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In six months, the Benitez era will seem like a golden age

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A fairly balanced article:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-2173371.html

In six months, the Benitez era will seem like a golden age

In the dressing room and on the balance sheet, Liverpool have fallen over the edge, writes Dion Fanning

Sunday May 09 2010

I f Liverpool thought this season was bad, the summer may have them looking back wistfully. The release of their latest financial figures might shake some sense into those who think that Rafael Benitez's possible departure will make things better. Liverpool, as the figures show, are in great peril. In six months, the Benitez era will seem like a golden age.

The idea that Jose Mourinho can be parachuted in to save the club should crash up against the reality of these numbers. For the second successive year, the auditors, KPMG, expressed "material uncertainty" about Liverpool's ability to continue as a going concern.

The new chairman Martin Broughton has had to appear before the Premier League to give a guarantee, which had to be backed up by the banks, that Liverpool will be able to fulfil their fixtures next season (anyone who saw Liverpool's performance in Portsmouth this season may question if that guarantee was given last season). Yet some people cling to the view that Liverpool need simply to sign a new full-back. There is no quick-fix for Liverpool. There may be no slow-fix either.

This weekend, it does not seem as inevitable that Benitez will leave. At this stage, the decay has affected him so profoundly that it would be no bad thing for him to go. At the very least, his departure would allow those who criticise his management to understand slowly what he was up against. Alan Curbishley won't be able to do much better.

On Friday, an internet campaign launched by a Liverpool forum resulted in journalists receiving hundreds of emails from supporters backing Benitez. It is customary for their loyalty to be applauded slightly patronisingly at this point before asking at what other club would a manager be backed in this way?

Benitez earned their loyalty by providing as magical a night as any Liverpool fan has experienced in Istanbul, defying Chelsea in the semi-final and challenging for the title last season. He earned their loyalty by being misunderstood, as Liverpool people feel they are, and he earned their devotion by rumbling Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

So when they chant his name or send an email, they are not displaying blind devotion. They are acknowledging the complications of managing a club that has no future until things change and recognising that Benitez has, imperfectly, managed until this season somehow to keep Liverpool competitive.

Once Liverpool's players started spinning about the race for fourth and once Benitez started talking about how the value of the club had increased during his time at Anfield, then things were destined to unravel. That was not Benitez's racket. At his best, he felt no need to point to his record because he didn't respect the people who were looking it up.

They were wrong about everything: wrong about his transfer record, wrong about rotation, wrong about how often he rested Torres. Yet they never shut up and they wore Benitez down. The reasons Rafael Benitez is no longer the right manager for Liverpool are exactly the same as the reasons he was such a successful manager of Liverpool. His stubbornness allowed him to ignore the voices that told him he should buy Michael Owen or play Steven Gerrard in his "favoured" central midfield position.

Then he became distracted and demented by the financial position and gaining control. His attempt to sell Xabi Alonso was a disaster -- not because Alonso was in sparkling form and it made no sense -- but because his return to form was achieved not by coaxing the best from him but by instilling a sense of resentment that made his departure inevitable.

One of the key tenets of Benitez's philosophy is that he does not get close to the players. There is nothing wrong with that but it works best if the manager does not hold resentments if the players react to that distance, as Alonso did. The sadness in the fracturing of the relationship with the player once known as 'Son of Rafa' was compounded when, having taken the biggest risk of his career at Liverpool, Benitez barely saw any of the transfer fee.

Instead, he was forced to gamble on a fragile player like Alberto Aquilani and the pressure was on once it quickly became apparent that the title would not be achieved as many had expected. Benitez had been exhausted by the battles he had to fight. He was contaminated by the bullshit coming down the line and the players appear to have had enough.

Just as his success masked the dysfunction of the regime he was employed by, his failures have hidden them too. Benitez took on Hicks and Gillett and paid the price: not the loss of his job but the loss of his vision of what the team should be. Like all obsessives, he is always at risk of losing touch with reality.

Liverpool, out of the top four and with their most glorious footballer Fernando Torres agonising over his future, have more chance of sinking further next season than they do of reclaiming a Champions League place.

