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It’s all about the money

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So Chelsea's squad stronger than ours because they could bring Pedro off the bench when their ordinary attack is struggling for a goal whereas unfortunately we have no options because one of the best attacks in Europe is already on the pitch already?

The attack has been kept out plenty of times this season by teams sitting back, and if that happens a couple more times and we drop out the top four, then it's likely that two thirds of that attack will duly declare their admiration for madrid and barcelona.
 
The attack has been kept out plenty of times this season by teams sitting back, and if that happens a couple more times and we drop out the top four, then it's likely that two thirds of that attack will duly declare their admiration for madrid and barcelona.
And has Chelsea's not?
 
Our squads deeper than both Spurs or Arsenal, and arguably it's on a par with Chelsea.

True but I think our squad is on par with Chelsea only because they went full Commoli and spent between 240 to 300 million on Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Rudiger, Zappacosta, Giroud, Barkley, Emerson in the last two transfer windows while selling their best striker on a cut price deal. Their squad is poor for the outlay.
 
Because I have the audacity to offer the benefit of the doubt in the season we've broken our transfer record three times?

And got shitloads more back. Everyone is breaking records at the moment. What matters is whether we're trying to keep up. Our net spend over the past five years shows that the lizards have managed to brainwash you.

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Spent less that The Ev, Bournemouth, Watford, West Brom, West Ham, Palace... over 5 years. For fuck's sake. Get your head round it. We're being rinsed.
 
I agree with parts of that, but the lizards do reinvest in the squad. We've spent the 4th most money in the league. Enough to be competitive for top 4, but not enough to win the league.
I highly doubt we'll have a positive net spend this summer.
But it will be interesting to see how much Klopp can spend.

The lizards have also built a new main stand, are about to build a new training complex for 50 mill £ and are looking to expand Annie Road.
In all honesty I think they're doing a good job now, after a very rough start.
 
The new stand and infrastructure spending has been eclipsed by the asset value growth, so that's not in the same conversation. If it was I'd be asking them to spend the billion they've made since they've been here.
 
No doubt that they could spend a lot more money. We're loaded. But when you think a few years back and we had Hicks and Gillette in charge and a stadium that never was intended to be built and owl face as our manager, we're in quite a sound position now with the expansion, training complex and a World class manager that most teams would love to have.

I'd like them to show some more ambition this summer though and spend a shitload for the targets Klopp wants, and go for the title.
Our transfer strategy and scouting seem to finally be working and working in tandem with the manager.
 
You're conflating the positivity brought about by Salah with FSG. Imagine he didn't exceed all expectations and merely had a good first season.. we'd be 5th/6th and you'd be issuing death threats against the lizards. It's a fine line.
 
You're conflating the positivity brought about by Salah with FSG. Imagine he didn't exceed all expectations and merely had a good first season.. we'd be 5th/6th and you'd be issuing death threats against the lizards. It's a fine line.

It is. It works both ways though - if we stopped getting these types of players every other season and selling later down the line our net spend would be much higher.

It’s a tough one. I don’t know to what extent we can spend more but last summer was a bit of a joke. Hopefully we do it right this time round.
 
Henry needs to give Klopp access to the money and make a gigantic investment into the team, or we'll continue to win fuck all. Like we've won fuck all since he took over.

Outside of City and Utd who are super rich we've invested as much as anyone.

You can't blame Henry for the two finals we've lost or the cup exits we've made this year.
 
Outside of City and Utd who are super rich we've invested as much as anyone.

You can't blame Henry for the two finals we've lost or the cup exits we've made this year.
Woland posted a chart showing that's not the case over the last 5 years
 
Lets face it, the only reason we've spent big under Henry is by selling. Our net spend is fuck all and without big sales, there would have been a bigger outcry about our spending.

We haven't done ourselves any favours at times in the transfer market, but mistakes and panic buys happen when your hands are tied. Which leads to longer rebuilding, more impatient star players who go and a distinct lack of success.

Our problem has repeatedly been a failure to capitalise quickly on positions of strength.
 
Outside of City and Utd who are super rich we've invested as much as anyone.

You can't blame Henry for the two finals we've lost or the cup exits we've made this year.

He hasn't invested anything, he's reinvested revenue to the tune spent, he hasn't invested any profits.

And yes you can apportion blame to him on those last points, a bigger/better squad might have pushed us the extra yard.
 
Henry bought us for what 300 million? It’s worth 1.5 billion now or something like that. They invested about 200 million in the new main stand and are operating at a net gain in player acquisitions. In theory he could have leveraged the paper gain and spent a billion quid on players and still be “even” in terms of his investment value.
 
He's running us like a sensible business, which is a perfectly acceptable way of running a club with minimal aspirations

We do occasionally need to spend big without selling big
 
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