Is There Any Point In Dropping Players?

[manwithnoname]

The only thing i'd add to that is the best players will also be good no matter what the situation around them is.

Whereas the good and lesser ones need to be put in a position/ situation that suits them best.

We have too many of the latter - and the manager isn't putting them in the best position to succeed, so they aren't.

Yeah, really annoys me when you get certain shit players being defended for being shit, because they didn't have a perfect set of circumstances that allowed them to flourish.

I can genuinely recall one fucking retard talking about someone - might have been Lucas - who could only really thrive in a midfield three, with one player who was more mobile to help out defensively, and the other to contribute more to the attack.

Amazing, really.

 

[manwithnoname]

But is he a centre forward? He plays on the wing for Wales as well.

I know. I was getting quite confused last season when people were complaining that Klopp wasn't playing Woodburn in his right position, because he wasn't a winger, he was a striker.

Which he....er....doesn't seem to be either.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Players are never dropped only ever rested especially with the big clubs with big squads.

Though klopp does like to back a player even their performance’s have been dreadful.

 

[Silver Sean]

In answer to the OP's original question: Yes, if it's Karius. The useless self-obsessed nobend.

 

[Rosco]

That seems like a point worth expanding on.

Which players do you think should change roles and why?

When i said 'position to succeed' i wasn't really thinking of players changing roles i was more thinking of a change in approach that would hide the obvious frailties in our team (the back 4) - Klopp's system doesn't leave them any room for error. Give limited players, limited roles and don't ask too much of them. Our centre backs are limited - and we send the full backs bombing forwards at every opportunity and have no sitting midfielder.

But if we were going down that line of thinking Moreno is a standout candidate for me. He has always looked tidy on the ball and has good pace - whilst being a shit defender. We complained last season about how we were a different side without Mane's pace, now i probably need to stress for some of usual suspects that I'm not suggesting he can adequately replace Mane but simply having pace in the right areas of the team gives us more balance. Allowing us to stretch the field and keep us playing the exact same way - whereas last January we played Firmino or Lallana out there which suited neither and made us worse overall.
For me Moreno's best role is in an old school 4-4-2 wing spot where he wouldn't be asked to get on the score sheet regularly.

TAA is intriguing - he looks like he might be capable of playing anywhere. Pace, comfortable on the ball, great ball striker. I'd like to see more of him at full back for now though - where he makes use of all of those well. If he doesn't get up to speed in the Premiership defensively he'll fit in somewhere else.

Firmino is asked to lead the line and be a source of regular goals when i think it is fairly clear that is not to his strengths. He's a very good 10 playing off a better finisher in an ideal world.

Can is another one that i wonder about. Was his most consistent spell for us still the time he played in the back 3 ?

 

[moron]

To be honest - what choice do we have...Klopp is so far up Firminio's backside sometimes you cannot see Klopp. I get he does all the hard work but right now to be more solid I would seriously consider dropping him and just play Coutinho, Mane, and Salah, with three workhorses in midfield - Milner/Can, Henderson and Gini. That is your lot right now. Contrary to popular belief I don't think Firminio has any effect on our front three, and see hims as the bottleneck, and no I don't give a shit about his so called defensive work - I just think he is plain and simple:-

1) Shit
2) Lucas of the front.
3) What we paid for him back then I expected more and still do.

 

[keniget]

When i said 'position to succeed' i wasn't really thinking of players changing roles i was more thinking of a change in approach that would hide the obvious frailties in our team (the back 4) - Klopp's system doesn't leave them any room for error. Give limited players, limited roles and don't ask too much of them. Our centre backs are limited - and we send the full backs bombing forwards at every opportunity and have no sitting midfielder.

But if we were going down that line of thinking Moreno is a standout candidate for me. He has always looked tidy on the ball and has good pace - whilst being a shit defender. We complained last season about how we were a different side without Mane's pace, now i probably need to stress for some of usual suspects that I'm not suggesting he can adequately replace Mane but simply having pace in the right areas of the team gives us more balance. Allowing us to stretch the field and keep us playing the exact same way - whereas last January we played Firmino or Lallana out there which suited neither and made us worse overall.
For me Moreno's best role is in an old school 4-4-2 wing spot where he wouldn't be asked to get on the score sheet regularly.

TAA is intriguing - he looks like he might be capable of playing anywhere. Pace, comfortable on the ball, great ball striker. I'd like to see more of him at full back for now though - where he makes use of all of those well. If he doesn't get up to speed in the Premiership defensively he'll fit in somewhere else.

Firmino is asked to lead the line and be a source of regular goals when i think it is fairly clear that is not to his strengths. He's a very good 10 playing off a better finisher in an ideal world.

Can is another one that i wonder about. Was his most consistent spell for us still the time he played in the back 3 ?

I agree that we leave very little margin for error - we see that play out week in, week out - and the balance in the team isn't right and hasn't been for a good few years (which is a huge source of frustration).


We've gone all in on the floaty attacker types and it's hard to see anything that breaks up the current attack as a viable alternative because we don't have the players. I think for the most part we're playing everyone where they need to be.

Firmino isn't good or consistent enough to be a proper #10 and he's very limited out wide, which pretty much leaves the (false) #9 role.

Moreno's footballing intelligence is stretched to the limit when all he has to do is use his pace to gallop up and down the pitch so a switch further up the field would surely limit him. Plus playing with more traditional wingers would almost certainly mean we need to start with Solanke who is raw and needs time.

A better solution would be to adjust the tactics, as per your initial thinking, and try and balance things out a little better.... maybe there is something in trying a back 3 again. Both TAA and Moreno are better suited to wing back roles it feels and we could keep the front 4 where they currently are.