Torres is not bigger than the club, the old cliché that may yet be used by the accountants this summer after he makes an impact on the balance sheet, but there is a strong case to be made that it stands or falls with him right now. For many reasons, Torres is no ordinary footballer. He is loyal and curious about his surroundings. His talent ensured he would be a favourite at Liverpool, but his heart quickly bound him to Anfield. His disillusionment, not about last season, but about the future, is likely to see him leave in the summer. Even if the banks were to allow Liverpool to replace him, he is irreplaceable.

Broughton has announced that Liverpool do not need to sell him to service their debts but when £85m has been paid in interest since 2007, the needs of the money men can sometimes become insatiable.

Torres will have his choices and he may decide, despite their failure to qualify for the Champions League, that Manchester City are the best option. Certainly, they can offer a challenge in the future that Liverpool cannot. If they could persuade Torres then it would be a spectacular announcement of their intentions which could speak even louder than qualification for the Champions League.

Liverpool are being squeezed by teams who have been allowed to build and clubs that have not been so badly run. Tottenham's progress has been through shrewd investment and the acquisition of a squad that Liverpool can only envy. Peter Crouch might have stayed at Liverpool if he had been offered a contract that would have made his time on the bench bearable. Instead, he ended up at Spurs, along with Robbie Keane, who played no more time at Tottenham than he did at Liverpool but nobody seemed to notice before he headed off to Glasgow.

City and Spurs are ready to replace Liverpool. They have energy, ambition and new ideas. Liverpool are just trying to make it through the night. They have been ripped from their community by the decision of David Moores to sell the club to Hicks and Gillett. The desire of supporters to see the club return to ownership they understand has now been replaced by the pressing urgency to find somebody to rescue them.

There was a time when Moores and Rick Parry (who received a pay-off of £3m, the latest accounts revealed) searched the world looking for new investment. Moores could have borrowed on the club to build a new stadium instead of selling to the Americans, who were borrowing on the club to buy it, and Liverpool would be in a better position today. Instead, he made a rash decision and a poor business one for him and for Liverpool.

Those were the good days when the world felt it could trust people like Hicks and Gillett. Because there were so many of them, they must be doing something right.

Last week's accounts showed Liverpool's loss was 34 per cent worse than 2008's figure as £40.1m went on servicing the club's £351.4m debt to Royal Bank of Scotland and US firm Wachovia. These loans have been extended until the sale but the club is now, according to KPMG, "dependent on short-term facility extensions". They are living hand to mouth. And yet they claim that Torres doesn't need to be sold. They do not need to sell him, much as a wino doesn't need a bed for the night.

It is worth noting that the accounts were taken in a good year for Liverpool, a run in the Champions League and second in the league. Next year, if there is a next year, things will be worse.

But still they blame the manager. Benitez is said to be torn about his departure. A number of senior players would be happy to see him go and a number would prefer if he stayed. His management style is undoubtedly wearing on players but Liverpool aren't faced with too many alternatives.

Few managers will be tempted in the summer to join a club which may not still have owners and has no money. Martin O'Neill is the only candidate who appeals, especially if he feels he has done as much as he can at Aston Villa. Liverpool may not end up like Leeds but there is every indication they could end up like Newcastle, who, unlike Liverpool, had a stadium that gave them the revenue to compete. Liverpool have nothing, not even freedom, as that isn't afforded to the indebted.

The days of standing on the edge of the abyss are over, Liverpool have fallen over the edge. Benitez seems reluctant not to fall with them. He staked his reputation on the club and he found that even when it plummeted, he didn't want to give it all up.

He has been promised riches and finances at Juventus but still he hesitates. He is bound by something more. He is a flawed hero but history will see his management as no less heroic for the reality that it was doomed.

Sunday Independent
 
So, everyone who has EVER doubted Rafa at all is wrong, and barely making the UEFA Cup (which a relegated club may also do) with a squad containing Reina, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres (who would ALL walk onto ANY starting XI, anywhere) is actually a managerial masterstroke..?

