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And before spurs?
What does that really matter ? Before Spurs out back 5 was Mignolet, Moreno, Lovren, Matip and Gomez. There is no performance comparison to be made to the defence before the introduction of VvD and Robertson and TAA taking over from Gomez because it's been totally revamped.
 
Yeah, but the problem is that to win the league you need to be impressive for a long period of time. Ideally the entirety of the league season.
Obviously pre and post January are chalk and cheese but I agree with what Gerrard and Lampard said last night ... that this team, with the addition of a keeper, CB, Keita and a backup to cover the front three, can challenge City next season.
 

[article]“Do you know how f*****’ difficult it is to play like that? Seriously. Do people realise?”

These were the words of a Liverpool legend ahead of the latest Anfield thrill seekers’ convention against Roma.

“To get your players to show such bravery against the best teams in Europe?” he continued.

“To get into their heads they can go anywhere and keep going forward?

“[Pep] Guardiola is doing it and he is regarded a genius but [Jürgen] Klopp is the same. If it was so easy to do what Liverpool are doing tactically, why isn't everyone else doing it?”

Since the player who said this was unaware the sentiments would be pinched for print purposes it would be unfair to name him, but it was stated with justifiable incredulity that amid all the rightful acclaim for Klopp’s work, there remains some misunderstanding surrounding it.

When Liverpool overcame Manchester City in the quarter-final there were plenty who portrayed it as the philosopher being outshouted by the manic cheerleader – the meticulous flawless masterplan of the world’s greatest manager inexplicably undermined by a coach embracing chaos theory, ordering players to frenziedly surge forward in zig-zags to confound logic. You would think from some interpretations a mob of Metalheads had the audacity to smash up the Philharmonic.

It would be easy to fall into trap again following the 5-2 win over Roma. With the Liverpool manager rousing the Main Stand after each well-timed tackle on the halfway line, there is a readily accessible colourful image for every visiting scribe reporting from the core of the Anfield inferno.

How comforting for future generations of Liverpool managers to know such a basic blueprint has been designed. Turn up, order The Kop to sing louder, treat the players like friends and deliver funny one-liners in press conferences. Why hasn’t anyone else since Bill Shankly thought of that?

While Guardiola and Jose Mourinho are portrayed as strategists – the Manchester City manager in particular inspiring a cult with the notion pass and move football from back to front is a reinvention rather than modern interpretation of the game – Klopp’s implementation of thematically similar football is somehow regarded less sophisticated, built around emotion rather than control.

The German coach is partially responsible for the sluggish misreading of his work, of course.

It was he, after all, who coined the phrase ‘heavy metal football’, thus perpetuating the notion it is less methodical, more prone to improvisation and, naturally, more shouty. If Klopp was passionate about classical music there may have been more inclination to depict him as a conductor. Equally, he might argue there as much artistic merit in the opening riff of AC/DC’s Back in Black as Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata.

Klopp considers the passion of football an exploitable tool – what manager with access to Dortmund’s Yellow Wall and The Kop would not? – but Liverpool’s success to date is an amalgamation of finely-tuned choreography on the training pitch stirring the masses on a matchday. You only have to compare the tranquil mood inside the stadium for Klopp’s first game against Southampton in 2015 to what we are witnessing now, even in Premier League games, to understand what came first.

Liverpool’s training drills are a repeat prescription. It demands highly technical and tactical attacking football to move the ball at speed from Loris Karius to Mohamed Salah to tear through opponents, and the harrying of the opponents from Roberto Firmino back to Karius to ensure Liverpool are more difficult to create chances against than set-piece frailties and inexplicable late lapses in concentration suggest. Porto, City and – after one leg of the semi-final – Roma barely had a shout on target against Klopp’s side.

There is more studiousness and theory to the work of Klopp and his backroom team – and indeed those recruiting on their behalf – than has been credited. It is comparable to Guardiola in that both managers see more risks and zero pleasure in cautious football.

Perhaps Klopp and his training ground assistants Peter Krawietz and Zeljko Buvac are too generous when deferring to their mentor, former Mainz coach Wolfgang Frank (who was himself a disciple of Arrigo Sacchi), rather than proclaiming (or having others claim on their behalf) they are creating something new. Maybe they are less ego-centric than some of their peers. There is nothing truly unique in football anymore. It merely evolves. Managers broadly choose between three or four defenders, three or four midfielders and two or three attackers, deciding upon a system most reflective of their personality.

