If I was us I'd wear the ban now

[Woland]

He's only going to miss one tough league game (Citeh) 2 cup games and 5 crappy league games (starting tonight with Wigan) against the likes of Bolton and Stoke.

If we appeal he'll probably end up missing later rounds of the FA Cup and tough games against Manure and other rivals for 4th spot.

Send him back to Uruguay for a month, he'll be stating again on the 25th for the 2nd leg of the semi at Anfield against Citeh.

 

[doctor_mac]

But accepting the ban now means the club accepts the verdict. We can't do that, certainly not after yesterday's statement.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

It's all well and good doing what ever will suit us, but we have to think about what Suarez wants. If he doesn't appeal he'll be labelled, right or wrongly, as a racist for the rest of his career.

That said, I don't think an appeal will change anything, the FA have spent too long over this for them to actually change their verdict.

 

[Woland]

I know, I'm just saying what I'd do. I know my opinion means nothing, I just thought I'd share it anyways.

If appealed he'll miss the CC Final if we get there, the next rounds of the FA Cup against much more difficult opposition, and games against Manure, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton all pile on top of each other in Feb.

If we take it now he's out for a month and misses some easy games. Basically it's as if he twanged his knee. Send him home for Christmas with his mum and it's all done.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

I want this over and done with but i can't help but think that we need to fight this all the way.

We need to back Suarez here, it's his reputation thats on the line after all.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48012.msg1448687#msg1448687 date=1324462458]
I want this over and done with but i can't help but think that we need to fight this all the way.

We need to back Suarez here, it's his reputation thats on the line after all.
[/quote]

Exactly

 

[spider-Neil]

it isn't about liverpool it's about the player whose reputation is now in tatters, if we don't believe the verdict then we have to fight it. forget the games he misses that the reason we have a squad. for my own piece of mind I need liverpool to fight this because I can't support a player banned for racism.

 

[Judge Jules]

It's about both player AND club IMO. I can see the practical argument for accepting yesterday's outcome, and I would normally take a pragmatic line on such things, but this is too important for that. It will also do us more lasting damage to leave things as they are, as it will hasten Luis' departure from the club AND establish once and for all that Ferguson can do and say what he likes. Enough is enough. We have to fight this for the player's sake and our own.

 

[Asbo]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48012.msg1448694#msg1448694 date=1324462664]
it isn't about liverpool it's about the player whose reputation is now in tatters, if we don't believe the verdict then we have to fight it. forget the games he misses that the reason we have a squad. for my own piece of mind I need liverpool to fight this because I can't support a player banned for racism.
[/quote]

How is he banned for Racism, when the FA's opening statement says 'He is not Racist' ?

 

[Y1]

No way we can accept this lying down to Fergie and his ilks. Fight to the very bitter end, to the court of appeal or whatever is the highest court in the land. :

We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France FA Office, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island player, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

"Never, never, never give up"

 

[LadyRed]

We've gotta appeal it, for several reasons

- shows Suraez the club is behind him
- shows to everyone, most importantly our own fans, that we refute he's racist
- there are so many inconsistencies in what's being said; we have to challenge it
- there's a good chance the ban will be reduced, they often are

 

[jan]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48012.msg1448694#msg1448694 date=1324462664]
it isn't about liverpool it's about the player whose reputation is now in tatters, if we don't believe the verdict then we have to fight it. forget the games he misses that the reason we have a squad. for my own piece of mind I need liverpool to fight this because I can't support a player banned for racism.
[/quote]

So you let the FA determine your opinion on him?

 

[Woland]

Sometimes it's better to accept and move on rather than fight a losing battle and look like a twat.

It's his own fault for admitting it.

The only positive to come out of this is that I now call my missus Negrita for the lulz.

 

[kingjulian]

Yep..we should turn around and drop our trousers, so the FA can repeatedly fuck us up the arse...

 

[KopPoNok]

Will he get additional ban for the middle finger gesture?

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=48012.msg1448720#msg1448720 date=1324463521]
Will he get additional ban for the middle finger gesture?
[/quote]

Probably.

And I couldn't agree more with Krump. It's best for the club if Suarez accepts the ban now and we get it over and done with. It will only end up being three weeks out or so. It won't happen though.

 

[KopPoNok]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48012.msg1448770#msg1448770 date=1324466194]
[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=48012.msg1448720#msg1448720 date=1324463521]
Will he get additional ban for the middle finger gesture?
[/quote]

Probably.

And I couldn't agree more with Krump. It's best for the club if Suarez accepts the ban now and we get it over and done with. It will only end up being three weeks out or so. It won't happen though.
[/quote]

If he is to get an additonal ban for the middle finger jesture, we might as well appeal for this, as he might easily get an additional 3-5 matches ban for the middle finger.

