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Klopp The Serial Loser ??

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5 times he has lost finals.. a worrying stat ?

5 Finals in succession he has lost, this must be pissing him well off.. Bad run to be on the end of..



Unlucky.. ?? Playing against Stronger sides ?? or are his teams struggling to adapt his game plan for Finals??
 
As I said in another thread, this will turn into a long-running media obsession from now on, but it IS unfair. He lost two finals to Bayern and one to Werder Breman - at the time, on form and regarding the respective squads, that was no great shock. Here he's inherited a squad that DOES choke in the decisive games, and he's got to find a way to change that. It's depressing because we've got to go on another long, long slog to reach the point where we can show we've beaten it.

These players are serial flatterers to deceive. Big flashy league wins, followed by horrible capitulations to relegation battlers. Brilliant cup wins followed by dismal collapses in finals. The memory of that lurks in our minds and those of our opponents - other teams are spurred on, a goal down, by the thought that, in the past, we've let teams back in. And we know that, too. I've no doubt that Klopp and his assistants can send us out into future finals with the right plan, but changing the psychology of a team is tougher.

When we used to win things every season, the fact that the players expected to win got us through so many tough games it was unreal. We've since seen the mancs do the same. Now it's the opposite. It's no accident we've lost so many leads after coasting through first halves. It's the most mentally frail squad I've ever seen at Liverpool, and it does worry me when you see yet another example added to the memory.
 
As I said in another thread, this will turn into a long-running media obsession from now on, but it IS unfair. He lost two finals to Bayern and one to Werder Breman - at the time, on form and regarding the respective squads, that was no great shock. Here he's inherited a squad that DOES choke in the decisive games, and he's got to find a way to change that. It's depressing because we've got to go on another long, long slog to reach the point where we can show we've beaten it.

These players are serial flatterers to deceive. Big flashy league wins, followed by horrible capitulations to relegation battlers. Brilliant cup wins followed by dismal collapses in finals. The memory of that lurks in our minds and those of our opponents - other teams are spurred on, a goal down, by the thought that, in the past, we've let teams back in. And we know that, too. I've no doubt that Klopp and his assistants can send us out into future finals with the right plan, but changing the psychology of a team is tougher.

When we used to win things every season, the fact that the players expected to win got us through so many tough games it was unreal. We've since seen the mancs do the same. Now it's the opposite. It's no accident we've lost so many leads after coasting through first halves. It's the most mentally frail squad I've ever seen at Liverpool, and it does worry me when you see yet another example added to the memory.


The media will certainly use it as a stick to beat him with, even more so if he loses his next Final...

I do think the team will grow stronger from this.. like you say its all about changing the team psychology, Klopp has mentioned this already, turning doubters into believers

But like its been mentioned many times.. The team needs winners and leaders in the squad to help that move forward...
 
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Lose on pens to Chelsea with someone else's squad and the again in the final of the Europa with someone else's squad.
How dare he?
Why not do the intelligent thing and give him huge credit for simply getting to those finals in the first place.
 
Looking at the most successful Liverpool teams of the past, they had a leader at every stage in the spine. Clemence in goal - never stopped growling at the defence to up their game. Souness in midfield - a brilliant motivator and a terrifyingly fierce competitor. Dalglish up front - moaning, screaming and snarling at anyone who wasn't at the top of their form. Obviously those three are irreplaceable, but it's startling when you look at the spine of this team - Mignolet: about as dominant as a dishcloth; Hendo/Milner: not terrible, but neither is a strong enough presence; and Studge up front: he's a loner, not a leader. We do need to find players who'll bring some real steel to this team.
 
Lose on pens to Chelsea with someone else's squad and the again in the final of the Europa with someone else's squad.
How dare he?
Why not do the intelligent thing and give him huge credit for simply getting to those finals in the first place.

I am playing Devils Advocate mate.. He get credits where credit is due from me for the exact reasons you mentioned.. I am just opened the debate to see other thoughts..

incidently we didn't play Chelsea it was man City..
 
