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Left Back, Winger, Striker

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43555.msg1249839#msg1249839 date=1294778511]
We desperately need a powerful midfielder who can tackle and can protect the defence
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I know we need one, but arent we talking which is the highest priority here? We depserately desperately need a LB, otherwise that midfielder will be protecting a gaping chasm down the left flank when Aurelio inevitably crocks himself.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=43555.msg1249838#msg1249838 date=1294778461]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=43555.msg1249796#msg1249796 date=1294774116]
I'm going for a Ligue 1 theme (on the basis that most targets there are achievable given the Prem is undoubtedly a bigger pull) - raid Lyon for Cissokho and Bastos, Bordeaux for Gignac
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Gignac?! You really rate him?
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Not top draw (therefore we actually stand a chance of getting him), but is a useful allrounder: has goals in him and has good technical ability - most importantly could both compliment Torres if played with him, or can stand in for him as a lone front man if required.

*remembered he is at Marseille rather than Bordeaux
 
Marseille paid big money for him - too much, imo, for a striker whose goalscoring record (and overall style of play) is Heskey-esque. He hasn't played for them this season when I've watched them, but his record so far is 1 goal in 9 games. He'd be very low down on my list. In fact, I'd rather have his former Toulouse partner, Elmander, on a free than pay €20m for Gignac.

Cissokho is solid. Bastos is class. United are linked with Bastos today though, presumably as a replacement for Evra if he leaves.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=43555.msg1249847#msg1249847 date=1294779122]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43555.msg1249839#msg1249839 date=1294778511]
We desperately need a powerful midfielder who can tackle and can protect the defence
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I know we need one, but arent we talking which is the highest priority here? We depserately desperately need a LB, otherwise that midfielder will be protecting a gaping chasm down the left flank when Aurelio inevitably crocks himself.
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I disagree, Aurelio is doing well and Kelly is apparently well qualified to play there if needed. Our highest priorities imo should be DM(no more Lucas there please), CB(preferably a big one to partner Agger), winger(we have 0 good ones) or two and a striker. Of course if a good left back at correct price becomes available we should sign him but it's not a top priority for me.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=43555.msg1249833#msg1249833 date=1294778171]
A DM is a far greater priority than LB at any rate. About as equally important as getting a striker. Followed by a left winger, a centre back, and THEN a left back.

Only my opinion, of course.
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It's definitely a valid one; but grjt is right.
Aureliio is a decent LB,but he IS goingto get crocked soon which leaves us Konchesky and Insua (and in a pinch Agger and Kelly, neither of whom are true fullbacks)

Whilst Lucas is a shit midfielder; he could be used in a more defensive position whilst Gerrard and Meireles areplayed further forward. Shelvery is also going to play in the first team more often.

Whilst there's not too much to choose between the two, I think LB is still more messed up.

And we say that every fucking year.
 
DM is a far more important position on the pitch though. And we need one because our two DMs are both cabbages and I want them both fucked out of Anfield asap. The only other options in midfield are Meireles, Shelvey, and Gerrard. Shelvey's only 18 and Gerrard's better used in an advanced position. Hence my concern.

I agree that a striker is equally important as Torres is injury-prone and N'gog is rubbish.

Left-back is of course a concern. But I think with Aurelio, Kelly, and Konchesky, we can ride out for another 6 months. I'd even prioritise a centre-back before a left-back as we've been out of sorts at the back for two seasons now.

It's a point I've made before. A good manager needs to sort out the spine of the team first and foremost. Houllier did it by brining in Hyypia, Henchoz, and Hamann. Rafa did it by converting Carra into a permanent centre-back and signing Alonso. I hope Kenny follows suit.

My order of priority would therefore be:

1. DM and striker (equally important)
2. CB and winger (equally important)
3. LB
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=43555.msg1250065#msg1250065 date=1294820427]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=43555.msg1249833#msg1249833 date=1294778171]
A DM is a far greater priority than LB at any rate. About as equally important as getting a striker. Followed by a left winger, a centre back, and THEN a left back.

