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I think his time is up unfortunately. Great player but too injury prone and doesn't seem to fit in with Klopp's system. He was anonymous against Utd so no surprise he was on the bench.
I think you could take the Sturridge who starred alongside Suarez that season and put him in this team, he'd fit in very well. His movement then was superb, he was perfect in a fluid front line. Now? I don't know. Is it fitness, or attitude, or confidence? I still have hope he'll adapt.
Should have been brought on around the 60 or 65 minute mark when we looked unable to put another one in. But starting on the bench undoubtedly the right decision.
If someone offers us 30-40 million, I say sell ... I don't think it's for a lack of effort or quality, he just doesn't seem to be the same player who almost helped us win the league 3 years ago ... Injuries may have taken their toll, or maybe Klopp's system restricts him too much.
Sturridge is the type of player that does better when the team plays to his strengths, or built with him in mind..
That why he never cut the mustard anywhere else, but did with, Bolton, then us.. Sadly his injuries have forced us build a side capable of challenging without him in mind. Klopp had managed to do that exceptionally well..
He would of great to have (injury free) in a Benitez side..
That why he never cut the mustard anywhere else, but did with, Bolton, then us.. Sadly his injuries have forced us build a side capable of challenging without him in mind. Klopp had managed to do that exceptionally well..
He would of great to have (injury free) in a Benitez side..
Klopp said some brilliant things about him this week, saying things like even Lewandowski and Gerd Muller had barren spells, etc. etc. However I think Klopp tends to say nice things about everyone - until he chops them. I'm looking at you Achterberg.
I think it's 100% down to injuries taking a toll, specifically the loss of explosiveness and ability to sprint. Early in the game against Man U, Milner gave him a nicely weighted flick into space – Sturridge of 3 years ago would have chased down that ball easily, but this Sturridge didn't even try to run onto it. If he doesn't recover that sprinting ability, he will be half a player he once was – there is only so much you can do if you always require the ball to be played at your feet.
I don't think Klopp's system has anything to with it whatsoever. I have no doubt that Sturridge in his best form would have been a good fit for Klopp.
I don't think Klopp's system has anything to with it whatsoever. I have no doubt that Sturridge in his best form would have been a good fit for Klopp.
20M and sell
It's a combination of issues. I'm not sure injuries have taken their toll, but of course that's possible. I think (as I've said before) that the training style klopp has is about ninety minutes of running non stop whereas sturridge needs to be training for explosive pace.
The system doesn't suit him as much as it did under Rodgers, cos we're less about a fast striker running into space than we were before & more about intricate passing through the defence to create that space.
On top of that he's not being given a run in the side. No matter what type of striker you are, when you're not scoring you need a run of games to get it clicking again. He's not getting that.
The system doesn't suit him as much as it did under Rodgers, cos we're less about a fast striker running into space than we were before & more about intricate passing through the defence to create that space.
On top of that he's not being given a run in the side. No matter what type of striker you are, when you're not scoring you need a run of games to get it clicking again. He's not getting that.
Keep reassuring me that it's all about training and systems, and that it isn't also because Sturridge is broken and can't sprint as fast or as often as he used to.
Because I'm worried.
It probably won't matter either way.
If it's a culmination of injuries & he's fucked permanently, we won't know til he gets a regular starting place & proves it over time, which won't happen here unless two of our current front three get injured & klopp has to play him.
If it's the training & system problem, then again we won't really find out until he moves somewhere else.
There's always a chance he gets a cup game, fucking demolishes the opposition & makes it impossible to leave him out of the next game I suppose, that's possible considering how often he used to score on his return to the side following injury in the past, but it's looking less & less likely every game he plays.
If it's a culmination of injuries & he's fucked permanently, we won't know til he gets a regular starting place & proves it over time, which won't happen here unless two of our current front three get injured & klopp has to play him.
If it's the training & system problem, then again we won't really find out until he moves somewhere else.
There's always a chance he gets a cup game, fucking demolishes the opposition & makes it impossible to leave him out of the next game I suppose, that's possible considering how often he used to score on his return to the side following injury in the past, but it's looking less & less likely every game he plays.
Hmm. It does seem a question of when, rather than if, Sturridge leaves Liverpool. Given he has only started about 32 games out of the last 160 odd, it's not like we'd be missing much, and I say that as a huuuuge fan of him.
But if it means we get a top quality striker who is a great finisher and can also play the way Klopp wants, and has his trust, then fair enough. He's the boss.
Yeah. It's inevitable it seems.
I'm torn cos I love the way he plays, at his best, he's an incredible striker.