I see. Thanks for that, Dion.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=40155.msg1101768#msg1101768 date=1273410374]
So, everyone who has EVER doubted Rafa at all is wrong, and barely making the UEFA Cup (which a relegated club may also do) with a squad containing Reina, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres (who would ALL walk onto ANY starting XI, anywhere) is actually a managerial masterstroke..?

I see. Thanks for that, Dion.
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Quite. We're all wrong, all we need now is someone to ask us we've got any coaching badges.
 
Actually don't think it's that bad an article.

At the end of the day, the poition we're in now means realistic replacements for Benitez are artin O'Neil, Alan Curbishly, Steve McLaren, Alex mcLeish & Roy Hodgson.

They'll do no better that Benitez with an uninterested Gerrard, injured Torres, disaffected Mascherano, despite the world class keeper.

Benitez has made many mistakes, and a change in manager may very well be warranted, but a change in manager alone is not necessarily going to bring about a reversal of fortune.
 
Theres no guarantee gerrard will be uninterested if we get a new manager in. Or masch will be unhappy with it either. Just because they're british doesn't mean they cannot motivate
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40155.msg1101778#msg1101778 date=1273411129]
Actually don't think it's that bad an article.

At the end of the day, the poition we're in now means realistic replacements for Benitez are artin O'Neil, Alan Curbishly, Steve McLaren, Alex mcLeish & Roy Hodgson.

They'll do no better that Benitez with an uninterested Gerrard, injured Torres, disaffected Mascherano, despite the world class keeper.

Benitez has made many mistakes, and a change in manager may very well be warranted, but a change in manager alone is not necessarily going to bring about a reversal of fortune.
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mistake? are you kidding me look at our squad and look at the results we've got. that's not a mistake its a fucking pathetic useless retarded manager. he deserves no sympathy, hero my fucking arse. he's a fool.

answer me this... how does our bank balance cause us to lose 20 games this season? it didn't. the moron of a manger, his dumb team selections and his cowardly tactics have.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40155.msg1101778#msg1101778 date=1273411129]
Actually don't think it's that bad an article.

At the end of the day, the poition we're in now means realistic replacements for Benitez are artin O'Neil, Alan Curbishly, Steve McLaren, Alex mcLeish & Roy Hodgson.

They'll do no better that Benitez with an uninterested Gerrard, injured Torres, disaffected Mascherano, despite the world class keeper.

Benitez has made many mistakes, and a change in manager may very well be warranted, but a change in manager alone is not necessarily going to bring about a reversal of fortune.
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MON has taken a squad worse than ours and out-performed us in every avenue possible. I don't think I need to argue that Roy H has frigged Rafa this season so, after all that, where are we going?
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40155.msg1101778#msg1101778 date=1273411129]

MON has taken a squad worse than ours and out-performed us in every avenue possible. I don't think I need to argue that Roy H has frigged Rafa this season so, after all that, where are we going?
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Um... I disagree... No silverware at villa park, and we are only 2pts off them now...

Our season has been blighted by injuries yet the worse we will be is 2pts off them....

Not to mention MON has had more money to spend the last 2 seasons...
 
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=40155.msg1101829#msg1101829 date=1273415132]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40155.msg1101778#msg1101778 date=1273411129]

MON has taken a squad worse than ours and out-performed us in every avenue possible. I don't think I need to argue that Roy H has frigged Rafa this season so, after all that, where are we going?
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Um... I disagree... No silverware at villa park, and we are only 2pts off them now...

Our season has been blighted by injuries yet the worse we will be is 2pts off them....

Not to mention MON has had more money to spend the last 2 seasons...
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errrrr.....
 
Net spent over the last 3 years....

1 Manchester City £262m

2 Tottenham Hotspur £76m

3 Aston Villa £64m

4 Manchester Utd £33m

5 Liverpool £27m

6 Chelsea £25m

7 Arsenal Profit +£22m
 
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=40155.msg1101829#msg1101829 date=1273415132]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40155.msg1101778#msg1101778 date=1273411129]
Actually don't think it's that bad an article.

