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LFC SOLD to NESV.

Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41783.msg1191339#msg1191339 date=1286492199]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41783.msg1191314#msg1191314 date=1286487856]
81. (a) Each director appointed to the office of chairman of the board of directors of the Company may appoint any person as director of the Company and may remove and director (other than George N. Gillett Jnr and/or Thomas O Hicks).
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Looking at only that, could it be argued H&G have a point?

There certainly is an element of ambiguity.
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Really?

All it says is that when a director is made chairman than he can hire and fire any director other than Gillett and Hicks. It's got to be in writing.

Need to know if there are any other clauses that allow Hicks and Gillett to act as a chairman and hire/fire any directors. If this is the only clause than Martin is the only person allowed to hire/fire Ayres and Purslow.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Would have to read the articles together with the bank documents (debenture probably).
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

There is a rumour on twitter from a couple of decent sources, that the reason H&G is going to court is to stop losing the 140 mill. And that they know that regarding the sale they're fucked.

Time will tell I guess.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

okay, kenwar is an arse but that made for very worrying reading. two worst cast senarios

a) G&H have refinace waiting in the wings and the only thing they need to push it through is approval to use anfield and security, they win the court case on the 13th replace the directors next day on the 14th and push the deal through one day before the club falls into administration.

b) G&H win the case but the club falls into adminstration, G&H could argue if they'd been allowed to change the board when they first applied (early this week) they would have had time to complete the refinace deal and thus the club wouldnt have fallen into administration.

some scary shit
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

They won't win in court though, that I'm certain of.

Who to trust Slaughter and May or Jaime Kanwar? Hmmm.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1191385#msg1191385 date=1286521031]
okay, kenwar is an arse but that made for very worrying reading. two worst cast senarios

a) G&H have refinace waiting in the wings and the only thing they need to push it through is approval to use anfield and security, they win the court case on the 13th replace the directors next day on the 14th and push the deal through one day before the club falls into administration.

b) G&H win the case but the club falls into adminstration, G&H could argue if they'd been allowed to change the board when they first applied (early this week) they would have had time to complete the refinace deal and thus the club wouldnt have fallen into administration.

some scary shit
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It was amateur law at its worst and if you scroll down to the comments you'll see that he was rightly put in his place by someone who knew what they were talking about.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41783.msg1191314#msg1191314 date=1286487856]
81. (a) Each director appointed to the office of chairman of the board of directors of the Company may appoint any person as director of the Company and may remove and director (other than George N. Gillett Jnr and/or Thomas O Hicks). Any appointment or removal shall be made in writing and signed by the then current chairman.
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Someone with a bit of knowledge about this, pointed out that it's art 48 that will come in use not 81. Don't know if he's right or not.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

While Slaughter and May have confirmed they will represent liverpool on the upcoming court case, The New York based Weil Gotsham and Manges has taken the unusual step to press release a statement that they are NOT going to represent Hicks and Gillett. After being overwhelmed by E-mails since unofficial reports had pointed them out as Hicks representative their London department made it clear that this was not going to happen. Furthermore they underlined that as consulents for the owners they had never worked against the principals of Liverpool FC and never would.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

'ken' (challenger to kenwar) points out the G&H 'can' put new board members forwards but the contract clearly state these changes have to be signed off by the chairman.

🙂
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
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that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his sun column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1191401#msg1191401 date=1286522950]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
[/quote]


that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his S** column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
[/quote]

Errrr, what the fuck are you talking about?

Its not as if theyve put any of their own money into the club, their only expense has been securing loans to bend the club over, and go back on commitments and agreements they had in place at the point of sale. How is that "not doing anything wrong"?
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191403#msg1191403 date=1286523239]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1191401#msg1191401 date=1286522950]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
[/quote]


that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his S** column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
[/quote]

Errrr, what the fuck are you talking about?

Its not as if theyve put any of their own money into the club, their only expense has been securing loans to bend the club over, and go back on commitments and agreements they had in place at the point of sale. How is that "not doing anything wrong"?
[/quote]


i'm sure that's what harry said...let me check.


er, yes, that's what he said. rafa benitez wasted their golden investment.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191403#msg1191403 date=1286523239]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1191401#msg1191401 date=1286522950]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
[/quote]


that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his S** column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
[/quote]

Errrr, what the fuck are you talking about?

Its not as if theyve put any of their own money into the club, their only expense has been securing loans to bend the club over, and go back on commitments and agreements they had in place at the point of sale. How is that "not doing anything wrong"?
[/quote]

I think you missed that one...
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=SaRed link=topic=41783.msg1191407#msg1191407 date=1286523602]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191403#msg1191403 date=1286523239]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1191401#msg1191401 date=1286522950]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
[/quote]


that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his S** column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
[/quote]

Errrr, what the fuck are you talking about?

