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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40510.msg1118852#msg1118852 date=1276420489]
It took precisely 4 minutes for me to realise I could never be pissed off with stevie doing well for England.
I was so proud of him yesterday. Liverpools captain, captain of the whole country. And how he wore it with pride. Flying into challenges, geeing up his team mates, organising, consoling and a great goal.
His words after the game were superb and mature too.
Yesterday reminded me of gelsenkerchen when Liverpool beat Germany 1-5, Gerrard, Heskey and Johnson were our best players last night.
Anyhow. Gerrard was epic. Regardless of wether you care about England, he does, and how could you not want our captain and arguably best player ever to fulfill his dream.
Go on Stevie lad, keep er lit!
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Bang on Oncy. Heskey was excellent, but there's always the overriding factor regards his goal threat, but anyway, he was pivotal to everything we did well.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40510.msg1115258#msg1115258 date=1275942013]
I'm not gonna be angry.

He's given EVERYTHING in his soul & heart on the pitch for this club for year after year after year, & been surrounded by shite 99% of the time, & had his dreams dashed time & again. He cant realistically expect to win the league with us yet just last summer pledged his lifetime loyalty.

Keeping something in the locker 7 not risking burning out before his last World cup is understandable looked at that way.
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40510.msg1118896#msg1118896 date=1276429787]
Only a thick cunt wouldn't be happy for Stevie G to have a superb WC.

He was great yesterday.
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He was superb. Pity the same cant be said for those playing with him.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40510.msg1118900#msg1118900 date=1276432101]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40510.msg1118896#msg1118896 date=1276429787]
Only a thick cunt wouldn't be happy for Stevie G to have a superb WC.

He was great yesterday.
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He was superb. Pity the same cant be said for those playing with him.
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Johnson and Heskey did well. Once again Lampard and Terry flatter to deceive.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40510.msg1115691#msg1115691 date=1276011911]
You can't believe anything about Marca. They are shameless lying cunts.
I'll give you an example of the shit they pull.
They notoriously hate and slated Higuain all last year and were very pro Benzema when he came. When benzema failed and higuain came back in and started scoring loads they ran a poll on their website for fans to vote who should be leading the line with the options being Higuain, Benzema, Raul, Ronaldo and a youth who's name escapes me. Higuain unsuprisingly came top but with something like 40% of the vote, so rather than running the details of the poll In their shitrag the next day (because it evidenced something they didn't want) they simply ran with the headline 'when polled over 60% of Madrid fans said they didn't want higuain leading the line' or words to that effect.
They're dicks.
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In fairness, that's not lying, it's just manipulating the truth to fit their own agenda. All newspapers do that.
 
I was flicking through the Sunday Express and saw that their match ratings made Johnson and Gerrard the worst players. Lampard got a 7/10 "Mr Dependable" as did a few others, whilst Heskey got 8/10 and Gerrard and Johnson got 6/10. Now I may have been off my mash, but I thought Gerrard was by far our best player. What gives?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40510.msg1118966#msg1118966 date=1276444351]
I was flicking through the Sunday Express and saw that their match ratings made Johnson and Gerrard the worst players. Lampard got a 7/10 "Mr Dependable" as did a few others, whilst Heskey got 8/10 and Gerrard and Johnson got 6/10. Now I may have been off my mash, but I thought Gerrard was by far our best player. What gives?
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The reviewer is;

A) A Fuck-wit

B) A Chelsea fan

C) All of the above
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40510.msg1118966#msg1118966 date=1276444351]
I was flicking through the Sunday Express and saw that their match ratings made Johnson and Gerrard the worst players. Lampard got a 7/10 "Mr Dependable" as did a few others, whilst Heskey got 8/10 and Gerrard and Johnson got 6/10. Now I may have been off my mash, but I thought Gerrard was by far our best player. What gives?
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I saw one on the BBC that seemed pretty accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/06/capellos_big_calls_backfire.html
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=40510.msg1118967#msg1118967 date=1276444532]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40510.msg1118966#msg1118966 date=1276444351]
I was flicking through the Sunday Express and saw that their match ratings made Johnson and Gerrard the worst players. Lampard got a 7/10 "Mr Dependable" as did a few others, whilst Heskey got 8/10 and Gerrard and Johnson got 6/10. Now I may have been off my mash, but I thought Gerrard was by far our best player. What gives?
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The reviewer is;

A) A Fuck-wit

B) A Chelsea fan

C) All of the above


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D) Blind
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40510.msg1115258#msg1115258 date=1275942013]

He's given EVERYTHING in his soul & heart on the pitch for this club for year after year after year, & been surrounded by shite 99% of the time, & had his dreams dashed time & again. He cant realistically expect to win the league with us yet just last summer pledged his lifetime loyalty.