Only my opinion, of course.
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It's definitely a valid one; but grjt is right.
Aureliio is a decent LB,but he IS goingto get crocked soon which leaves us Konchesky and Insua (and in a pinch Agger and Kelly, neither of whom are true fullbacks)

Whilst Lucas is a shit midfielder; he could be used in a more defensive position whilst Gerrard and Meireles areplayed further forward. Shelvery is also going to play in the first team more often.

Whilst there's not too much to choose between the two, I think LB is still more messed up.

And we say that every fucking year.
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I'm repeating myself but I disagree. We are ok(ish) at LB while there are positions in the team we have 0 good players for.

Also I'm of the opinion when a team is rebuilding like we are now the first priority should be to sort out the spine of the team ie. GK-CB-CM. It makes it so much easier for the rest of the team and especially any new players if it's working as should be. Just look at Chelsea when they've had injuries in CB and CM, they've been a mess even though they have quality players everywhere in that team.
 
I'm not so bothered about the order in which we address the weakness. I think we should all be happy, as long as we start addressing our weak areas one after the other and finish the process before the start of the next season.

We need a
LB
DM
Striker/CF
2 Wingers

I would also add improving on our CB stock, but for me that's the least important one as we already have competent ones, and i wouldn't be so devastated if we are to go another season with Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Kelly, Wilson and Kyrgiakos. Kyrgiakos and Skrtel can have one too many dodgy moments, but they are still reliable on most occasions. Kelly and Wislon are fantastic prospects, and as is Ayala to be honest. So it's not so bad...
 
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43555.msg1250057#msg1250057 date=1294819552]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=43555.msg1249847#msg1249847 date=1294779122]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43555.msg1249839#msg1249839 date=1294778511]
We desperately need a powerful midfielder who can tackle and can protect the defence
[/quote]

I know we need one, but arent we talking which is the highest priority here? We depserately desperately need a LB, otherwise that midfielder will be protecting a gaping chasm down the left flank when Aurelio inevitably crocks himself.
[/quote]

I disagree, Aurelio is doing well and Kelly is apparently well qualified to play there if needed. Our highest priorities imo should be DM(no more Lucas there please), CB(preferably a big one to partner Agger), winger(we have 0 good ones) or two and a striker. Of course if a good left back at correct price becomes available we should sign him but it's not a top priority for me.
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Kelly isn't well qualified to play there. Well qualified would be if he'd played there for the first team on a number of occasions with success. Aurelio is a good player but we all know how brittle he is and when he isn't available I'd be set against having to play a right footer over there. We need balance and we've got too many holes and misfits in the side as it is. We need to flog Konchesky and we need to buy a left back. I don't think it's THE priority but it's got to be up there. We need a striker first and foremost though.
 
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43555.msg1250076#msg1250076 date=1294821387]

I'm repeating myself but I disagree. We are ok(ish) at LB while there are positions in the team we have 0 good players for.

Also I'm of the opinion when a team is rebuilding like we are now the first priority should be to sort out the spine of the team ie. GK-CB-CM. It makes it so much easier for the rest of the team and especially any new players if it's working as should be. Just look at Chelsea when they've had injuries in CB and CM, they've been a mess even though they have quality players everywhere in that team.
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Explain this a bit more...

Aurelio and Konch are our LBs. Konchesky is hopeless. He is worse than Lucas is as a DM. Aurelio is more injury prone than Agger. Although Agger tries hard to match Aurelio in that stake, he still has light years to go before he can reach Aurelio's sicknote levels.