Both him and Durham are on about it now. Is Klopp a serial loser. Pair of fucking trolls.
 
This will be his first time that he will get a lot of money to spend in the transfer market, the first time in his career. IMO that is a very important point. For probably the first time ever he will get the chance to sign expensive world class if he want it.

It will be very interesting to see how he will build his squad. I think that he will build it like Ranieri built up the Leicester squad. No big egos in the squad and you always need to put the team first. That type of players. He will now know a lot about our squad.

Team first or else you won't play for us.
 
This will be his first time that he will get a lot of money to spend in the transfer market, the first time in his career. IMO that is a very important point. For probably the first time ever he will get the chance to sign expensive world class if he want it.

I dont think so. Once Dortmund became a dominant force he did have the money to buy Mikhtarian and Reus. They were no cheap. They paid a decent amount for Immobile also. We probably have the budget to shop in the same category, maybe 5-8 million higher. Currently expensive world class goes for 50 million plus which I am sure we dont have the budget for.
 
I'm very sure that Klopp will be allowed to sign a player for £50m+ if he want it. If he want to sign for example Lewandowski and he would be available and he would like to sign for us then money wouldn't stop the deal IMO.

It all comes down to what player is available again IMO.
 
When we used to win things every season, the fact that the players expected to win got us through so many tough games it was unreal. We've since seen the mancs do the same. Now it's the opposite. It's no accident we've lost so many leads after coasting through first halves. It's the most mentally frail squad I've ever seen at Liverpool, and it does worry me when you see yet another example added to the memory.

good news is the mancs don't expect to win anything anymore except for the offseason cash throwing contest
 
good news is the mancs don't expect to win anything anymore except for the offseason cash throwing contest


And yet Utd finished above us in the league, will have the chance to play in the CL next season and could still end this one with a cup. After playing as horribly as they've done. That's just exasperating. And City are set nicely for Guardiola to commence his next 'challenge'.
 
I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a worry but I have no doubts Klopp is the man for us.

rodgers has lost us semi finals in the past, kenny lost us an fa cup final...we missed out on the league under rodgers and rafa..
 
I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a worry but I have no doubts Klopp is the man for us.

rodgers has lost us semi finals in the past, kenny lost us an fa cup final...we missed out on the league under rodgers and rafa..

But we won cups under both too. I tend to agree with Macca, despite my in-game frustrations yesterday, if you have a look at the circumstances of his other losses, then it's harsh to say it's a habit. He had it all to do in the other finals he appeared in. I think he fucked up a bit here, and I think he was also desperately unlucky we didn't go in at halftime a few goals to the good, but it's done now. All we can do is hope that next season allows us to become a quality league team who will build something towards European stay-ability.

Maybe the cup thing will become a bit of a stigma that undermines his progress, but if he builds a team capable of challenging in the league, then all of that will become of secondary importance in the interim, building a successful league side will breed confidence and superiority, which will in turn make us more equipped for big cup finals. It'll come, if we build on this progress next season. Without European football though there is pretty much nowhere to hide when it comes to league form. We HAVE to do well.
 
If you can't beat them mentally, beat them tactically.
We did neither.

We did for 45 minutes - and the game should have been over at half time.
So let's stop pretending the game was one-sided because they hammered us when they dominated the second half.
 
My concern with Klopp before he was appointed was that his last disastrous season at Dortmund was down to him being inflexible in his tactics having been worked out by other managers. Ive yet to see him disprove that, and he has been caught flat footed numerous times already when other managers make changes that he doesnt react to but its too early in his tenure to tell if that going to be a regular occurrence. The cup run thing doesnt bother me, its a shame that he didnt get a trophy out of 2 attempts and it certainly ratchets up the pressure for the next final should we get there. We will have a fair idea of what Klopp is/isnt capable of by the end of next season.
 
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