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This.

X 1,000,000.

+ 2.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=40510.msg1118979#msg1118979 date=1276446334]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40510.msg1118966#msg1118966 date=1276444351]
I was flicking through the Sunday Express and saw that their match ratings made Johnson and Gerrard the worst players. Lampard got a 7/10 "Mr Dependable" as did a few others, whilst Heskey got 8/10 and Gerrard and Johnson got 6/10. Now I may have been off my mash, but I thought Gerrard was by far our best player. What gives?
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I saw one on the BBC that seemed pretty accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/06/capellos_big_calls_backfire.html
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Mostly, though Magic did nothing to deserve that snipe at his defending. The media are like dogs with a f'cking bone over that.
 
I was of the opinion that Gerrard stayed behind Lampard for the majority of the game. It appeared like Gerrard was near the halfway line for a majority of the time. Actually, i thought, considering the deep role he played, he was not that good at distributing play ala Alonso. But every one else in the media seems to think Lampard was covering Gerrard.

Is there any way to conclusively prove one way or another? I would love to know....

My verdict is this.

Gerrard was more effective when he went forward. But he was playing too deep for the majority of the game. He was good at tackling and breaking up play, but poor at distributing play. Too much stuff bypassed the midfield.

Lampard played like he was not sure what his role was. He was at times adding to the numbers going forward, but he was very ineffective. If he indeed was playing the deeper role as people seem to think, he was not any more effective distributing the play either. But they both did reasonably well at winning the balls.
 
Henry Winter: Steven Gerrard heroics are all in vain

Only one English lion looked like he belonged in Africa. Only Steven Gerrard really rose to the occasion of an opening World Cup game, scoring for England and driving his team on but too many of his team-mates faltered on the highveldt last night. The captain led by example but sadly nobody followed.


By Henry Winter
Published: 11:42PM BST 12 Jun 2010
Henry's Twitter | Henry's fantasy team
21 Comments

Leading the way: England's lionheart captain celebrates his goal against Serbia but his efforts were ultimately all in vain as Fabio Capello's team were held to a draw Photo: AFP
Even Wayne Rooney was off the pace, sparking into life only when Gerrard moved near. The pair are friends off the pitch, on the same wavelength on it and England’s manager, Fabio Capello, must restructure his side to ensure they are closer together. The likelihood is that Gerrard may be shifted back to left midfield to accommodate Gareth Barry in central midfield against Algeria in Cape Town on Friday.
However Capello reconfigures the team this week, he must instil Gerrard’s attitude in the rest of the side. The Merseysider was everywhere, engaging in what the US coach Bob Bradley called a “big, hard battle’’ in midfield, and breaking forward.

