Jonjo Shelvey,Danny Wilson and Raheem Sterling?
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Because someone's done the sums.. looked at Arsenal's strategy and realised if we can get thse lads cheap it might save spending a fortune on other transfers.
It looks more like a change in transfer strategy than anything else.
Besides, we've always been in for the young talent, it's just that we fanied about too much in the past and other teams got in, eg Ramsey, Walcott, Bale.
It looks more like a change in transfer strategy than anything else.
Besides, we've always been in for the young talent, it's just that we fanied about too much in the past and other teams got in, eg Ramsey, Walcott, Bale.
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Because someone's done the sums.. looked at Arsenal's strategy and realised if we can get thse lads cheap it might save spending a fortune on other transfers.
It looks more like a change in transfer strategy than anything else.
Besides, we've always been in for the young talent, it's just that we fanied about too much in the past and other teams got in, eg Ramsey, Walcott, Bale.
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I agree with that policy, it certainly seems to make sense. But why are H&G prepared to pump in £5m when they're not going to be around to reap the rewards?
Because someone's done the sums.. looked at Arsenal's strategy and realised if we can get thse lads cheap it might save spending a fortune on other transfers.
It looks more like a change in transfer strategy than anything else.
Besides, we've always been in for the young talent, it's just that we fanied about too much in the past and other teams got in, eg Ramsey, Walcott, Bale.
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I agree with that policy, it certainly seems to make sense. But why are H&G prepared to pump in £5m when they're not going to be around to reap the rewards?
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They aren't "pumping in" money.
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correct... and new signing new "wonderkids" might actually allow them to claim they've lweft the club a strong future and demand more money for it.
Or it might just be that Benitez has been given a transfer budget of 5m for next season and he's using it best as he can...
They aren't "pumping in" money.
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correct... and new signing new "wonderkids" might actually allow them to claim they've lweft the club a strong future and demand more money for it.
Or it might just be that Benitez has been given a transfer budget of 5m for next season and he's using it best as he can...
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40153.msg1101702#msg1101702 date=1273399023]
Probably.
But I think your view is overly simplistic.
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Please feel free to explain then Rosco.
Even if it's just being added to the debt, then it's still coming off of the profit that G&H will make when they've completed the sale (as far as i can see anyway).
Probably.
But I think your view is overly simplistic.
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Please feel free to explain then Rosco.
Even if it's just being added to the debt, then it's still coming off of the profit that G&H will make when they've completed the sale (as far as i can see anyway).
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101713#msg1101713 date=1273400852]
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
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They're assets. It adds to the perceived value of trhe club, particularly the potential value of the club.
Besides... who's to say these deals are cash up front.. most likely they're spread payments, that they'll not have to worry about if they sell.
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
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They're assets. It adds to the perceived value of trhe club, particularly the potential value of the club.
Besides... who's to say these deals are cash up front.. most likely they're spread payments, that they'll not have to worry about if they sell.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101713#msg1101713 date=1273400852]
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
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They're assets. It adds to the perceived value of trhe club, particularly the potential value of the club.
Besides... who's to say these deals are cash up front.. most likely they're spread payments, that they'll not have to worry about if they sell.
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I don't think for one minute that just because we've signed £5m worth of potential, that our clubs value will automatically rise by the same amount.
Those transfer fee's will still be on the books though, regardless of when they are due to be paid.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101713#msg1101713 date=1273400852]
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
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They're assets. It adds to the perceived value of trhe club, particularly the potential value of the club.
Besides... who's to say these deals are cash up front.. most likely they're spread payments, that they'll not have to worry about if they sell.
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I don't think for one minute that just because we've signed £5m worth of potential, that our clubs value will automatically rise by the same amount.
Those transfer fee's will still be on the books though, regardless of when they are due to be paid.
Im excited about all of these prospects.. money well spent.
however, why money is still being spent? no idea. bizaree
however, why money is still being spent? no idea. bizaree
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101713#msg1101713 date=1273400852]
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
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Fair point Rafa.
The main things I'd like to know regarding these transfers:
* Who's signing them? Rafa or the Head Scout?
* If we've supposedly got no money, signing three kids for £5m suggests we have got money and will spend in the Summer.
* If Rafa has been involved in the transfers this suggests he's staying on next season, otherwise backing him in the transfer market makes no sense.
Either way, I don't think this has any bearing on the sale of the club, but at least by signing them the suggestion is there that we are willing to carry on spending, and the sell to buy thing could be a load of bollocks (though lets not forget recent sales).
