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Is this the reason behind the lack of 'bargain' signings?

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King Binny

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[article]Rodgers knows what he's talking about, he was the man who tried to make Van Dijk take the leap straight to Anfield when he was in charge at Liverpool.

The Northern Irishman believes talent will shine through and at the age of just 20, Dembele has already shown he is destined for a huge future.

“It’s about where the player is at, at the time of their ability," he said. “Virgil van Dijk could have jumped from Celtic to a Liverpool. Some clubs will want to see the players tested at certain arenas first.

“But if there is enough belief in the player then that counts. The key for scouting is trying to predict when the player is peaking.

“You could see with Van Dijk that he was quick, strong, good on the ball and decent in the air.

“So what more do you need to see? You could see him playing international football and, okay, clubs may want to see him in Champions League.

“Wanyama left and then made the jump but he was a good player at Celtic, showing up well in the Champions League.

“There is maybe an issue with scouts.

“When I was at Liverpool I asked about van Dijk and he was at Groningen and then at Celtic. But I was told he wouldn’t be for us at the time.”[/article]
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport..._straight_from_Celtic_to_England__39_s_elite/
 
also just cause it's my favourite Rodgers quote:

“It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us,” said manager Brendan Rodgers. “They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful. [Sunderland had just beaten Swansea 2-0]
 
Maybe he indeed wanted van Dijk. But I'd love to know about the other signings he couldnt have that havent been mentioned yet.
Maybe they removed that privilege after the signing of Borini...
 
Actually my focus wasn't so much on Rodgers-van Dijk (since managers/DoF tend to big up their near-success stories) but more on "“It’s about where the player is at, at the time of their ability" and "Some clubs will want to see the players tested at certain arenas first."

I guess that's nothing new (which kind of explains how the likes of Kante slipped through the big club's radar) but perhaps a little more (sensible) gamble can be taken (esp. since we don't have the financial power of some of the other big clubs)?
 
King Binny said:
Actually my focus wasn't so much on Rodgers-van Dijk (since managers/DoF tend to big up their near-success stories) but more on "“It’s about where the player is at, at the time of their ability" and "Some clubs will want to see the players tested at certain arenas first."

I guess that's nothing new (which kind of explains how the likes of Kante slipped through the big club's radar) but perhaps a little more (sensible) gamble can be taken (esp. since we don't have the financial power of some of the other big clubs)?
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The likes of Sevilla are generally clubs that are at peace with their place in the grand scheme of things and as such can focus on a single strategy.

Liverpool, as a club, is not. The head knows that we're not an elite club and we need to change to succeed long-term but the heart struggles to accept it.

It feels like that's why we get caught between taking gambles on potential like Coutinho and spending 20M on players like Lovren.
 
HC said:
also just cause it's my favourite Rodgers quote:

“It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us,” said manager Brendan Rodgers. “They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful. [Sunderland had just beaten Swansea 2-0]
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Did he really say that? Hahahahahahaha! Incredible.
 
keniget said:
The likes of Sevilla are generally clubs that are at peace with their place in the grand scheme of things and as such can focus on a single strategy.

Liverpool, as a club, is not. The head knows that we're not an elite club and we need to change to succeed long-term but the heart struggles to accept it.

It feels like that's why we get caught between taking gambles on potential like Coutinho and spending 20M on players like Lovren.
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Yeah, that's fair enough, as is this bit of the quote:

"Some clubs will want to see the players tested at certain arenas first. But if there is enough belief in the player then that counts. The key for scouting is trying to predict when the player is peaking. You could see with Van Dijk that he was quick, strong, good on the ball and decent in the air.

So what more do you need to see? You could see him playing international football and, okay, clubs may want to see him in Champions League".

For any further proof of this mindset, just read through the Mane thread when we were first linked.
 
yeah he did, you'd think that'd be a clear winner in the ridiculous Rogerisms' stakes but there is an absolute wealth of retarded quotes and bits he has amassed over the years
 
[article]
Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers wants to win Scottish Premiership by 50 points and seeks 'relentless' high standards

Brendan Rodgers has admitted he wants to win the title by 50 points, such is his voracious desire to drive up standards of performance at Celtic.

He said: ‘I’m not saying there were never good standards here. Celtic over the last five seasons have won. But what I’ve tried to do since I came in is raise the standard on every level. ‘Could we win in the best possible way that we can? So you can save money and win by ten points. Or can you spend money and win by 30? Well, I want to win by 50 if I can.’

With the title a formality and his team now in the quarter-finals of the Scottish Cup, Celtic are effectively three games away from the Treble. ‘I said to the players before the game that the Scottish Cup is synonymous with Celtic’ added Rodgers. ‘Thirty-six times the club has won the trophy. We want to make it 37.

‘Celtic is a winning club,’ he added. ‘But there are two ways to win; either you just do enough and win. Or you do everything you can to win the very best way you can. ‘My only way is to win in the best possible way. Entertain the supporters, make people enjoy it, make the players enjoy their work... and win as often as you can. ‘And I want to keep pushing the bar and keep it being the best we can be on and off the field. Can we get better pitches? Can we improve Lennoxtown? Can we improve the stadium? ‘Those things come from success on the field. Coming in my early meetings with the board, they were very positive about that. They said: “Right, let’s get to the best that we can be. But sensibly”.’
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...endan-Rodgers-wants-win-league-50-points.html



He's literally an utter fool.
 
There's two ways to win, but the only way to win is to win the very best, sensible way you can.

