Sounds like he's done here. I rate him but he's not worth that a week especially when he's injury prone and has the attention span of a record label
Anyone actually wanna keep him?
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Sounds like he's done here. I rate him but he's not worth that a week especially when he's injury prone and has the attention span of a record label
Anyone actually wanna keep him?
I suspect the 12 month extension has a significantly reduced wage - maybe 80k or something like that? He's been poor over the last year to 18 months and often he's looked like he can't be arsed. He's got ability though, and he probably knows he's playing for his future so if he's bothered he'll knuckle down and take his chance when he undoubtedly gets it, and remind me (yes, me specifically) that he can be a right back good enough for our team.
It'd odd. Johnson had infuriated me over the last 12 months but it was good to see him come back into the fold against West Brom. Absence makes the heart grow fonder I suppose and for a while I had forgotten the 'pain' Johnson put us through with his languid displays. He has suffered from a lack of competition for years. The arrival of Manquillo and a potential fight for a new contract (albeit here or abroad) should ensure he is at least putting in a decent shift for us.
Perhaps he actually genuinely wants to play for another couple of years & it's the length not the wages in the contract he's bothered by?
I dunno, but unless he has an offer from a Spanish team or somewhere else easier & warmer (maybe the US?) it doesn't make sense.
It's hard to put yourself in his position, but I can imagine if you're struggling at times with your natural game as age catches up a temptation like playing in the US for a couple of years at a lower standard with all the benefits that go along with it would be hard to resist.
I dunno, but unless he has an offer from a Spanish team or somewhere else easier & warmer (maybe the US?) it doesn't make sense.
It's hard to put yourself in his position, but I can imagine if you're struggling at times with your natural game as age catches up a temptation like playing in the US for a couple of years at a lower standard with all the benefits that go along with it would be hard to resist.
Oh, & fwiw I probably argued for him more than anyone else last season, but he finally pushed me over the edge, there's only so long you can think it's form & not his age working against him.
That's not to say the revisionism some spout is right, there's been times in our not so distant past that only he & Gerrard were our world class players & he didn't fuck off to Chelsea, Real, Arsenal or any of the other clubs that have been heavily linked with him, despite us struggling during much of his tenure.
If he could play the occasional game & stay I'd be happy, but I don't think that will suit him, I think he wants more game time & a longer contract, which we won't give him.
That's not to say the revisionism some spout is right, there's been times in our not so distant past that only he & Gerrard were our world class players & he didn't fuck off to Chelsea, Real, Arsenal or any of the other clubs that have been heavily linked with him, despite us struggling during much of his tenure.
If he could play the occasional game & stay I'd be happy, but I don't think that will suit him, I think he wants more game time & a longer contract, which we won't give him.
If he were to take a wage cut. I'd keep him. I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be.
Times up. Will be wearing the hoops of 'Arry in January, as long as 'Appy 'Arry hasn't been sacked by then.
I would be happy to see him get a new contract... at Toronto FC.
I know it's a minor point, but when was that? We had either Torres or Suarez since he signed. Or am I missing something?
Torres wasn't near world class for at least a season & a half whilst he was here, the only world class players we had starting then we're Johnson & Gerrard... Fuck, under Hodgson they stuck out like sore thumbs, looked as if they'd be loaned to a championship club a lot of the time they were so much better than their teammates.
Oddly, I think Johnson has done quite well under Hodgson, both for us and England. Maybe if he's given too much licence to attack he just completely forgets about being a defender.
Fair enough. I'm not sure I agree that Johnson was ever "more" world class than Torres, but it doesn't really matter anyway. He isn't world class now.
I remember Johnson "looking" World Class briefly for a couple of months of his first season, he's had fleeting moments of genius and frequent moments of indecision and poor concentration, since.
Torres was the highest scoring import at the time and was outstanding in his partnership with Gerrard. He went off the rails at the end, through a combination of injury and a shit attitude, but when he was onfire he was destroying just about anyone who stood in his way.
Soz, I just don't see the comparison in who was better or who resembled anything like a World Class footballer, it's Torres hands down. Johnson could have been World Class, but it just didn't happen.
Torres was the highest scoring import at the time and was outstanding in his partnership with Gerrard. He went off the rails at the end, through a combination of injury and a shit attitude, but when he was onfire he was destroying just about anyone who stood in his way.
Soz, I just don't see the comparison in who was better or who resembled anything like a World Class footballer, it's Torres hands down. Johnson could have been World Class, but it just didn't happen.
Couldn't believe what you were saying so just checked. Torres scored 33 goals / 46 apps in his first season for us. He was the first striker since Fowler (11 years previous) to get past 20 league goals in a season. And that was also in his first season.
Is that Torres record at Chelsea ;-)
We have Manquillo (assuming we can make the loan permanent) and Flanno. IMO this now makes Johnson 3rd pick at RB. At LB we have Moreno & Enrique. There are pros and cons to both Enrique and Johnson at LB but we don't need both. If we go with 4 FBs then Moreno, Manquillo, Flanno & Johnson gives us 3 choices at both RB & LB. Though I much prefer Enrique over Johnson we lose that versatility. And of course Emre can play LB too.
What are the actual stipulations of the loan? Say we want to keep him after this season, what has to happen?
Ideally we'd keep him a year on less wages, I agree Flannel and Manpillow should be our first two right backs for the next few years, but Johnson's experience will help the squad. At the moment he, Skrtel and Gerrard are our only long serving experienced players, and we need that to help guide our young squad.
If it's a blue moon on the Thursday preceding his last game we keep him, or something equally as perverse.
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