Unfortunately in the second half, Gerrard dropped deeper and deeper as England became more desperate, retreating into the dark ages with some of their Route One football: all 4-4-2 predictability, all long balls meat and drink to the excellent Oguchi Onyewu, all pointless.
Capello talked afterwards of the “spirit of England’’ but that really only suffused his No4. Gerrard’s focus had been unmistakable in the tunnel, the England captain ignoring his American counterpart Carlos Bocanegra, breaking his concentration only to shake hands with the passing subs with their purple Fifa bibs. In dressing-room parlance, Gerrard was “up’’ for this. Pity more of his team-mates weren’t.
Gerrard had known the eyes of the nation were upon him, that there were those who questioned his right to be considered one of the world’s best. Determined to channel all his energies into the tournament, avoiding the distractions that scarred Euro 2004 and the 2006 World Cup, he had studiously forbidden any discussion of his future.
Yet that composed finish after four minutes showed why Real Madrid crave his signature, why Jose Mourinho hopes to make it third time lucky in attempting to work with Gerrard. Uprooting from his native Merseyside would be a major decision for Gerrard but the offer from the Bernabeu will surely come, particularly if he continues to replicate his vibrant first-half form.
It was not simply the assured way he controlled the lay-off from Emile Heskey, guiding the ball into a prime shooting position, that so impressed.
It was not only the way Gerrard used the outside of his right boot to flick the ball so accurately past Tim Howard, Liverpool beating Everton, that caught the eye.
It was the intelligence of the run, the realisation that gaps were opening through the middle as the US struggled to regroup when Glen Johnson took a quick throw-in and Frank Lampard helped the ball on to Heskey. It was the energy, too, the stamina and speed to drive forward, keeping ahead of Ricardo Clark, who simply could not live with Gerrard’s surge.
England’s captain said he would lead by example and he was true to his word. Shortly after sliding on his knees across the pitch in celebration, Gerrard was tracking back, sliding in to nick the ball away from the flying feet of Robbie Findley.
On his 81st international appearance, Gerrard was ubiquity personified, one moment putting in a thumping tackle on Clint Dempsey, the sandy soil flicking up into the air, and the next skilfully turning Jay DeMerit. He was such a force between the areas, dropping deep to make himself available for a pass from John Terry, who was under pressure and looking to offload quickly.
Gerrard had talked about the way England could progress at the World Cup, about using “our power and strength, the things that teams fear about us’’, and the 30 year-old embodies that. Going into this competition, the reflective Merseysider has sought inspiration from a range of sources, from watching DVDs of Lions rugby tours to South Africa and footage of sprint champion Usain Bolt, hoping that England could be equally quick out of the blocks. So it proved.
Gerrard will always have Istanbul, and Cardiff, with Liverpool but internationally he has been waiting to seize the day. He was not helped here by Capello getting his three major calls wrong: James Milner had not recovered sufficiently from his virus, Ledley King’s injury record meant it was little surprise when his adductor muscle went and Robert Green looked a bag of nerves.
After Green’s moment of horror, the keeper too deep in his starting position, and paying the price of not being able to recover a fumble, Gerrard sought to stir dispirited players, turning individuals back into a cohesive force again.
For all Gerrard’s exhortations, England looked listless. The captain was even booked for foot up on Dempsey. Still he refused to hide, still he showed for the ball, creating from the deep, and urging the subdued Lampard forward.
When Glen Johnson cut his lip, having to leave the field for some attention, Gerrard slotted in at full-back. All very team-minded, but Capello needs to construct a platform that consistently serves his captain.
Gerrard cannot be in two places at once. Yet he almost forced a breakthrough with a series of crosses, to Rooney and Heskey. Such was Gerrard’s enduring threat that Findley caught him nastily on the ankle. Stop Gerrard, stop England.
 
Leading the way: England's lionheart captain celebrates his goal against Serbia but his efforts were ultimately all in vain as Fabio Capello's team were held to a draw Photo: AFP

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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40510.msg1119454#msg1119454 date=1276509348]
Henry Winter: Steven Gerrard heroics are all in vain

Only one English lion looked like he belonged in Africa. Only Steven Gerrard really rose to the occasion of an opening World Cup game, scoring for England and driving his team on but too many of his team-mates faltered on the highveldt last night. The captain led by example but sadly nobody followed.


By Henry Winter
Published: 11:42PM BST 12 Jun 2010
Henry's Twitter | Henry's fantasy team
21 Comments

Leading the way: England's lionheart captain celebrates his goal against Serbia but his efforts were ultimately all in vain as Fabio Capello's team were held to a draw Photo: AFP
Even Wayne Rooney was off the pace, sparking into life only when Gerrard moved near. The pair are friends off the pitch, on the same wavelength on it and England’s manager, Fabio Capello, must restructure his side to ensure they are closer together. The likelihood is that Gerrard may be shifted back to left midfield to accommodate Gareth Barry in central midfield against Algeria in Cape Town on Friday.
However Capello reconfigures the team this week, he must instil Gerrard’s attitude in the rest of the side. The Merseysider was everywhere, engaging in what the US coach Bob Bradley called a “big, hard battle’’ in midfield, and breaking forward.