What separates the greatest from the waves of imitators is the methodology, courage of their convictions, access to the personnel capable of executing their plan and, yes, charismatic leadership. The most evocative symphony and guitar solo ever written is nothing more than an instruction on a sheet of paper without the talent to perform it. But anyone who believes there are not as many emerging coaches seeking to copy Klopp as much as Guardiola is delusional. Many will presume they are never going to manage a club with Lionel Messi or backed by an Arab state so will find the Liverpool manager a more realistic character-study. Football historians will be fascinated by what Klopp and his coaches and scouts saw in Salah that Mourinho did not.

Klopp is rarely asked about his tactics. The long-established cult of personality in football is responsible for that. There are plenty with a taste for 2,000 word dissertations on gegenpressing (what Joe Fagan would have called defending from the front in 1984), but Klopp understands when a left footer from 20 yards finds the top corner, it is the point of entry that stirs the soul of spectators.

To rush into the press room in the emotional aftermath to ask the manager about the hours of unseen work that has gone into ensuring Salah is in the right position to pick his spot would be akin to asking Francis Ford Coppola to detail why the cinematography in the Godfather Part II was fundamental to Robert De Niro’s majestic performance.

Klopp is more generous in his time than most managers, so naturally there seems less mystery about him given his willingness to discuss a range of subjects. He will never be regarded an introverted, eccentric professor spending his spare time reviewing DVDs of the last performance – even though this is precisely what he does.

Klopp is portrayed in many ways, some of which seem fair, others ridiculously caricatured. But when dishing out the eulogies for the greatest tacticians of modern European football, the Liverpool coach must be recognised alongside Guardiola.

After a prolonged era where tedious pragmatism has dominated tactical approaches domestically, in European competition and especially in international games, we must hope the Manchester City and Liverpool managers inspire an enlightened age of progressive, entertaining and most thrillingly of all, daring football.[/article]
 
I know its always a tale of one or two players.....

But for the first time its really EASY to see what they are.
A CB partner for VVD
A DM yes its 2018 and we still dont have one.

Thats it. Keita is coming. Thats a given to bolster that midfield
Oxlade
Henderson
Milner
Grujic
Wilson
Keita
Wijnaldum
Lallana
DM

Up front we need better cover for the front 3 than Solank-ings as they are both fucking wank.

Keeper? Im happy with Karius.

Full backs we look good. Maybe LB cover.

Its literally a top DM and another VVD and we are serious challengers.
 
I know its always a tale of one or two players.....

But for the first time its really EASY to see what they are.
A CB partner for VVD
A DM yes its 2018 and we still dont have one.

Thats it. Keita is coming. Thats a given to bolster that midfield
Oxlade
Henderson
Milner
Grujic
Wilson
Keita
Wijnaldum
Lallana
DM

Up front we need better cover for the front 3 than Solank-ings as they are both fucking wank.

Keeper? Im happy with Karius.

Full backs we look good. Maybe LB cover.

Its literally a top DM and another VVD and we are serious challengers.

Totally agree with this. It's the closest we've been to the balanced and capable squad needed for a really challenge in nearly a decade.
 
What does that really matter ? Before Spurs out back 5 was Mignolet, Moreno, Lovren, Matip and Gomez. There is no performance comparison to be made to the defence before the introduction of VvD and Robertson and TAA taking over from Gomez because it's been totally revamped.
Course it matters because we dropped points

It's a team game and if our depth isnt up to scratch then we're done for challenging for the league

Were one injury away from our defence going back to fucking muck.
 
Yeah, but the problem is that to win the league you need to be impressive for a long period of time. Ideally the entirety of the league season.

We've brought in players to address those issues since then and improved our attacking play.

I don't know if we'll win it but I expect us to start very strongly next season.
 
Course it matters because we dropped points

It's a team game and if our depth isnt up to scratch then we're done for challenging for the league

Were one injury away from our defence going back to fucking muck.
We're not talking about points we're discussing the quality of the team now and before and the improvements made. Absolutely agree on the depth of course - I'm with Gerrard and Lampard on that, we need at least 4 first team quality players, in addition to Keita, to challenge next season.
 
[article]According to Benjamin Disraeli Rome symbolises the ideal of conquest. Not quite yet, it doesn’t. Liverpool may have earned their moments of unbound joy inside the Stadio Olimpico on Wednesday, capped by a lovely interlude as Jürgen Klopp went bowling through the security lines to exchange a little joyful energy with the Liverpool fans, waving his arms like a drunken dad at Christmas, all goofy warmth and unaffected pleasure in a shared achievement.

But as Klopp pointed out, nothing has been settled just yet. The run to the final has had its memorable subplots. From James Milner’s elevation to the status, on the season’s stats, of most creative player in the history of modern European football. To the sustained excellence of Andy Robertson. To the spectacle of players as diverse as Loris Karius and Ragnar Klavan blocking it out en route to a Champions League final.

