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LFC Loan Watch - 2022/23

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Maybe. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, because you can infer with like 95% certainty just from how a player is rated by the club.

If he's 18 and not even going on the preseason tour then the reality is he has virtually no chance of making it.

Couldn't agree more, you have to be something very special to make it, even if you take our last 5-6 pre-seasons...have any teenagers made the cut? Only Jones?.

Don't think I even recall Trent on pre-season during his breakthrough, I think he came straight from the youth into the first team set up because he had that quality at the club no one else possessed.
 
Maybe. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, because you can infer with like 95% certainty just from how a player is rated by the club.

If he's 18 and not even going on the preseason tour then the reality is he has virtually no chance of making it.

Throw in the fact that he's at a League 2 club and... a lower league career (at least in the short-medium term) beckons.
 
Couldn't agree more, you have to be something very special to make it, even if you take our last 5-6 pre-seasons...have any teenagers made the cut? Only Jones?.

Don't think I even recall Trent on pre-season during his breakthrough, I think he came straight from the youth into the first team set up because he had that quality at the club no one else possessed.

Trent played preseason at 16 in 2015, if I remember correctly.

I'm guessing he did the following year too, under Klopp, but I don't remember that for some reason. Then it was towards the end of that season that he came in to the first team.
 
[article]Kevin Betsy admits Crawley had “no right” to sign a player of James Balagizi’s quality after the Liverpool loanee helped humiliate Premier League Fulham in the Carabao Cup.

Reds boss Betsy convinced 18-year-old Balagizi to swap Anfield for a season in Sky Bet League Two having worked with him at youth level with England.

The talented midfielder shone in Tuesday evening’s 2-0 second-round victory over the Cottagers, claiming his side’s second goal and causing constant problems for Marco Silva’s embarrassed visitors.

“I’ve known James a long time, I worked with him with England when he was 15, so I know the family,” said Betsy, who coached England at Under-15, 16, 17 and 18 level.

“These are the things when your connections are able to bring a player like him to the football club. We had no right really to be signing a player of his quality.

“But the relationship that we have and the trust Liverpool have in us as coaches to give their players to us and allow them to flourish and progress speaks volumes for what we know we can do with young players.

“James, hopefully he’s going to have a fantastic career going forward, and this is the early steps of understanding men’s football and he’s doing a really good job.”

England Under-19 international Balagizi now has three goals for the season after adding to captain Tom Nichols’ opener on a memorable night at Broadfield Stadium.

Victory over the Cottagers was Crawley’s third Premier League scalp in four seasons following cup victories over Norwich and Leeds and provides a much-needed boost after a winless start to their league campaign.

The stunning cup upset, over a club ranked 84 places higher in the football pyramid, also had additional significance for Betsy.

He began his professional playing days at Craven Cottage before returning to launch his coaching career with the west London club’s youth sides.

“Fulham has been an amazing club to me,” said the 44-year-old, who managed Arsenal Under-23s last term following his various England roles.

“They’ve helped me so much in my career. They gave me my first chance in professional football as a young kid. I was playing for Woking part-time and Fulham signed me as a pro.

“I had an amazing three years there, getting promoted a couple of times. I owe them so much.

“To go back as a coach and to give back to the club was amazing. They’ve helped me in my coaching journey. Without them I wouldn’t be standing here talking to you.”[/article]
 
[article]Tyler Morton revealed he has played in central defence before – but not just since the age of six!

Morton is hoping his performance in the Carabao Cup win over Bradford City is enough to earn him a first Championship start for Rovers when Stoke City visit Ewood Park on Saturday.


There Rovers will be aiming to make it three successive home wins in the league having suffered back-to-back 3-0 defeats on their travels against Reading and Sheffield United before their success in the league cup.

Jon Dahl Tomasson revealed Morton’s inclusion at centre half was merely a case of needs must, with Daniel Ayala given the night off and Ash Phillips on the bench.

Hayden Carter faces an outside chance of featuring this weekend after four weeks out with a hamstring injury, though the weekend will come too soon for Scott Wharton.

Rovers are holding out for Morton's Liverpool team-mate Sepp van den Berg in their bid to strengthen in central half, with the former seen as a central midfield option by Tomasson who was impressed with what he saw from his team.

Asked if he had played in central defence before, Morton said: “I was speaking to my dad ahead of the game, it was ages ago, maybe when I six, seven, but since then I haven’t really played there.

“I found it good, I enjoyed it and it was a good challenge for me.

“I’m willing to do whatever the gaffer wants me to or the staff want me to do, and if it means playing centre half and getting the win, then I’d be happy.

“I was happy with how I played and I’d do it again for him. I’d do anything for him and Blackburn because this is where I am and the club I’m playing at.

“As many experiences as I can get, wherever I’m playing, I’ll take it in my stride and see where it takes me.”

The 19-year-old was one of three teenagers in a starting line-up with an average age of 21.7, captained by Bradley Dack.

Louie Annesley was handed his debut alongside Morton as Tomasson made 10 changes for the league cup.

Morton cruised the game, completing the most passes (67) of anyone on the pitch as Rovers dominated for the large majority, despite having to come from behind after trailing to Andy Cook’s 18th minute goal.

Injuries and a failure to yet add in central defence meant Morton was thrust into the role, but he coped admirably, while his ability on the ball allowed Rovers to build from the back.

