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Judge Jules

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My Juve-supporting Maltese cousin tells me it's been reported in Italy (in "La Stampa" if anyone wants to check) that Rafa's legal advisers met Juve representatives again yesterday, that he's told associates he's very tempted by what's on offer and that Juve expect him to be their manager come the end of the Prem season.
 
It'd be great if he left for Italy without us needing to fork out a huge pay off.

He's a good manager and it's a league that will suit him well, where draws are valued more highly. (Inter are on 66pts right now with 9 draws)
 
Terrier, I know what you mean, but this one was specifically referenced. Besides, I just checked it myself and it's true. My Italian's fairly basic but there's no doubt this is what the paper's saying.
 
It would be great if Rafa's Juventus contract included all his Spanish assistants, so we would save having to pay them compensation too! 🙂
 
he isn't a good manager. he'd be a good consultant to come in on any given day for a particular game. but he's too stupid too error prone and too much of a spineless coward to ever be a good manager
 
win win situation if true.

i have huge respect for him, sad that it did not work out here.

ynwa.
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39665.msg1082484#msg1082484 date=1270474819]
he isn't a good manager. he'd be a good consultant to come in on any given day for a particular game. but he's too stupid too error prone and too much of a spineless coward to ever be a good manager
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Bollocks. He's made mistakes but he's also got far too good a record to warrant that kind of cr@p. Wind your neck in.
 
He has made more mistakes, and too many of the same mistakes, for too long, to be a great manager

He has failed in England and everyone knows it

He has done well in one-off European games, but it really is time to say TFTCL...NFO
 
Agree to an extent, but dantes denies him even the description "good". Gatecrashing the dominance of the big two in La Liga and a top record in Europe (which seems to be largely what's attracted Juventus) entitle him to at least that much.
 
Probably a small fee or compensation. At this point I'd give him away for free though.
 
Purslow supposedly 'loves' Rafa, and has never been anything less than supportive; the supporters STILL fucking chant his name, so in his mind we're probably mostly on his side; and I don't honestly think he wants to leave because he still believes he can prove everyone wrong in England. IMO the negotiations with Juve are to pressure the owners into giving him more transfer funds. I really hope I'm wrong, but that's how it looks to me.
 
I think Purslow might try, but it wouldn't surprise me if Benitez fancied a change of scenery. It's absolutely clear he's lost the dressing room (if he ever had it).

I bet he'd do well in Italy anyway. Slow paced; technical players abundent (so it can't be that hard to sign them); obsessed with tactics... it will probably suit him better than Spain.
 
I tend to agree with that, and would add that Purslow's essentially the banks' placeman, so I reckon he'll make his dispositions regarding Rafa with the club's finances uppermost in his mind. It's true that he may see Rafa's continuing in post as a plus financially if we don't get an approach for Rafa from Juve or whoever (though I don't think even that is cut and dried if Purslow takes the long view) but, if we DO get such an approach, I think the whole dynamic will change and Purslow's attitude will change with it.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39665.msg1082505#msg1082505 date=1270479112]
but it really is time to say TFTCL...NFO
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*scratches head.....yeah, what he said!
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39665.msg1082505#msg1082505 date=1270479112]
but it really is time to say TFTCL...NFO
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*scratches head.....yeah, what he said!
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Thanks
For
The
Champions
League
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Now
Fuck
Off
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082508#msg1082508 date=1270479418]
Agree to an extent, but dantes denies him even the description "good". Gatecrashing the dominance of the big two in La Liga and a top record in Europe (which seems to be largely what's attracted Juventus) entitle him to at least that much.
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with a bunch of underdogs, you'd expect him to convince them to stick to his instructions and get results against superior teams. with superior players however, you need to ensure they are motivated to play for you and he fails to do it. we need to win five games and after his decision to fuck off torres and gerrard, he's just made it impossible

cos his solution has been to fuck off top players for the sake of mediocre ones (either by transfers, subsitutions, team selections anything), so that rafael benitez can carry on doing what he is good at... employ his tactics. to hide his own faults he is making bad decisions. buying really bad players. so for that he's not entitled to be called a good manager, that to me is the definition of a bad manager
 
Let me see if I read that right. Rafa's deliberately making bad decisions, including alienating or even getting rid of his best players? And he's doing it to HIDE his faults?