So wether they are putting in money themselves or simply adding it to the debt (much more likely), why would H&G still be signing players?
You've said yourself that adding players like this to our squad will not add anything to the valuation of our club, so why are they doing it?
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Fair point Rafa.
The main things I'd like to know regarding these transfers:
* Who's signing them? Rafa or the Head Scout?
* If we've supposedly got no money, signing three kids for £5m suggests we have got money and will spend in the Summer.
* If Rafa has been involved in the transfers this suggests he's staying on next season, otherwise backing him in the transfer market makes no sense.
Either way, I don't think this has any bearing on the sale of the club, but at least by signing them the suggestion is there that we are willing to carry on spending, and the sell to buy thing could be a load of bollocks (though lets not forget recent sales).
Unless another party is sanctioning the minor purchases.
It is a major seas change in policy, and I can't see it is of Rafa's doing. Three young British talents in as many weeks?
It's not like £5m is a great sum in the major scheme of things, it's just not like us since Rafa's tenure.
I wonder if Dalglish has been given a bit more authority in the Football side of things, and Purslow is involved, hence Rafa's alleged falling out.
regards
It is a major seas change in policy, and I can't see it is of Rafa's doing. Three young British talents in as many weeks?
It's not like £5m is a great sum in the major scheme of things, it's just not like us since Rafa's tenure.
I wonder if Dalglish has been given a bit more authority in the Football side of things, and Purslow is involved, hence Rafa's alleged falling out.
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40153.msg1101728#msg1101728 date=1273403189]
Unless another party is sanctioning the minor purchases.
It is a major seas change in policy, and I can't see it is of Rafa's doing. Three young British talents in as many weeks?
It's not like £5m is a great sum in the major scheme of things, it's just not like us since Rafa's tenure.
I wonder if Dalglish has been given a bit more authority in the Football side of things, and Purslow is involved, hence Rafa's alleged falling out.
regards
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I was thinking along those lines myself Vlad.
Maybe i'm just clutching at straws, but it would seem to make sense.
Unless another party is sanctioning the minor purchases.
It is a major seas change in policy, and I can't see it is of Rafa's doing. Three young British talents in as many weeks?
It's not like £5m is a great sum in the major scheme of things, it's just not like us since Rafa's tenure.
I wonder if Dalglish has been given a bit more authority in the Football side of things, and Purslow is involved, hence Rafa's alleged falling out.
regards
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I was thinking along those lines myself Vlad.
Maybe i'm just clutching at straws, but it would seem to make sense.
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101747#msg1101747 date=1273405432]
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
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That's cleared that up then! He'd made comments in another article that suggested it had nothing to do with him, but anyway...
It's easy to suggest that the club are backing him, so therefore he's staying, but these are good, young, much touted players. It's not like it's £20m on someone.
That said, everything, at least as things stand right now, points to Rafa being backed.
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
[/quote]
That's cleared that up then! He'd made comments in another article that suggested it had nothing to do with him, but anyway...
It's easy to suggest that the club are backing him, so therefore he's staying, but these are good, young, much touted players. It's not like it's £20m on someone.
That said, everything, at least as things stand right now, points to Rafa being backed.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40153.msg1101750#msg1101750 date=1273406185]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101747#msg1101747 date=1273405432]
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
[/quote]
That's cleared that up then! He'd made comments in another article that suggested it had nothing to do with him, but anyway...
It's easy to suggest that the club are backing him, so therefore he's staying, but these are good, young, much touted players. It's not like it's £20m on someone.
That said, everything, at least as things stand right now, points to Rafa being backed.
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I don't think these signings necessarily mean that he's staying either mate, i'm just more interested to know why G&H are still prepared to sanction them.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101747#msg1101747 date=1273405432]
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
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That's cleared that up then! He'd made comments in another article that suggested it had nothing to do with him, but anyway...
It's easy to suggest that the club are backing him, so therefore he's staying, but these are good, young, much touted players. It's not like it's £20m on someone.
That said, everything, at least as things stand right now, points to Rafa being backed.
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I don't think these signings necessarily mean that he's staying either mate, i'm just more interested to know why G&H are still prepared to sanction them.
We are Tottenham circa 2005.
They signed youngsters Bale, Lennon, Huddlestone, Jenas, Defoe etc.
We've tried the Man U way (signing expensive stars) dint work, we've tried the Arsenal way (young foreign dudes) didn't work. So now we are trying the Tottenham way.