“I didn't have any choice,” Tomasson said of using Morton in central defence.

“I always say good footballer players can play anywhere.

“I told him on Monday and he was up for the challenges, good players can play anywhere. Cruyff always said put the best 11 players on the pitch and it doesn't matter where they play.”

Morton has now started both of Rovers’ league cup ties and been used off the bench in the four Championship matches in which he has been involved.

A starting spot against Stoke City is now his aim and something he feels ready for after a period of integration.

He said: “I think I’m definitely ready.

“It’s been nice to have been integrated with minutes here and there but I’m definitely ready whenever the gaffer puts me in I’ll be ready to start.

“We haven’t been playing how we expect and we know that.

“We’ve been working on that but the lads were resilient and I knew that we would bounce back.”

Rovers negotiated what could have been a tricky tie against League Two side Bradford to make it into round three for the first time in four years.

They also overcame a League Two side in round one seeing off Hartlepool United, the only Championship team to beat lower league opposition in the first round.

Indeed, they are, along with Burnley, one of only two Championship teams guaranteed their spot in the round three draw, though Bristol City will be aiming to join them tonight.

Given the number of Championship teams that have suffered at the hands of lower league opposition Morton said the players’ application and attitude was key to ensuring their progress.

“I think everyone’s attitude was spot on. You could see that in the press and how we helped each other, it was second to none.

“We’re really happy with how it went.

“These are opportunities and you have to work hard for them whenever they are.

“I think everyone out there has worked hard and played well.

“We stuck together, played well and got the win so really happy.”

Rovers started the game on the front foot but fell behind to Bradford’s first attack.

But Rovers’ inexperienced pair of Morton and Annesley restricted the hosts’ chances, helped by the possession that Tomasson’s side enjoyed.

“We started really well, but it’s a new team, getting to know each other a little bit,” Morton added.

“Off the ball it was tough, a big lad up top against two centre halves, well I’m a centre mid and Louie hadn’t played before, but I thought we reacted really well (to going behind).

“Louie is a great lad and to play his first senior game but to also help me in my first senior game at centre half, I thought he did really well and his block at the end showed the quality of his performance.”[/article]
 
Balagizi is the 1 player I'm excited about and was surprised he didn't come on tour with us.

Then again he could end up being the next Ovie Ejaria.

I know he's a different type of player but is Bacjetic/Morton higher rated amongst the group?
I think you've answered your own question there. In the youth sides we often see highly rated strikers who score loads of goals but can't make the step up. This is just the next rung on the ladder for Balagizi so we'll see how he gets on there over a whole season.
 
3 clean sheets in 4 league matches. Top of the league with 2 pts lead having played 1 game lesser.

 
In for relegation fight - they lost their previous match 1-6 at home to Union Berlin. Looks like he will be playing CB there though.

 
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Failed to earn any mins so far in Portugal. Was a weird move in the first place.

 
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Clarkson does seem to have started extremely well in Scotland - maybe there’s hope for him yet.
 
What is the Scot Prem equivalent to, League 1?
I don't think we can just judge base on league strength. There are plenty more factors to consider for player development. VvD played 2+seasons there.

Anyway, even if he can't make the grade here, at least he will be able to move to a more challenging league in his next loan and/or command a much higher fee. Pity about the wasted time last season at Blackburn.
 
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Nice to see our unofficial "partnership" with Bolton growing. Let's see if Beck can adapt as quickly as Bradley.

 
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20 years old and going to a semi-professional Welsh team on loan?

I wonder why you'd offer an extension in that situation.
 
20 years old and going to a semi-professional Welsh team on loan?

I wonder why you'd offer an extension in that situation.

Kinda envious when I see clubs selling young players who can't make the grade, for good money, while some/most of ours fail to land a good loan move. 😳


 
[article]Schalke sporting director Rouven Schroder has defended Sepp van den Berg after his ill-fated debut for the club.

The Liverpool loanee made a mistake to allow Stuttgart to score in the 1-1 draw at Mercedes-Benz Arena.


Speaking to Sky Deutschland, Schroder said: "What matters is what he learns from it. After the game he was incredibly pissed off. That didn't surprise me, because it was clear from the interviews how ambitious he is.

"He's a Under-21 international in the Netherlands, trained with the stars at Liverpool and started over 30 games at Preston North End in England's second division. I was - albeit not successful - central defender too.

"If you make a mistake there, it has a high consequence. We have to stop saying after a game: he's not suitable for the Bundesliga."[/article]
 
[article]Schalke sporting director Rouven Schroder has defended Sepp van den Berg after his ill-fated debut for the club.

The Liverpool loanee made a mistake to allow Stuttgart to score in the 1-1 draw at Mercedes-Benz Arena.


Speaking to Sky Deutschland, Schroder said: "What matters is what he learns from it. After the game he was incredibly pissed off. That didn't surprise me, because it was clear from the interviews how ambitious he is.

"He's a Under-21 international in the Netherlands, trained with the stars at Liverpool and started over 30 games at Preston North End in England's second division. I was - albeit not successful - central defender too.

"If you make a mistake there, it has a high consequence. We have to stop saying after a game: he's not suitable for the Bundesliga."[/article]

Glad to see an improvement in his 2nd start/game for Schalke.

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