Its not as if theyve put any of their own money into the club, their only expense has been securing loans to bend the club over, and go back on commitments and agreements they had in place at the point of sale. How is that "not doing anything wrong"?
[/quote]

I think you missed that one...
[/quote]

I havent missed anything - Redknapp is a fucking prick, and hasnt got a fucking clue what he is talking about, the dodgy cockney shitbag.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=Asim link=topic=41783.msg1191341#msg1191341 date=1286492443]
G&h would have known long ago that all three members of the board would vote against them and they chose not to take action months ago to get rid of ayers n purslow I figure if it was easy for them to do they might have done so a while ago.
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I agree mate.

You would of thought that if they could, they would of done so when the board stopped them putting the debt against the club.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191408#msg1191408 date=1286523975]
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=41783.msg1191407#msg1191407 date=1286523602]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191403#msg1191403 date=1286523239]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1191401#msg1191401 date=1286522950]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
[/quote]


that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his S** column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
[/quote]

Errrr, what the fuck are you talking about?

Its not as if theyve put any of their own money into the club, their only expense has been securing loans to bend the club over, and go back on commitments and agreements they had in place at the point of sale. How is that "not doing anything wrong"?
[/quote]

I think you missed that one...
[/quote]

I havent missed anything - Redknapp is a fucking prick, and hasnt got a fucking clue what he is talking about, the dodgy cockney shitbag.
[/quote]

I don't think Peter was being serious - using Redknapp's opinion expressed in the s** to side with G&H?
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=SaRed link=topic=41783.msg1191410#msg1191410 date=1286524216]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191408#msg1191408 date=1286523975]
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=41783.msg1191407#msg1191407 date=1286523602]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191403#msg1191403 date=1286523239]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1191401#msg1191401 date=1286522950]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41783.msg1191370#msg1191370 date=1286510441]
So the plan must be, stop the sale and pay off the debt?

This would mean they already have the money to cover RBS calling in the debt...Then sell the club for the money they expect for it?

If they dont have the money, why would they fight it? What kind of massive cunt of a company would loan these proven liars the money anyway?

I really hope that they fail...and both end up broke. And addicted to crack.

Nobody is going to put a penny into the club if they dont go, right? I want to see picket lines and an empty stadium every week til the day they go.
[/quote]


that seems a bit harsh mate. as harry redknapp said in his S** column, they've done nothing but throw money at the club and it's hard to see what they've done wrong, and now they actually stand to lose money - you've got to feel a bit sorry for them really.
[/quote]

Errrr, what the fuck are you talking about?

Its not as if theyve put any of their own money into the club, their only expense has been securing loans to bend the club over, and go back on commitments and agreements they had in place at the point of sale. How is that "not doing anything wrong"?
[/quote]

I think you missed that one...
[/quote]

I havent missed anything - Redknapp is a fucking prick, and hasnt got a fucking clue what he is talking about, the dodgy cockney shitbag.
[/quote]

I don't think Peter was being serious - using Redknapp's opinion expressed in the s** to side with G&H?
[/quote]

Okaaaaaay, keep processing SaRed..........he posted Redknapps comments in the first person........and I responded to Redknapps comments in the first person.......so I was responding to the comments mad in the S** by Redknapp via Peterhague. Phew. All sorted, eh.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

I can't possibly see this going anyother way then enforced sale to nesv.

Broughton isn't just any member - he's the banks, the yanks didn't just invite him in, he got placed there with the sole intention of getting the club off rbs' books.

Either it'll go through or we'll go into a state of administration limbo for 48 hours before the bank sell us
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

I assume the case will be closed in our favour the minute the Texan is giving the british high court a lesson on how they should see things "over here"!!
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Turns out that for all the bluster, we could still get docked 9 points if Kopholdings goes into administration....
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

Wow, scm has become the university of law and finance over the sale/refinancing of LFC.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191417#msg1191417 date=1286525462]
Turns out that for all the bluster, we could still get docked 9 points if Kopholdings goes into administration....
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We will drag them to court over the 9 points 😉
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

[quote author=grjt link=topic=41783.msg1191417#msg1191417 date=1286525462]
Turns out that for all the bluster, we could still get docked 9 points if Kopholdings goes into administration....
[/quote]

Where did you see that mate ?