At the end of the day, the poition we're in now means realistic replacements for Benitez are artin O'Neil, Alan Curbishly, Steve McLaren, Alex mcLeish & Roy Hodgson.

They'll do no better that Benitez with an uninterested Gerrard, injured Torres, disaffected Mascherano, despite the world class keeper.

Benitez has made many mistakes, and a change in manager may very well be warranted, but a change in manager alone is not necessarily going to bring about a reversal of fortune.
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MON has taken a squad worse than ours and out-performed us in every avenue possible. I don't think I need to argue that Roy H has frigged Rafa this season so, after all that, where are we going?



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F**ks sake.. are you really trying to argue that O'Neil & Hodgson are better managers than Benitez, based on one season.

It's a shit state of affairs that we finished seventh and Benitez clearly must take the lion's share of responsibility for it, but there's more to it that a couple of dodgy substitutions and tactical cock ups.

Hodgson's flavour of the month.. he was flavour of the month when he took over at Blackburn Rovers... and what a sterling job he did there.

I look forward to O'Neil's total football and amazing abilty to coax a 7-1 drubbing from Chelsea out of us if he ever got the chance to manage us.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101887#msg1101887 date=1273418948]
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
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I agree with the net spend argument, but it still shows a serious imbalance...

My argument is that we have to buy to sell... When your forced into this, you have to sell your half decent players to earn money to try to buy better players... the economics are not really there...

If H&G had given up money instead of Rafa having to generate it himself, then we'd have a much deeper squad, and that is our problem... no squad depth....
 
[quote author=The_Positive_One link=topic=40155.msg1101929#msg1101929 date=1273420526]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101887#msg1101887 date=1273418948]
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
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I agree with the net spend argument, but it still shows a serious imbalance...

My argument is that we have to buy to sell... When your forced into this, you have to sell your half decent players to earn money to try to buy better players... the economics are not really there...

If H&G had given up money instead of Rafa having to generate it himself, then we'd have a much deeper squad, and that is our problem... no squad depth....
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we may have to sell to buy, but the quality of players villa bought compared to us is the difference. We sold a dependable right back and bought a liability, sold a midfield maestro and bought potential, bought and sold a striker who didn't fit. We haven't bought a solid player for years, while villa have bought milner, carew, downing (who now appears every inch a premier league standard left winger), dunne etc, all of which have had solid seasons and are premier league proven.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101931#msg1101931 date=1273420821]
[quote author=The_Positive_One link=topic=40155.msg1101929#msg1101929 date=1273420526]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101887#msg1101887 date=1273418948]
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
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I agree with the net spend argument, but it still shows a serious imbalance...

My argument is that we have to buy to sell... When your forced into this, you have to sell your half decent players to earn money to try to buy better players... the economics are not really there...

If H&G had given up money instead of Rafa having to generate it himself, then we'd have a much deeper squad, and that is our problem... no squad depth....
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we may have to sell to buy, but the quality of players villa bought compared to us is the difference. We sold a dependable right back and bought a liability, sold a midfield maestro and bought potential, bought and sold a striker who didn't fit. We haven't bought a solid player for years, while villa have bought milner, carew, downing (who now appears every inch a premier league standard left winger), dunne etc, all of which have had solid seasons and are premier league proven.
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and yet are mearly a few points ahead of us despite our worst finish in over a decade
 
I think the negative reaction against this article fails to take into account he is right about lots of things, and particularly, that the media have pecked incessantly at Rafa from day one, and have been wrong about most things. The article goes wrong in saying that Rafa was 'forced' to gamble on Aqua- he wasn't, and he also paid out 17m for a fullback. He was fully conscious that we were entering this season with only one proper senior centre forward in the squad, despite the fact that the player had had injury problems. So whilst this ignores Rafas faults, it does make some good points, and it may well be that we regret letting Rafa go. I certainly wouldn't swap him for MON or Hodgson much as I think it is right he now goes.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101931#msg1101931 date=1273420821]
[quote author=The_Positive_One link=topic=40155.msg1101929#msg1101929 date=1273420526]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101887#msg1101887 date=1273418948]
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
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I agree with the net spend argument, but it still shows a serious imbalance...