 

[i_rushie]

Without knowing the evidence presented to the FA, you would all risk an appeal to the highest courts in the land, while exposing Suarez to real world penalties under the Race Relations Act?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48012.msg1448776#msg1448776 date=1324467032]
Without knowing the evidence presented to the FA, you would all risk an appeal to the highest courts in the land, while exposing Suarez to real world penalties under the Race Relations Act?
[/quote]

From the statement we gave, we believe him to be innocent, so yes I expect us to try and clear his name. I don't think we'll be successful though.

 

[Squiggles]

Kenny will back Suarez through thick and thin. There will definitely be an appeal.

 

[BoysPen]

As I understand it -

1 Evra alleged on French TV that Suaraez called him the n words on at least 10 occasions - this is uncorroborrated by referee, linesman or any player of either side and this was not picked up by any of the media mics at the ground
2 Suarez statement said that he called Evra 'negreto' in a non-racist manner
3 (According to LFC statement) Evra admitted to making an insult to Suarez based on his (Suarez) nationality

There are more holes in this case than a Swiss cheese (oh, gosh, I hope I've not been racist there!) in a criminal court the burden of proof is 'beyond reasonable doubt' in a civil court the burden is lighter 'on the balance of probabilities' - let's take the second definition

1 Evra's claims were unsubstantiated - how probable is it that Suarez could have uttered such a wrong and inflammatory word 10 times and yet been undetected? How probable is it that Evra would have not immediately raised the issue with the referee? How probable is it that no audible evidence exists of Suarez saying this word and that there is no visual evidence of him having done so?
2 The offence of racial abuse demands intent - it is not possible to be guilty of such an offence if you genuinely believed you were not being racist
3 If Suarez was charged on the basis of his statement, then the same should go for Evra

I gather (from LFC's statement) the FA panel has refused to consider other matters from the game in question - on the one hand I can see the logic in this, but I was at the game and it is such a shame they were not able to see the Evra's antics from minute one and the fact that he clearly and undeniably simulated a foul and feigned injury - fooling ref and linesman - in an attempt to get Suarez punished. (Even without considering his past 'form', therefore, was Evra a reliable witness?

I have no idea whether Suarez is guilty as charged - I do believe that on this 'evidence' a court of law would not have found him so, and if I was him I would issue a statement - stating that he refused to accept the ruling of FA on a matter so vital to his being and insist instead that the police be called in and the matter be referred to Department of Public Prosecutions with a view to prosecution under Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

Under British law it is simply not possible for FA to make a ruling on a criminal matter

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48012.msg1448776#msg1448776 date=1324467032]
Without knowing the evidence presented to the FA, you would all risk an appeal to the highest courts in the land, while exposing Suarez to real world penalties under the Race Relations Act?
[/quote]

How so?

And if those who presented that evidence are advised that they have a good chance of succeeding, my answer to the question is a very definite "yes".

 

[Woland]

I'm not really arsed about his reputational damage, I'm arsed about which fixtures the bitey little dipshit will miss.

 

[Judge Jules]

Not even @rsed about the possible effect of such damage on his level of performance and hence on any sell-on fee?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48012.msg1448798#msg1448798 date=1324468844]
Not even @rsed about the possible effect of such damage on his level of performance and hence on any sell-on fee?
[/quote]

Or Suarez the person.

 

[Judge Jules]

I rather got the impression that Woland's less than exercised about that.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48012.msg1448804#msg1448804 date=1324468967]
I rather got the impression that Woland's less than exercised about that.
[/quote]

I know.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Can we accept the ban (to show we don't care about it) but fight the verdict and many issues with how the ruling seemingly played out ?

 

[Judge Jules]

I don't see how. Accepting the ban is accepting the process which led to its imposition.

 

[i_rushie]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48012.msg1448791#msg1448791 date=1324468565]
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48012.msg1448776#msg1448776 date=1324467032]
Without knowing the evidence presented to the FA, you would all risk an appeal to the highest courts in the land, while exposing Suarez to real world penalties under the Race Relations Act?
[/quote]

How so?

And if those who presented that evidence are advised that they have a good chance of succeeding, my answer to the question is a very definite "yes".
[/quote]

That's fair enough, and it's admirable to keep defending what you believe to be truly right. I've had clients plead guilty in spite of their innocence (or so, they say) to get a matter over with quickly but come to regret it deeply over the years and resent the injustice. I've also had clients engage in protracted battles to "clear their name", ignoring all collateral costs.