Right. Thanks.
 
He seems to have found his level.

Bullying a shit league with by far thr best team.

I expect Rangers to wipe the floor with him soon enough though.
 
Whenever this kind of topic is brought up, someone usually says one of more of the following:

"Sami Hyypia"

"Alan Hansen/ Ian Rush signed from Partick Thistle/ Chester/ Home Farm/ wherever"

"We don't sign world class players, we make them"
 
Saying our scouts or the committee are bit shit isn't surprising. Hopefully Klopp and his team will improve this.
 
King Binny said:
[article]Rodgers knows what he's talking about, he was the man who tried to make Van Dijk take the leap straight to Anfield when he was in charge at Liverpool.

The Northern Irishman believes talent will shine through and at the age of just 20, Dembele has already shown he is destined for a huge future.

“It’s about where the player is at, at the time of their ability," he said. “Virgil van Dijk could have jumped from Celtic to a Liverpool. Some clubs will want to see the players tested at certain arenas first.

“But if there is enough belief in the player then that counts. The key for scouting is trying to predict when the player is peaking.

“You could see with Van Dijk that he was quick, strong, good on the ball and decent in the air.

“So what more do you need to see? You could see him playing international football and, okay, clubs may want to see him in Champions League.

“Wanyama left and then made the jump but he was a good player at Celtic, showing up well in the Champions League.

“There is maybe an issue with scouts.

“When I was at Liverpool I asked about van Dijk and he was at Groningen and then at Celtic. But I was told he wouldn’t be for us at the time.”[/article]
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport..._straight_from_Celtic_to_England__39_s_elite/
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I thought he had wanted Williams all along? And didn't we buy a raft of non-Premier-league proved players just recently? After splashing money on a Premier-league proved goalscorer before that?
 
In general I have been fond of our past managers and often have refrained from criticizing them when they leave. But one of the things which irk me about our past managers is that they point out players whom they wanted, did not get, but went on to be successful. There is a not so subtle message there, if only they listened to me more.

But the truth is unless we have a list of players whom they wanted, did not get, and flopped elsewhere, we cannot really gauge how good their transfer acumen is. And there is also the issue of players whom they wanted, got, and flopped.

Note sure why they do that. Houllier, Rafa, and Rodgers have a body of work at our club which they can be proud off. Houllier dropped some not so subtle hints about Essien. Rafa about Aguero. Not sure why they need to embellish it further using such statements.

I was too young for King Kenny as a player and his first stint as a manager. But one of the things which struck me about his second stint is that he never tried to pin the blame of his signings on anyone else, never made any insinuations about players he missed out on. Even when Commolli was sacked, King Kenny supported him.
 
If you can forget the man who said the words and just listen to what was just said then you should come to the conclusion that the reasoning is sound. We need to take those risks - and it is not like a 20M player will be as good as he was in the previous club because sometimes the money tag associated with that player is too much for them to handle. If everything that a player does is good despite the league he is in and he is also an international then the odds are that the player will maintain that form and progress in a better league.
 
Brendan's doing really well at Celtic. As they say, you can only beat what's put in front of you, and to his credit he's done far better than his recent predecessors, so it's not just a case of benefiting passively from a shite league. I do admit his propensity for leaping straight into egomania is showing itself again, but hey ho, this season he deserves all the plaudits he gets.
 
keniget said:
The likes of Sevilla are generally clubs that are at peace with their place in the grand scheme of things and as such can focus on a single strategy.

Liverpool, as a club, is not. The head knows that we're not an elite club and we need to change to succeed long-term but the heart struggles to accept it.

It feels like that's why we get caught between taking gambles on potential like Coutinho and spending 20M on players like Lovren.
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We're the seventh richest club in the world. I genuinely have no idea why people constantly forget this. It's like Sean Spicer is doing the lizard's PR
 
Woland said:
We're the seventh richest club in the world. I genuinely have no idea why people constantly forget this. It's like Sean Spicer is doing the lizard's PR
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This means we usually get seventh pick of the best players though. The Manchester and London clubs are generally ahead in the pecking order. I have no idea why people constantly forget this.
 
moron said:
If you can forget the man who said the words and just listen to what was just said then you should come to the conclusion that the reasoning is sound. We need to take those risks - and it is not like a 20M player will be as good as he was in the previous club because sometimes the money tag associated with that player is too much for them to handle. If everything that a player does is good despite the league he is in and he is also an international then the odds are that the player will maintain that form and progress in a better league.
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Yeah, I'm sure there were many who thought of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang as an AC Milan reject who was just scoring goals in a '2nd' class league for a top 6-8 side (Saint-Étienne). Marcos Alonso's English football experience was with Bolton in the Championship and a short loan spell at Sunderland. Ousmane Dembélé just made his professional debut the first team in Ligue 1 7 months ago before Dortmund signed him.

Hopefully Grujic will turn out to be one such bargain and we will unearth more along the way.
 
Woland said:
We're the seventh richest club in the world. I genuinely have no idea why people constantly forget this. It's like Sean Spicer is doing the lizard's PR
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I get that but the money we have is buying us Firmino and Lovren. Not players at the top end like Sanchez.

We have enough money to be lazy and think we can buy our way out of trouble but not enough money or pulling power to bring in the best.
 
The lizards are indeed part of the problem, but the point is still valid. We've got one of the most sought after managers around, and a prestigious club, but they're hardly lining up to sign for us, are they?
 
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