My argument is that we have to buy to sell... When your forced into this, you have to sell your half decent players to earn money to try to buy better players... the economics are not really there...

If H&G had given up money instead of Rafa having to generate it himself, then we'd have a much deeper squad, and that is our problem... no squad depth....
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we may have to sell to buy, but the quality of players villa bought compared to us is the difference. We sold a dependable right back and bought a liability, sold a midfield maestro and bought potential, bought and sold a striker who didn't fit. We haven't bought a solid player for years, while villa have bought milner, carew, downing (who now appears every inch a premier league standard left winger), dunne etc, all of which have had solid seasons and are premier league proven.
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There was practically a riot on here when it looked like Benitez was making moves for Milner & Downing.

You know.. posts about how it wouldbe soooo disappointing if they were our primary targets.

Besides... the dependable right back wanted to go, as did the maestro midfielder... and Johnson has hardly been a liability... he's been shit defensively... along with every other defender at the club this season.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40155.msg1101932#msg1101932 date=1273421004]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101931#msg1101931 date=1273420821]
[quote author=The_Positive_One link=topic=40155.msg1101929#msg1101929 date=1273420526]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101887#msg1101887 date=1273418948]
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
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I agree with the net spend argument, but it still shows a serious imbalance...

My argument is that we have to buy to sell... When your forced into this, you have to sell your half decent players to earn money to try to buy better players... the economics are not really there...

If H&G had given up money instead of Rafa having to generate it himself, then we'd have a much deeper squad, and that is our problem... no squad depth....
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we may have to sell to buy, but the quality of players villa bought compared to us is the difference. We sold a dependable right back and bought a liability, sold a midfield maestro and bought potential, bought and sold a striker who didn't fit. We haven't bought a solid player for years, while villa have bought milner, carew, downing (who now appears every inch a premier league standard left winger), dunne etc, all of which have had solid seasons and are premier league proven.
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and yet are mearly a few points ahead of us despite our worst finish in over a decade
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the sad part is we are better. We have better players. Our squad IS better. Yet we've bought players worse than what we sold for more. The fact we had an awful season shows our frailties. When we were against the wall we depended on torres or gerrard. Torres is crocked and gerrard has been woeful. Villa is full of players who should be poor, yet for o'neill are playing well. They are playing above their station, so why is it a slight on o'neill that hes got poor players looking good? Whereas benitez getting good players playing poorly is somehow lauded as a fault of lack of investment?

[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40155.msg1101936#msg1101936 date=1273421221]


There was practically a riot on here when it looked like Benitez was making moves for Milner & Downing.

You know.. posts about how it wouldbe soooo disappointing if they were our primary targets.

Besides... the dependable right back wanted to go, as did the maestro midfielder... and Johnson has hardly been a liability... he's been shit defensively... along with every other defender at the club this season.
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i agree about milner and downing, they did look dodgy last season, yet now they're playing with passion and purpose, and its the manager whos instilled that in them. Whereas our manager pushed away alonso, and looks like he tells our new marauding right back to sit back.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101931#msg1101931 date=1273420821]
[quote author=The_Positive_One link=topic=40155.msg1101929#msg1101929 date=1273420526]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101887#msg1101887 date=1273418948]
I detest the net spend argument. But if we look at the players bought, the amount we have WASTED speaks volumes.
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I agree with the net spend argument, but it still shows a serious imbalance...

My argument is that we have to buy to sell... When your forced into this, you have to sell your half decent players to earn money to try to buy better players... the economics are not really there...

If H&G had given up money instead of Rafa having to generate it himself, then we'd have a much deeper squad, and that is our problem... no squad depth....
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we may have to sell to buy, but the quality of players villa bought compared to us is the difference. We sold a dependable right back and bought a liability, sold a midfield maestro and bought potential, bought and sold a striker who didn't fit. We haven't bought a solid player for years, while villa have bought milner, carew, downing (who now appears every inch a premier league standard left winger), dunne etc, all of which have had solid seasons and are premier league proven.
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GJ is not a liability...
Xabi wanted to go...
Crouch turned down a contract for a better one at pompey...
Bellamy was sold to fund FT...