Still, no permanent mark has been made and certainly Real Madrid will present a different kind of obstacle. For the first time this season Liverpool face a meeting with European aristocracy. Deep down Real will see them as extras in this show, a disposable piece of ballast, there to provide a backdrop to the imperial parade.

Yet for all that it is perhaps time to park thoughts of Kiev and wallow just a little in the moment, because Klopp is wrong in one sense. Something significant has already been achieved just by making it to this stage. First for Klopp himself; and second for English football, so angst-ridden in its endless search for things such as identity and purpose, for the right DNA, the right borrowed suit of clothes.

Yes: it’s time to talk about Jürgen – and about us. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply and acts boldly. That was also Disraeli but it could at a pinch be a Klopp-ism, just without the guffaws and the swearing and the slang, a Victorian translation of one of those asides tossed into his rambling late-night press conferences where you sit up and think, hang on, what did he just say?

Liverpool have been down this road but the boldness, the deep feeling of this team, is Klopp’s own work. This is a manager who has done that rare thing of rebuilding a team entirely in his own image in the space of two years and eight months. Klopp signed eight of the Liverpool players on the pitch in Rome and gave another his professional debut. There is nothing in this team that isn’t basted in his juices. Liverpool lost their best (inherited) player in January and still got better on the back of it – got a new best player, a better best player.

Klopp has always been a systems manager. He remains wedded to his founding revelation at Mainz that the right tactics implemented correctly can beat better players, a theme he has returned to often in the current run.

This is the other big thing about this Liverpool team in a Champions League final. As Emlyn Hughes once said: “The greatest good you can do for another is not to share your riches but to reveal to him his own.”
Actually that was also Disraeli but it captures Klopp’s potential to affect English football more widely.

Real are fitting opponents in this sense. Liverpool’s 4-0 defeat of pre-Ronaldo Madrid in March 2009 is an overlooked staging point in the modern history of European club football. It was after seeing their team physically overpowered by Gerrard and Mascherano, Kuyt and Carragher (and also Babel, Spearing and Dossena) that Real made a slight change of policy, re-gearing to match the power of the Premier League. That summer 13 players left. Cristiano Ronaldo arrived, as did Karim Benzema and Liverpool’s own Xabi Alonso and Álvaro Arbeloa.

That Premier League intensity had revealed something to Real, offered a route to further riches. The hope now is that Klopp’s example may do something similar for English football. Like it or not Liverpool are deeply Premier League, oddly indigenous in their style.

This is a distinction, not a judgment. For all the brilliance of Manchester City, it is a fact that the Pep Guardiola system is entirely its own entity – no less or no more valid, but with its own distinct fascinations and contrasts. Whereas Liverpool’s hard-pressing, chancy physicality just feels like an unusually good fit with the strangely persistent texture and tone of the game in this country, the way qualities such as pace and power and the eagerness to play at speed still emerge even through the prism of Premier League cosmopolitanism.


Perhaps this idea of shared identity should not matter: football is a global, borderless entity now, existing only in that square of green. But the notion of different footballing cultures, of an English way, certainly matters to Klopp, who has spoken in these pages of the benefits of mining that source, of exploring its deep roots. There were seven English players on the pitch at various times over the two legs and at its most intense the Klopp thrash-metal style just feels like it should be English.

Before the quarter-final Fernandino had called Liverpool a long-ball team, which clearly is not true but does reflect the rather overlooked synergy between the pressing style and classic direct football of the 1950s. Both are designed to provide creativity out of broken play, whether through airborne assault or well-drilled pressing, the kind of attack that can feed like a shoal of piranhas off a state of engineered disorder.

This is what Premier League football looks like, at least in the hopeful imagination, or could or should look like. That is has been created by a German, led from the front by a Brazilian and a Senegalese and given a dusting of genius by an Egyptian only adds to the gaiety.


Perhaps Liverpool really will be able to assert their own strengths in Kiev, to summon up the fury of the Red Zone. Some will pore fretfully over the weaknesses in Liverpool’s backline, albeit these are mirrored in Real’s own regally dozy approach to the common mud of marking and tracking back.

One other thing, though: a one-off final suits Liverpool much better than the more unforgiving exam over two legs. Finals can be crazy, adrenal things, there to be wrenched away in a fateful 20-minute surge. Now, who does that remind you of?[/article]
 
[article]According to Benjamin Disraeli Rome symbolises the ideal of conquest. Not quite yet, it doesn’t. Liverpool may have earned their moments of unbound joy inside the Stadio Olimpico on Wednesday, capped by a lovely interlude as Jürgen Klopp went bowling through the security lines to exchange a little joyful energy with the Liverpool fans, waving his arms like a drunken dad at Christmas, all goofy warmth and unaffected pleasure in a shared achievement.