Have you taken your medicine today?
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39665.msg1082556#msg1082556 date=1270488879]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082508#msg1082508 date=1270479418]
Agree to an extent, but dantes denies him even the description "good". Gatecrashing the dominance of the big two in La Liga and a top record in Europe (which seems to be largely what's attracted Juventus) entitle him to at least that much.
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with a bunch of underdogs, you'd expect him to convince them to stick to his instructions and get results against superior teams. with superior players however, you need to ensure they are motivated to play for you and he fails to do it. we need to win five games and after his decision to fuck off torres and gerrard, he's just made it impossible

cos his solution has been to fuck off top players for the sake of mediocre ones (either by transfers, subsitutions, team selections anything), so that rafael benitez can carry on doing what he is good at... employ his tactics. to hide his own faults he is making bad decisions. buying really bad players. so for that he's not entitled to be called a good manager, that to me is the definition of a bad manager
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If it were that easy, crap teams would be regularly getting results against Utd. and Chelsea. I'm no Rafa sympathiser, but to say that he's not at least a good manager, is ridiculous.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
Let me see if I read that right.
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do you even realise what you've gone on to ask me? what are you thinking, that oh its only dantes let me put him down, i'll just say any old bollocks to exert my superior intellect and knowledge.


[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
Rafa's deliberately making bad decisions, including alienating or even getting rid of his best players?
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So what are you trying to say with that. that rafa doesn't deliberate over his decisions? good point captain genius...

Or the other possibility is you think his decisions are in fact good ones, which again speaks for itself

Or else you disagree that our best players have been alienated or sold, which speaks for itself too but i'm not sure you'll listen. Lucas is rubbish, a liability, plays like a coward, no assists no goals gives away free kicks, loses the ball. No matter he get's played in his best position week after week and is undropable. Gerrard, the best midfielder in the world at the time gets shunted around from position to position, criticsed, and antagonized, and made to consider leaving twice. Oh wait, maybe that was an accident. Alonso was another accident. Riera. Babel. Riise. Bellamy. Who am I missing. Keane. Keane is played out of position, a 20m striker, stuck on the left wing. Yet n'gog get's games consistently up front despite being useless. That's an accident too of course. What about all the players that get dropped as soon as they play well. Shit for months, but god forbid you play well you're on the bench son. The bullshit he spouted about aquilani over the last few months is even more of a joke, coming from a man that picks lucas in his first eleven its fucking not good management.

Can you give me one reason why keane played better under redknapp than he did under benitez? why is that? here's a clue, it's not because benitez is a good manager

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
And he's doing it to HIDE his faults?
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His fault is he can't motivate players, so instead he sent on n'gog who follows his instructions (with him being too useless to risk doing otherwise) and so benitez can now explain the draw/defeat by a tactical analysis and so "prepare the next game" accordingly. The same for lucas. Meanwhile the actual reason we lost is because torres and gerrard are not motivated enough to rip apart inferior teams the way rooney or drogba do for good managers.


[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
Have you taken your medicine today?
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That should have been funnier
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39665.msg1082556#msg1082556 date=1270488879]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082508#msg1082508 date=1270479418]
Agree to an extent, but dantes denies him even the description "good". Gatecrashing the dominance of the big two in La Liga and a top record in Europe (which seems to be largely what's attracted Juventus) entitle him to at least that much.
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with a bunch of underdogs, you'd expect him to convince them to stick to his instructions and get results against superior teams. with superior players however, you need to ensure they are motivated to play for you and he fails to do it. we need to win five games and after his decision to fuck off torres and gerrard, he's just made it impossible

cos his solution has been to fuck off top players for the sake of mediocre ones (either by transfers, subsitutions, team selections anything), so that rafael benitez can carry on doing what he is good at... employ his tactics. to hide his own faults he is making bad decisions. buying really bad players. so for that he's not entitled to be called a good manager, that to me is the definition of a bad manager
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If it were that easy, crap teams would be regularly getting results against Utd. and Chelsea. I'm no Rafa sympathiser, but to say that he's not at least a good manager, is ridiculous.