Of the players mentioned above I would have bought only Milner...
Downing was injured, and is not that good...
Carew has been there since 06, we had Crouch, Bellamy, Kuyt & Fowler that season
We do not need Dunne, with Skrtel, Agger, & Carra (not to mention he cost alot more than the Greek!!!)

and if you add up their costs, then you will see why we got who we have...

Oh, and we probably would have bought another player or 2 had we not have had to service the debt last summer....
 
TBF i wasn't sure when carew arrived so thats me told.

I can understand the arguement for lack of investment, but thats always the point people focus on. We may have had to sell, but no one forced him to buy the players he did, which i class as a worse crime than not getting players we needed
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40155.msg1101935#msg1101935 date=1273421025]
I think the negative reaction against this article fails to take into account he is right about lots of things, and particularly, that the media have pecked incessantly at Rafa from day one, and have been wrong about most things. The article goes wrong in saying that Rafa was 'forced' to gamble on Aqua- he wasn't, and he also paid out 17m for a fullback. He was fully conscious that we were entering this season with only one proper senior centre forward in the squad, despite the fact that the player had had injury problems. So whilst this ignores Rafas faults, it does make some good points, and it may well be that we regret letting Rafa go. I certainly wouldn't swap him for MON or Hodgson much as I think it is right he now goes.
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i think the most perceptive part of the article is the idea that rafa, and the team in general, has been gradually worn down by the poisonous atmosphere created by the ownership problems. because it's impossible to prove there's no point raising it on here, because the benitez haters would laugh it off, but i think it's a very real problem. there's no doubt in my mind that he's been working under horrible conditions, and equally that they were bound to take their toll in the end.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101951#msg1101951 date=1273421847]
TBF i wasn't sure when carew arrived so thats me told.

I can understand the arguement for lack of investment, but thats always the point people focus on. We may have had to sell, but no one forced him to buy the players he did, which i class as a worse crime than not getting players we needed
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The lack of finances have forced his buys... He has tried to buy the best he can with the money he has had, and when your trying to fill several holes, you have to be thrifty....

If say in 07, he was given say 20 mil plus money from sales then his buys would have been different, but when your given say 4 mil plus sales, then your options are severely limited...

Not to mention you can only sell the players that are actually performing...

Do you honestly think that Voronin & Degen were actually players Rafa wanted??? No, he was forced into them because they were free, and he felt he needed to put the little bit of money he had elsewhere in the team...
 
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[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40155.msg1101951#msg1101951 date=1273421847]
TBF i wasn't sure when carew arrived so thats me told.

I can understand the arguement for lack of investment, but thats always the point people focus on. We may have had to sell, but no one forced him to buy the players he did, which i class as a worse crime than not getting players we needed
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The lack of finances have forced his buys... He has tried to buy the best he can with the money he has had, and when your trying to fill several holes, you have to be thrifty....

If say in 07, he was given say 20 mil plus money from sales then his buys would have been different, but when your given say 4 mil plus sales, then your options are severely limited...

Not to mention you can only sell the players that are actually performing...

Do you honestly think that Voronin & Degen were actually players Rafa wanted??? No, he was forced into them because they were free, and he felt he needed to put the little bit of money he had elsewhere in the team...
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i'm saying in recent windows he's been poor, wasting lots of money on poor players. I wouldn't trust him with investment after them. Keane, 20 mil wasted, a luxury player like johnson when we could've have bought niko kranjcar for 1.5 mill and another right back for 5 mil. Leaving 10 mil to spend on a back up striker. There is a lack of logic in some purchases which i begrudge. i realise he gets little help from the board, however blaming them when hes needlessly bought some players is the issue.

btw i want the owners gone as much as i want benitez gone, however sayin its the owners fault entirely is the issue i have
 
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