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I had an argument with a fellow red last night who maintains that Insua is a better fullback, help me out here. I don't think Konch is that bad a player, he's technically quite sound, good passing range, not a brilliant defender but holds his position well. He's ok, a steady Eddie. Hopefully he'll be something like Finnan, on the left.
 
Better defender tahn Insua, which isn't hard. Holds his position better, but could deliver a better final ball.
 
I'm open-minded about Konchesky. He's alright I guess I think he'll improve as his understanding of those around him grows, but defensively he's still very questionable. After his horrific performance against Nani I fear for him the next time he comes up against a winger with real pace.
 
He's not better than Insua, no fucking way.

Insua was 21, had played 50 odd games in his first year, and was technically sound.

We replaced him with a 29 year old, who's fucking ordinary. A shitty makewieght that should never be playing for a Top 4 club.

And we had to pay 5M for that too.
 
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He's not better than Insua, no fucking way.

Insua was 21, had played 50 odd games in his first year, and was technically sound.

We replaced him with a 29 year old, who's fucking ordinary. A shitty makewieght that should never be playing for a Top 4 club.

And we had to pay 5M for that too.
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Ryan, I really liked Insua as a 'player' because I thought he had alot to offer technically, but defensively he was all over the place, his positioning was terrible and his defensive play was more than questionable. Regards Konchesky, he's ok and relatively cheap and experienced in the EPL. I don't think he's that bad.
 
I dont think either are very good. The ginger lad we had was better than both.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42517.msg1209184#msg1209184 date=1288578068]
He's not better than Insua, no fucking way.

Insua was 21, had played 50 odd games in his first year, and was technically sound.

We replaced him with a 29 year old, who's fucking ordinary. A shitty makewieght that should never be playing for a Top 4 club.

And we had to pay 5M for that too.
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Ryan, I really liked Insua as a 'player' because I thought he had alot to offer technically, but defensively he was all over the place, his positioning was terrible and his defensive play was more than questionable. Regards Konchesky, he's ok and relatively cheap and experienced in the EPL. I don't think he's that bad.
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There is fuck all between the two of them mate. Insua had upside - age, experience, etc. And was really unfairly maligned for being thrown in at the deep end.

I'm all for paying 5M to replace him if you're getting someone good. But we didn't, we got a middle of the road 29 year old left back. Who gives the ball away non stop.
 
I'm not enamoured with Konchesky. He's a little less shit than Insua, but still quite shit. Comparing him to Finnan is a bit of an insult to Finnan IMO. He was pretty ace.
 
fulham got a better deal when they signed salcido.

By the way, it's like comparing Lucas with Poulsen again.
 
Konchesky didn't light up the place. He had a poor start and played worse than Insua at first. He has shown that he is a better player although in the bigger scheme of things that means nothing because Insua was rubbish!
 
He's slightly better than Insua who was a total liability defending. Thus far he's offered nothing going forward. Insua had a better cross (Mark, Finnan? Finnan!? He had a peach of a cross, he didn't rotate like a gun turret around the ball then welly it indiscriminately.

We are about where we were last season without Riera. There's not much play down the left flank, it's mostly all coming down the right.
 
I thought he put in some good crosses today.

He's much better than Insua who simply had nothing going for him at all.

He's not a world beater but solid and right now we need solid.
 
He's pretty poor. Yes he maybe a improvement on Insua (debatable), but he's never been a Liverpool player. I couldn't believe it when he signed. I'd have fabio ahead of him anyday, but that ain't going to happen, as he's always on the treatment table. I guess these are the types of mediocre players 'hazard' is going to attract and want to bring in to Liverpool. Depressing!
 
Didn't want to sign him, but having been done, I hoped he would at least be a sound steady Eddy. He has in fact been much shittier than that, and was a horrible liability in the 1st half yesterday.
 
He'll never be another Finnan, but one has to hope that he can do a better job than Insua managed last season, because he was one of the worst left-backs in the Premiership
 
I'd like to know what Insua's upside was. Top premiership left back ? All England Pie Eating Champion ?
 
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He's not better than Insua, no fucking way.

Insua was 21, had played 50 odd games in his first year, and was technically sound.

We replaced him with a 29 year old, who's fucking ordinary. A shitty makewieght that should never be playing for a Top 4 club.

And we had to pay 5M for that too.
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Ryan, I really liked Insua as a 'player' because I thought he had alot to offer technically, but defensively he was all over the place, his positioning was terrible and his defensive play was more than questionable. Regards Konchesky, he's ok and relatively cheap and experienced in the EPL. I don't think he's that bad.
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There is fuck all between the two of them mate. Insua had upside - age, experience, etc. And was really unfairly maligned for being thrown in at the deep end.

I'm all for paying 5M to replace him if you're getting someone good. But we didn't, we got a middle of the road 29 year old left back. Who gives the ball away non stop.
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£5m for a left back is relatively low though, you get what you pay for I suppose but unless your Wenger and you spend it on a 19 year old no one has heard of, you're generally just playing it safe and filling a gap and that's more or less how I see Konchesky.

Insua had age on his side, and like I said, I thought he was technically good. I think you and I fought his corner alot last season, but ultimately he was well short of being a good left back, especially with GlenJo on the other side, the centre backs were dragged all over the place, at least now we look like we have a good flat back four again that can hold a line and be compact when needed.
 
He's alright. Seems capable of doing the job at least.

We have had some shit full backs over the last few years so to be honest it was a relief to get one who, although not great, wasn't a total mess.
 
Koncheskey's doing ok for a guy who's out of his element. He probably never dreamed he'd get a chance to play for a massive club.

From the highlights of the Fulham-Wigan game this weekend the Mexican guy who replaced Koncheskey looked good. Set one up and kept finding space to move forward. That may have been down to Wigan's defending though.
 
Perhaps, but Salcido's a decent player anyway. I wanted him instead of Konchesky and there were stories that LFC was his preferred destination, but TBF it's understandable that Roy went for a player who knows the Prem. In the event we've got what many of us thought we'd get when we signed Konchesky, namely a very average player but one who has at least held his end up better than poor Insua did last season.
 
According to Alan Green on 5live, Konch had a shocker yesterday. Kept giving the ball away. True?
 
Insua may have had the advantage of being younger, but as a defender he was shite. His positioning was deplorable. Konch is no Ashley Cole but he is far better defensively than Insua. I think it should be a prerequisite for a defender that he can defend first and foremost. It may be an oldfashioned view but its my opinion anyway.
 
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I'm open-minded about Konchesky. He's alright I guess I think he'll improve as his understanding of those around him grows, but defensively he's still very questionable. After his horrific performance against Nani I fear for him the next time he comes up against a winger with real pace.
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Yeh I worry when he comes up against a decent right midfielder too. I was watching him at the game last weekend against Blackburn and Blackburns full back managed to get a cross in without Konchesky getting close to him at all. I said to the lad sitting next me the that if a full back can get that much space against him then I worry when he comes up against somebody half decent, probably starting with Malouda next weekend!

I wasn't a big Insua fan. Too many times he got destroyed down the wing because of his lack of pace. Game against Lyon at home springs to mind as one of the most damaging.
 
Konchesky and Skrtel just look as if they're about to get booked or give pens away or both at any minute. Not good enough.

Shame Agger is made of biscuits but in the meanwhile I'd play Soto and Carra and have Kelly at RB. Fuck Johnson, he's basically Babel in the opposite corner of the pitch.
 
The signing of Konchesky shows (sadly) in what shape Liverpool is today (or perhaps yesterday depending on how our new owners will act). An average fullback who can not and will not develope to the better and with no future in a top club.
 
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