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and saying a good manager still consistently makes bad decisions is ridiculous. if that were the case then what's a bad manager
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39665.msg1082591#msg1082591 date=1270496060]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
Let me see if I read that right.
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do you even realise what you've gone on to ask me? what are you thinking, that oh its only dantes let me put him down, i'll just say any old bollocks to exert my superior intellect and knowledge.


[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
Rafa's deliberately making bad decisions, including alienating or even getting rid of his best players?
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So what are you trying to say with that. that rafa doesn't deliberate over his decisions? good point captain genius...

Or the other possibility is you think his decisions are in fact good ones, which again speaks for itself

Or else you disagree that our best players have been alienated or sold, which speaks for itself too but i'm not sure you'll listen. Lucas is rubbish, a liability, plays like a coward, no assists no goals gives away free kicks, loses the ball. No matter he get's played in his best position week after week and is undropable. Gerrard, the best midfielder in the world at the time gets shunted around from position to position, criticsed, and antagonized, and made to consider leaving twice. Oh wait, maybe that was an accident. Alonso was another accident. Riera. Babel. Riise. Bellamy. Who am I missing. Keane. Keane is played out of position, a 20m striker, stuck on the left wing. Yet n'gog get's games consistently up front despite being useless. That's an accident too of course. What about all the players that get dropped as soon as they play well. Shit for months, but god forbid you play well you're on the bench son. The bullshit he spouted about aquilani over the last few months is even more of a joke, coming from a man that picks lucas in his first eleven its fucking not good management.

Can you give me one reason why keane played better under redknapp than he did under benitez? why is that? here's a clue, it's not because benitez is a good manager

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
And he's doing it to HIDE his faults?
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His fault is he can't motivate players, so instead he sent on n'gog who follows his instructions (with him being too useless to risk doing otherwise) and so benitez can now explain the draw/defeat by a tactical analysis and so "prepare the next game" accordingly. The same for lucas. Meanwhile the actual reason we lost is because torres and gerrard are not motivated enough to rip apart inferior teams the way rooney or drogba do for good managers.


[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39665.msg1082565#msg1082565 date=1270491103]
Have you taken your medicine today?
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That should have been funnier
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It's not you I was aiming at, sunshine, it's your crackpot post. All your huffing and puffing isn't going to disguise the fact that your accusation, which you're now trying to slide out of, was that Rafa deliberately made his decisions poor ones, in some perverted attempt to cover up for his other faults. I've said many, many times that Rafa's made mistakes, but someone who holds up his treatment of Keane - who's been naffed off out of Tottenham too, in case you hadn't noticed - as an example of those mistakes really isn't best placed to judge.
 
It's not you I was aiming at, sunshine, it's your crackpot post. All your huffing and puffing isn't going to disguise the fact that your accusation, which you're now trying to slide out of, was that Rafa deliberately made his decisions poor ones, in some perverted attempt to cover up for his other faults. I've said many, many times that Rafa's made mistakes, but someone who holds up his treatment of Keane - who's been naffed off out of Tottenham too, in case you hadn't noticed - as an example of those mistakes really isn't best placed to judge.


you're mistaken i'm not sliding anywhere. replacing torres with n'gog is a poor decision. benitez wasn't forced to do this, he chose to. because benitez wants n'gog there instead of torres. i don't believe benitez' excuse that torres was exhausted. he shook his head when gerrard asked him, so you think torres can't tell whether he was exhausted? bullshit.

torres was playing badly because he was not motivated and up for it. he was mentally exhausted. benitez bringing on n'gog hides the fact that he can't do anything about it
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39665.msg1082598#msg1082598 date=1270497528]
Haha, dantes on *fire*
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i borrowed some of your expressions. so in case they backfired i would have blamed you to hide my own faults
 
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