However despite him working his nuts off when he does play, he doesn't improve the team as much as Firmino does when he plays, yet isn't scoring the goals that would make you overlook that.
Then you watch us with our usual frontline & see us miss chance after chance that you KNOW a striker would finish at least every other time & wonder again why he's not playing.
A top class striker who can work his bollocks off & also score those goals would be ideal. That lad with the buck teeth at Real Madrid would do nicely.
Yep. That's probably what is colouring my judgement. It's so hard to tell. Although some recent comments by Owen himself would suggest that there was a physical and mental deterioration, in that he wasn't the same player, and made it worse by holding himself back in case he made it worse, or confirmed it to himself that he didn't have the acceleration and pace of his youth anymore.
It's the early - and now obvious in hindsight - decline of players like Owen that makes some of the more hard-nosed calls for simply cutting loose players with long-term recurring injuries make sense.
It's hard when you look at those players in their peak (Owen and Sturridge at their best make a Youtube showreel of the very highest quality) and cling on to the (not always unfair or unlikely) hop they can get back to that level. But often, you're waiting, and paying wages for, a player who will never return.
God that was a bit gloomy.
That's fair sir.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...opps-liverpool
This bit if true maybe highlights why Klopp is reluctant to play Sturridge more
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{td}Klopp places huge importance on winning the ball back high up the pitch. It's fundamental to his philosophy of counter-pressing. Sturridge doesn't do it well. Indeed, there isn't much evidence that he has embraced it at all. Remarkably, the forward is yet to make a single tackle in 348 minutes of Premier League football this season.{/td}
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This bit if true maybe highlights why Klopp is reluctant to play Sturridge more
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It's hard to figure out from afar exactly what the deal is with this whole Sturridge situation. He looks a far cry from the player that would come back and look pretty good for a game or two before getting injured again nevermind the player that looked so effortlessly great for those first 12-18 months.
And that's the most bewildering part. The thing that always stood out for me with Sturridge wasn't the goals but the effortlessness of his game. His first touch, perfect. Control, perfect. Time on the ball, not a problem, defenders were made to wait whilst he decided what he wanted to do. It's very rare to see someone able to play on his own terms like that.
In the past when he came back after a long lay off he'd still look the same player. Now it's like he's lost his mojo. He looks unsure of himself and the immaculate first touch and control he used to have seem to have deserted him.
The question of whether it's gone for good is probably in a large part dependent on his physical condition.
If he's lost his acceleration / pace and that's feeding into his overall mindset, I'd be inclined to say that he's done and the decision to let him go becomes easier. If that's not the case then obviously it presents more of a dilemma.
Either way, it's looking increasingly like we won't end up finding out on Liverpool's dime because Klopp seems pretty unwilling to bet the teams success on Sturridges.
And that's the most bewildering part. The thing that always stood out for me with Sturridge wasn't the goals but the effortlessness of his game. His first touch, perfect. Control, perfect. Time on the ball, not a problem, defenders were made to wait whilst he decided what he wanted to do. It's very rare to see someone able to play on his own terms like that.
In the past when he came back after a long lay off he'd still look the same player. Now it's like he's lost his mojo. He looks unsure of himself and the immaculate first touch and control he used to have seem to have deserted him.
The question of whether it's gone for good is probably in a large part dependent on his physical condition.
If he's lost his acceleration / pace and that's feeding into his overall mindset, I'd be inclined to say that he's done and the decision to let him go becomes easier. If that's not the case then obviously it presents more of a dilemma.
Either way, it's looking increasingly like we won't end up finding out on Liverpool's dime because Klopp seems pretty unwilling to bet the teams success on Sturridges.
If that stat is accurate then that's blatantly the reason he's not playing and I'm OK with that
Remember when I said we should sell Sturridge and he didn't fit Klopp's style?
Well it hasn't changed.
We should have cashed in over the summer. His value is dropping week by week.
Well it hasn't changed.
We should have cashed in over the summer. His value is dropping week by week.
Actually I think to the contrary, before clubs would have doubts over his fitness now those doubts are being dispelled and even if he is not the player he was he would still be picked up for a decent fee, since the market has risen exponentially with the increased PL prize money.
If Klopp places such huge importance on winning the ball back high up the pitch............."GIVE INGS A GAME FFS!"
Yep it didn't hurt Benteke
Yeh it's not looking good for Daniel at the moment, but I haven't given up hope yet. If we could find a way of integrating him into the current system and style of play, he'd score a hatful. The skill is still there, with less explosiveness, sadly. Can't see him usurping Firmino though, who's just a superb player and probably the first name on the team sheet at the moment.
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