Yet you are willing to consider those two as OKish. By that definition we are OKish on all positions, and most of all our Center-backs (starting and bench strength.)
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43555.msg1250086#msg1250086 date=1294821752]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43555.msg1250057#msg1250057 date=1294819552]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=43555.msg1249847#msg1249847 date=1294779122]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43555.msg1249839#msg1249839 date=1294778511]
We desperately need a powerful midfielder who can tackle and can protect the defence
[/quote]

I know we need one, but arent we talking which is the highest priority here? We depserately desperately need a LB, otherwise that midfielder will be protecting a gaping chasm down the left flank when Aurelio inevitably crocks himself.
[/quote]

I disagree, Aurelio is doing well and Kelly is apparently well qualified to play there if needed. Our highest priorities imo should be DM(no more Lucas there please), CB(preferably a big one to partner Agger), winger(we have 0 good ones) or two and a striker. Of course if a good left back at correct price becomes available we should sign him but it's not a top priority for me.
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Kelly isn't well qualified to play there. Well qualified would be if he'd played there for the first team on a number of occasions with success. Aurelio is a good player but we all know how brittle he is and when he isn't available I'd be set against having to play a right footer over there. We need balance and we've got too many holes and misfits in the side as it is. We need to flog Konchesky and we need to buy a left back. I don't think it's THE priority but it's got to be up there. We need a striker first and foremost though.
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I think someone mentioned Kelly playing a whole season on loan at LB with great reviews so I'd have no problems playing him there. We need balance that's correct but again imo the best way to balance the team is to sort our CB and DM.

I'm not at all against buying a left back though and it needs to be done before next season anyway. Them usually being a lot cheaper than top DM's or CB's might make it more feasible to sort it out now too.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=43555.msg1250089#msg1250089 date=1294822079]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43555.msg1250076#msg1250076 date=1294821387]

I'm repeating myself but I disagree. We are ok(ish) at LB while there are positions in the team we have 0 good players for.

Also I'm of the opinion when a team is rebuilding like we are now the first priority should be to sort out the spine of the team ie. GK-CB-CM. It makes it so much easier for the rest of the team and especially any new players if it's working as should be. Just look at Chelsea when they've had injuries in CB and CM, they've been a mess even though they have quality players everywhere in that team.
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Explain this a bit more...

Aurelio and Konch are our LBs. Konchesky is hopeless. He is worse than Lucas is as a DM. Aurelio is more injury prone than Agger. Although Agger tries hard to match Aurelio in that stake, he still has light years to go before he can reach Aurelio's sicknote levels.

Yet you are willing to consider those two as OKish. By that definition we are OKish on all positions, and most of all our Center-backs (starting and bench strength.)
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I think I've explained my reasons in my earlier posts but in a nutshell Aurelio, Kelly, Konchesky is okish for 6 months. Also there are more important positions in the team that should always be sorted out first even if they are relatively slightly better off at the moment.
 
Kelly can do an excellent job at LB should Aurelio crock again and even young Robinson would deserve a chance there - so we've enough cover until the summer if need be. The worst case scenario is Konchesky and even though he's not good enough for a club with our ambitions, he's a solid enough premiership journeyman to see us through a couple of months if need be. That said, should someone like Coentrao be available now, he'd be a major upgrade on anyone we've got at fullback and sort the position for years.

On the other hand, we are sorely lacking a top-class powerful defensive midfielder (we simply don't have one) and it'd benefit the whole shape of the side if we were to buy one. There are plenty of young players in that mould available too at around 10-15m.
 
No one seems to mention Defour anymore. Has he moved somewhere else or signed a new contract or something?
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=43555.msg1250103#msg1250103 date=1294823589]
No one seems to mention Defour anymore. Has he moved somewhere else or signed a new contract or something?
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Injured or coming back from injury i think
 
Insua has just left Galatasaray...

Edit: Oh wait, have that wrong, he just played his last game in their stadium, but I think it's because they have a new one...
 
He will leave anyway i think. It was mentioned that they wanted to terminate all loan deals.


How much would we have to pay to price Subotic away from Dortmund? I'd replace Skrtel or Agger with Subotic in a heart beat.
 
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43555.msg1250383#msg1250383 date=1294840105]
Insua back wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.. Although maybe that's because my memories of him are fading.
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You smoke too much cannabis, clearly.
 
Delinquent, JimmyK could just be losing his memory or smoking way too much of the herb.

I wants us shot of Insua, Konchesky and Poulsen asap. I'd rather use Kelly or even Mavinga at LB.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=43555.msg1250397#msg1250397 date=1294841819]
Any progress reports Gerry?
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I think he just went the other day
 
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