Unfortunately in the second half, Gerrard dropped deeper and deeper as England became more desperate, retreating into the dark ages with some of their Route One football: all 4-4-2 predictability, all long balls meat and drink to the excellent Oguchi Onyewu, all pointless.
Capello talked afterwards of the “spirit of England’’ but that really only suffused his No4. Gerrard’s focus had been unmistakable in the tunnel, the England captain ignoring his American counterpart Carlos Bocanegra, breaking his concentration only to shake hands with the passing subs with their purple Fifa bibs. In dressing-room parlance, Gerrard was “up’’ for this. Pity more of his team-mates weren’t.
Gerrard had known the eyes of the nation were upon him, that there were those who questioned his right to be considered one of the world’s best. Determined to channel all his energies into the tournament, avoiding the distractions that scarred Euro 2004 and the 2006 World Cup, he had studiously forbidden any discussion of his future.
Yet that composed finish after four minutes showed why Real Madrid crave his signature, why Jose Mourinho hopes to make it third time lucky in attempting to work with Gerrard. Uprooting from his native Merseyside would be a major decision for Gerrard but the offer from the Bernabeu will surely come, particularly if he continues to replicate his vibrant first-half form.
It was not simply the assured way he controlled the lay-off from Emile Heskey, guiding the ball into a prime shooting position, that so impressed.
It was not only the way Gerrard used the outside of his right boot to flick the ball so accurately past Tim Howard, Liverpool beating Everton, that caught the eye.
It was the intelligence of the run, the realisation that gaps were opening through the middle as the US struggled to regroup when Glen Johnson took a quick throw-in and Frank Lampard helped the ball on to Heskey. It was the energy, too, the stamina and speed to drive forward, keeping ahead of Ricardo Clark, who simply could not live with Gerrard’s surge.
England’s captain said he would lead by example and he was true to his word. Shortly after sliding on his knees across the pitch in celebration, Gerrard was tracking back, sliding in to nick the ball away from the flying feet of Robbie Findley.
On his 81st international appearance, Gerrard was ubiquity personified, one moment putting in a thumping tackle on Clint Dempsey, the sandy soil flicking up into the air, and the next skilfully turning Jay DeMerit. He was such a force between the areas, dropping deep to make himself available for a pass from John Terry, who was under pressure and looking to offload quickly.
Gerrard had talked about the way England could progress at the World Cup, about using “our power and strength, the things that teams fear about us’’, and the 30 year-old embodies that. Going into this competition, the reflective Merseysider has sought inspiration from a range of sources, from watching DVDs of Lions rugby tours to South Africa and footage of sprint champion Usain Bolt, hoping that England could be equally quick out of the blocks. So it proved.
Gerrard will always have Istanbul, and Cardiff, with Liverpool but internationally he has been waiting to seize the day. He was not helped here by Capello getting his three major calls wrong: James Milner had not recovered sufficiently from his virus, Ledley King’s injury record meant it was little surprise when his adductor muscle went and Robert Green looked a bag of nerves.
After Green’s moment of horror, the keeper too deep in his starting position, and paying the price of not being able to recover a fumble, Gerrard sought to stir dispirited players, turning individuals back into a cohesive force again.
For all Gerrard’s exhortations, England looked listless. The captain was even booked for foot up on Dempsey. Still he refused to hide, still he showed for the ball, creating from the deep, and urging the subdued Lampard forward.
When Glen Johnson cut his lip, having to leave the field for some attention, Gerrard slotted in at full-back. All very team-minded, but Capello needs to construct a platform that consistently serves his captain.
Gerrard cannot be in two places at once. Yet he almost forced a breakthrough with a series of crosses, to Rooney and Heskey. Such was Gerrard’s enduring threat that Findley caught him nastily on the ankle. Stop Gerrard, stop England.



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Aaaah yes, Henry Winter, author of 'Steven Gerrard: The Autobiography' with his entirely unbiased view.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40510.msg1119454#msg1119454 date=1276509348]
Going into this competition, the reflective Merseysider has sought inspiration from a range of sources, from watching DVDs of Lions rugby tours to South Africa and footage of sprint champion Usain Bolt, hoping that England could be equally quick out of the blocks.
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Ugh. "Reflective"?
 
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