I read completely differently yesterday:

. If they do fail, what happens next?
A. RBS will call in their loans, Hicks and Gillett will be unable to pay, the club ownership will transfer briefly to RBS, Liverpool could enter technical administration and RBS will seek a buyer (knowing there is one in place in the form of NESV).
Q. Will Liverpool be docked nine points by the Premier League for entering administration?
A. No, because they'll only be in administration for technical reasons and in all likelihood, NESV will buy the club within a day or two from RBS. The Premier League has already said there would be no nine-point penalty in those circumstances.

(From The Independent)
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/lawyers-predict-court-defeat-over-liverpool-for-hicks-and-gillett-2100899.html




British lawyers believe that Liverpool's American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett face a supremely difficult task convincing a High Court judge that the sale of the club to New England Sports Ventures (NESV) is illegal, a move which they will attempt in order to prolong their unpopular tenure on Merseyside.

It is much needed good news for a club that continues to face huge on-field challenges. Fernando Torres is understood to be harbouring doubts about where his future lies, even though he appeared yesterday to be winning his battle to shake off the adductor muscle injury he sustained in the home defeat to Blackpool and should be fit for the crucial Goodison derby on Sunday week.

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Lawyers for the English contingent of the Liverpool board, who are awaiting the 24-hour notice they will receive of the High Court hearing which will rule on the legality of the club's sale to NESV, do seem to have a strong case. Legal opinion on the sale – which Hicks and Gillett insist has been rendered invalid because they had suspended two of the directors who voted in the 3-2 decision – is that the Americans have handed non-executive chairman Martin Broughton a huge court-room asset by signing off to him the right to hire and fire directors.

"If that undertaking is in place, signed and sealed, [he] has a very solid case to seek a declaration that the board are entitled to sell the club," Andrew Nixon, a partner for Thomas Eggar, said yesterday. "If they have broken an undertaking that is a factual issue."

The articles of association, in which Broughton's right to hire and fire directors and the current owners' undertaking not to take any action to frustrate a sale are enshrined, are critical to the case, Mr Nixon added. "If they show that [Broughton] has powers of process in both the sale and appointment of directors, it is going to be very, very hard for Hicks and Gillett to get around that."

Asked by The Independent 48 hours ago whether the undertakings were indeed signed and sealed by Hicks and Gillett, Broughton replied: "They signed them and made them to RBS [Royal Bank of Scotland] as a condition of the lending extension [which gave Hicks and Gillett an additional six months' leeway on their £237m loans]." Broughton added that the undertakings "changed the articles [of] the company." Puzzlingly, there is no mention of these vital changes in the articles of association for Kop Football, the holding company which approved the NESV sale, though it is quite possible that they have been signed off through additional papers.

Further details have emerged about how NESC beat off a rival bid from Asia on Tuesday. NESC, owners of the Boston Red Sox, increased the cash element of their £300m bid to £240m when both interested parties had tabled the same offer for Liverpool.

Hicks and Gillett's case will centre on whether the £300m sale to NESV, who are today expected to be cleared by the Premier League as fit and proper owners, represents an undervaluation of the club. Under the 2007 Companies Act, it is the fiduciary duty of any director to secure the best value for a company. "If they can give proper evidence that the £600m price they are talking about is realistic, they have a case," Mr Nixon added. "If they can't prove there could be a better sale, they are going to have a very, very difficult job."

Broughton has not ruled out the pair being able to demonstrate that someone, somewhere values the club at £600m. "I never like to put anything beyond them," he said on Tuesday. But Liverpool would be staggered if, after a year-long search for buyers ultimately tempted only two takers, Hicks and Gillett manage to demonstrate that there are others out there ready to pay twice as much.

If the legal undertakings cannot be proven – and as yet no written evidence of them has been seen by this newspaper – then the High Court judge's decision will revolve around the more subjective decision of what constitutes work to "promote the success of a company." Here, the owners may also have problems.

Bernd Ratzke, head of corporate law at Dawsons, said: "It seems unlikely that the courts will halt the board's plans. Under the Companies Act 2006, Hicks and Gillett would have to demonstrate that the directors are not acting to 'promote the success of the company' and, given that the club is facing administration within a matter of days, that will be a difficult argument to make."

Even if Hicks and Gillett do win, it seems they would secure only a brief reprieve since RBS is likely to call in its £237m loans if it is not paid by the due date of next Friday. If they have a white knight, he has a week to ride to the rescue.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

The "Grauniad" said the same. It also said most lawyers think Hicks is on a loser.
 
Re: LFC Sold to NESV (New England Sports Ventures)

9 points deduction or not, I would rather support Liverpool in The Championship than suffer Tom Hicks any longer. At least I'd still watch the team I love. Can't say I will if Hicks sticks around.
 
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