But as Klopp pointed out, nothing has been settled just yet. The run to the final has had its memorable subplots. From James Milner’s elevation to the status, on the season’s stats, of most creative player in the history of modern European football. To the sustained excellence of Andy Robertson. To the spectacle of players as diverse as Loris Karius and Ragnar Klavan blocking it out en route to a Champions League final.

Still, no permanent mark has been made and certainly Real Madrid will present a different kind of obstacle. For the first time this season Liverpool face a meeting with European aristocracy. Deep down Real will see them as extras in this show, a disposable piece of ballast, there to provide a backdrop to the imperial parade.

Yet for all that it is perhaps time to park thoughts of Kiev and wallow just a little in the moment, because Klopp is wrong in one sense. Something significant has already been achieved just by making it to this stage. First for Klopp himself; and second for English football, so angst-ridden in its endless search for things such as identity and purpose, for the right DNA, the right borrowed suit of clothes.

Yes: it’s time to talk about Jürgen – and about us. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply and acts boldly. That was also Disraeli but it could at a pinch be a Klopp-ism, just without the guffaws and the swearing and the slang, a Victorian translation of one of those asides tossed into his rambling late-night press conferences where you sit up and think, hang on, what did he just say?

Liverpool have been down this road but the boldness, the deep feeling of this team, is Klopp’s own work. This is a manager who has done that rare thing of rebuilding a team entirely in his own image in the space of two years and eight months. Klopp signed eight of the Liverpool players on the pitch in Rome and gave another his professional debut. There is nothing in this team that isn’t basted in his juices. Liverpool lost their best (inherited) player in January and still got better on the back of it – got a new best player, a better best player.

Klopp has always been a systems manager. He remains wedded to his founding revelation at Mainz that the right tactics implemented correctly can beat better players, a theme he has returned to often in the current run.

This is the other big thing about this Liverpool team in a Champions League final. As Emlyn Hughes once said: “The greatest good you can do for another is not to share your riches but to reveal to him his own.”
Actually that was also Disraeli but it captures Klopp’s potential to affect English football more widely.

Real are fitting opponents in this sense. Liverpool’s 4-0 defeat of pre-Ronaldo Madrid in March 2009 is an overlooked staging point in the modern history of European club football. It was after seeing their team physically overpowered by Gerrard and Mascherano, Kuyt and Carragher (and also Babel, Spearing and Dossena) that Real made a slight change of policy, re-gearing to match the power of the Premier League. That summer 13 players left. Cristiano Ronaldo arrived, as did Karim Benzema and Liverpool’s own Xabi Alonso and Álvaro Arbeloa.

That Premier League intensity had revealed something to Real, offered a route to further riches. The hope now is that Klopp’s example may do something similar for English football. Like it or not Liverpool are deeply Premier League, oddly indigenous in their style.

This is a distinction, not a judgment. For all the brilliance of Manchester City, it is a fact that the Pep Guardiola system is entirely its own entity – no less or no more valid, but with its own distinct fascinations and contrasts. Whereas Liverpool’s hard-pressing, chancy physicality just feels like an unusually good fit with the strangely persistent texture and tone of the game in this country, the way qualities such as pace and power and the eagerness to play at speed still emerge even through the prism of Premier League cosmopolitanism.


Perhaps this idea of shared identity should not matter: football is a global, borderless entity now, existing only in that square of green. But the notion of different footballing cultures, of an English way, certainly matters to Klopp, who has spoken in these pages of the benefits of mining that source, of exploring its deep roots. There were seven English players on the pitch at various times over the two legs and at its most intense the Klopp thrash-metal style just feels like it should be English.

Before the quarter-final Fernandino had called Liverpool a long-ball team, which clearly is not true but does reflect the rather overlooked synergy between the pressing style and classic direct football of the 1950s. Both are designed to provide creativity out of broken play, whether through airborne assault or well-drilled pressing, the kind of attack that can feed like a shoal of piranhas off a state of engineered disorder.

This is what Premier League football looks like, at least in the hopeful imagination, or could or should look like. That is has been created by a German, led from the front by a Brazilian and a Senegalese and given a dusting of genius by an Egyptian only adds to the gaiety.


Perhaps Liverpool really will be able to assert their own strengths in Kiev, to summon up the fury of the Red Zone. Some will pore fretfully over the weaknesses in Liverpool’s backline, albeit these are mirrored in Real’s own regally dozy approach to the common mud of marking and tracking back.

One other thing, though: a one-off final suits Liverpool much better than the more unforgiving exam over two legs. Finals can be crazy, adrenal things, there to be wrenched away in a fateful 20-minute surge. Now, who does that remind you of?[/article]

He bought six starters in Rome, not eight. For the pedants out there.
 
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