Bring on the young englishers.
They signed youngsters Bale, Lennon, Huddlestone, Jenas, Defoe etc.
We've tried the Man U way (signing expensive stars) dint work, we've tried the Arsenal way (young foreign dudes) didn't work. So now we are trying the Tottenham way.
Bring on the young englishers.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101752#msg1101752 date=1273406656]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40153.msg1101750#msg1101750 date=1273406185]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101747#msg1101747 date=1273405432]
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
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That's cleared that up then! He'd made comments in another article that suggested it had nothing to do with him, but anyway...
It's easy to suggest that the club are backing him, so therefore he's staying, but these are good, young, much touted players. It's not like it's £20m on someone.
That said, everything, at least as things stand right now, points to Rafa being backed.
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I don't think these signings necessarily mean that he's staying either mate, i'm just more interested to know why G&H are still prepared to sanction them.
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Let is wait till we find out whom we are selling 🙂
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40153.msg1101750#msg1101750 date=1273406185]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40153.msg1101747#msg1101747 date=1273405432]
Rafa Benitez may not know where his destiny lies, but that hasn't stopped him planning for a brighter Anfield future.
Benitez: 'No-one at Liverpool has spoken to me about my future'
Even while the Liverpool boss was admitting that he doesn't know if he will be at the club next season, he was revealing a new club policy to secure the best British talent of their generation.
The Reds confirmed yesterday the £1.7million capture of 17-year-old England youth international Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton, in a deal that could double in time.
That comes after the £500,000 signing of 15-year-old Raheem Sterling in another deal that could eventually rise past the £2m mark.
Another 15-year-old, David Moli, was signed from Luton, and Jamie Stephens, 16, was taken from Swindon for an undisclosed fee.
Benitez said: "We have to plan for the future and I told the club we had to sign Shelvey because it would be good for that.
"I don't want to keep talking about my future because I want to concentrate on Atletico, but we signed him because it is my responsibility to do what is best for the future of the club.
"We have been working for years to sign players like this. I was trying to sign Gareth Barry before and Glen Johnson was the same idea - we were trying to bring in British players with passion.
"Players who could feel what Liverpool means for them. Shelvey is one of these and we have two or three names ready so we will try to do the best for the club.
"We have this long-term plan in place and we will try to follow the plan."
[/quote]
That's cleared that up then! He'd made comments in another article that suggested it had nothing to do with him, but anyway...
It's easy to suggest that the club are backing him, so therefore he's staying, but these are good, young, much touted players. It's not like it's £20m on someone.
That said, everything, at least as things stand right now, points to Rafa being backed.
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I don't think these signings necessarily mean that he's staying either mate, i'm just more interested to know why G&H are still prepared to sanction them.
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Let is wait till we find out whom we are selling 🙂
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40153.msg1101753#msg1101753 date=1273407766]
We are Tottenham circa 2005.
They signed youngsters Bale, Lennon, Huddlestone, Jenas, Defoe etc.
We've tried the Man U way (signing expensive stars) dint work, we've tried the Arsenal way (young foreign dudes) didn't work. So now we are trying the Tottenham way.
Bring on the young englishers.
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let's hope they develop as well as those players you've mentioned -
We are Tottenham circa 2005.
They signed youngsters Bale, Lennon, Huddlestone, Jenas, Defoe etc.
We've tried the Man U way (signing expensive stars) dint work, we've tried the Arsenal way (young foreign dudes) didn't work. So now we are trying the Tottenham way.
Bring on the young englishers.
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let's hope they develop as well as those players you've mentioned -
What Andy said. Plus the fact this rulings coming in about homegrown players, gotta make a difference.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40153.msg1101728#msg1101728 date=1273403189]
Unless another party is sanctioning the minor purchases.
It is a major seas change in policy, and I can't see it is of Rafa's doing. Three young British talents in as many weeks?
It's not like £5m is a great sum in the major scheme of things, it's just not like us since Rafa's tenure.
I wonder if Dalglish has been given a bit more authority in the Football side of things, and Purslow is involved, hence Rafa's alleged falling out.
regards
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Unless another party is sanctioning the minor purchases.
It is a major seas change in policy, and I can't see it is of Rafa's doing. Three young British talents in as many weeks?
It's not like £5m is a great sum in the major scheme of things, it's just not like us since Rafa's tenure.
I wonder if Dalglish has been given a bit more authority in the Football side of things, and Purslow is involved, hence Rafa's alleged falling out.
regards
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