom price.
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Think it's a bit of both.
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41783.msg1192539#msg1192539 date=1286789793]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41783.msg1192537#msg1192537 date=1286789516]
If we get a 9 point deduction.

It's fair to say the best position we can hope for is around 10-12th.

It's also nailed on that Torres will leave for around 54m.



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Based on this seasons performance and injuries? 40m would be good
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If we only get 40m for Torres, that will be the most shambolic bit of transfer business in history.

He has been poor, but form is temporary - class is permanent, right?
 
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